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blazeKing

(329 posts)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:59 PM Oct 2012

538's Nate Silver starting to attract more and more Republican hate

Now Drudge is in on it! How dare Nate ruin the Faux Romney momentum!!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/10/nate-silver-romney-clearly-could-still-win-147618.html

""If you tell me you think you can quantify an event that is about to happen that you don`t expect, like the 47 percent comment or a debate performance, I think you think you are a wizard. That`s not possible," Times columnist David Brooks, a moderate conservative, said on PBS earlier this month. "The pollsters tell us what`s happening now. When they start projecting, they`re getting into silly land."

Brooks doubled down on this charge in a column last week: "I should treat polls as a fuzzy snapshot of a moment in time. I should not read them, and think I understand the future," he wrote. "If there’s one thing we know, it’s that even experts with fancy computer models are terrible at predicting human behavior."

On MSNBC's "Morning Joe" today, Joe Scarborough took a more direct shot, effectively calling Silver an ideologue and "a joke."

"Nate Silver says this is a 73.6 percent chance that the president is going to win? Nobody in that campaign thinks they have a 73 percent chance — they think they have a 50.1 percent chance of winning. And you talk to the Romney people, it's the same thing," Scarborough said. "Both sides understand that it is close, and it could go either way. And anybody that thinks that this race is anything but a tossup right now is such an ideologue, they should be kept away from typewriters, computers, laptops and microphones for the next 10 days, because they're jokes.""


Then there were the bigoted attacks by the delusional unskewed polls guy. Clearly he's near the top of their hate list.

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538's Nate Silver starting to attract more and more Republican hate (Original Post) blazeKing Oct 2012 OP
idiots kevink077 Oct 2012 #1
Of course it is possible Demsrule86 Oct 2012 #28
Nate will need to go into hiding after Obama wins at this rate flamingdem Oct 2012 #2
Mentally send Nate good vibes.. He knows it come with the territory Thekaspervote Oct 2012 #3
Nates latest tweet.. BraKez2 Oct 2012 #4
that is awesome! Joe and the rest must've had to drop out of statistics Coexist Oct 2012 #6
What's so hard about a multiple regression? Marmitist Oct 2012 #22
You forgot Welsh! Try doing calculus in Welsh sign language. blue-kite Oct 2012 #27
Rassmussen and Gallup show Sandy landfall in Boston!!!!! blazeKing Oct 2012 #10
Haa ha ha Glamrock Oct 2012 #14
Or Glamrock Oct 2012 #15
Romney has no momentum and is behind Demsrule86 Oct 2012 #29
If they think it's 50.1 abumbyanyothername Oct 2012 #5
Right wing pundits have been beating up octoberlib Oct 2012 #7
Nothing Would Make Me More Proud.... SingleSeatBiggerMeat Oct 2012 #8
All I Know Is... BlueDemKev Oct 2012 #9
It's not just Nate Silver. Jim Lane Oct 2012 #26
Nothing captures the Republican disdain for science more than the excoriation of Nate Silver RomneyLies Oct 2012 #11
LOL jonpaulprime Oct 2012 #31
Poor Nate meadowlark5 Oct 2012 #12
But Silver is in an excellent position . . . MrModerate Oct 2012 #20
Must be marching orders from on high! ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2012 #13
They're trying to rough up the ref RomneyLies Oct 2012 #17
effing idiots texasleo Oct 2012 #16
Both simple math (like subtracting one number from 5 trillion) . . . MrModerate Oct 2012 #18
I don't know if it's been posted here yet, but TroyD Oct 2012 #19
Wasn't that written by some fat slob? Alekei_Firebird Oct 2012 #21
Nate's numbers are the product of statistical, scientific analysis, and Repugs can't stand it. reformist2 Oct 2012 #23
This election will validate Nate in ways never seen before from a person in his position DHelix Oct 2012 #24
My advice to Nate: avoid small planes n/t ailsagirl Oct 2012 #25
I needed to see this. jonpaulprime Oct 2012 #30
"We hate arithmetic, and I hate people who can do arithmetic!" struggle4progress Oct 2012 #32
I know he was relatively unknown in 2008 (in political forecasting, not as a statistician in other FVZA_Colonel Oct 2012 #33
Its all bluster. apnu Oct 2012 #34
I LOVE this Stuckinthebush Oct 2012 #35
Poor guy gets it from both sides Egnever Oct 2012 #36

kevink077

(491 posts)
1. idiots
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:02 PM
Oct 2012

These idiots should look at Intrade. Gamblers are probably the most accurate as they only care about the money. Obama has over 60 percent.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
28. Of course it is possible
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 06:58 AM
Oct 2012

Using mathematical formulas you cand predict all sorts of things...I guess these GOP idiots never took a statistics course. How do they suppose the Wall Street wizards had all those gambling programs ...math folks wrote them!

flamingdem

(40,891 posts)
2. Nate will need to go into hiding after Obama wins at this rate
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:03 PM
Oct 2012

It's serious, these a-hole repukes are capable of anything

Thekaspervote

(35,820 posts)
3. Mentally send Nate good vibes.. He knows it come with the territory
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:04 PM
Oct 2012

Let's hope he can take the heat. He's right, they know it and CAN'T stand it!!!

BraKez2

(279 posts)
4. Nates latest tweet..
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:05 PM
Oct 2012

"I can't believe meteorologist used science and math to predict this storm. They must be magic wizards or something" you know who he was aiming that tweet at..

Coexist

(26,202 posts)
6. that is awesome! Joe and the rest must've had to drop out of statistics
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:07 PM
Oct 2012

because it was too hard. Like most non-math majors do.

 

Marmitist

(64 posts)
22. What's so hard about a multiple regression?
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:50 PM
Oct 2012

Or an ANOVA, or any other statistical analysis technique?

Fuck, that's not hard. What's hard is Differential Calculus, translated into the original Sanskrit!

 

blazeKing

(329 posts)
10. Rassmussen and Gallup show Sandy landfall in Boston!!!!!
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:18 PM
Oct 2012

How dare the other polls show Southern New Jersey!! They must be liberals!

Glamrock

(12,003 posts)
14. Haa ha ha
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:25 PM
Oct 2012

Yeah! Fuck David Brooks! That a-hole is right about as often as Bill Kristol.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
29. Romney has no momentum and is behind
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 07:02 AM
Oct 2012

NO way Romney has a 50 /50 chance of winning. Scarborough is an idiot...many think the so called Romney momentum is BS..and that Romney is behind and knows it...the stupid remark he made here in Ohio about the storm is not playing well either...because in fact we do have Sandy here in Northern Ohio...our lights were off all last night...just came back on...saw the Clinton...the big dog and Biden yesterday in Youngstown...they were both great...place was packed and it was raining and very windy. Going canvassing tonight...went Sunday and got some votes to the poll...my family voted on Friday.

abumbyanyothername

(2,711 posts)
5. If they think it's 50.1
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:06 PM
Oct 2012

then they should use their UK or Cayman Islands bank accounts to bet at the punters and get 2:1 on their money.

And I would challenge them all, I will take unlimited action straight up on this election. Because I can just print money, by hedging with the books.

8. Nothing Would Make Me More Proud....
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:13 PM
Oct 2012

Than to be ridiculed by complete losers like Drudge and that MSNBC frat-boy guy.

BlueDemKev

(3,003 posts)
9. All I Know Is...
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:15 PM
Oct 2012

...Nate had better be RIGHT. His findings have been the only thing that has kept me sane over this last month.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
26. It's not just Nate Silver.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 04:54 AM
Oct 2012

Most of the nonpartisan poll aggregators have been reporting the same conclusion ever since Romney clinched the nomination. Each site has its own formula for choosing the polls for inclusion (and, in some instances, weighting them) but they've generally been showing Obama with 270+ electoral votes.

This comment is prompted by your remark, "His findings have been the only thing that has kept me sane over this last month." You're the flip side of the Republicans for whom, apparently, Silver's findings have been the only thing that has bothered them over this last month. I don't understand why they're so hot under the collar about Silver, to the exclusion of the other analysts who reach the same conclusion.

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
11. Nothing captures the Republican disdain for science more than the excoriation of Nate Silver
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:20 PM
Oct 2012

They cannot understand the concepts of statistics, ergo, Silver must be put to the stake and burned alive for his wizardry.

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
12. Poor Nate
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:21 PM
Oct 2012

It's like the repuke's mission to intimidate and destroy people. Can't win, can't influence on merit, honor and good ideas, so they have to bully and hurt people that have different ideas and views. These kind of people are vile and suck shit.

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
20. But Silver is in an excellent position . . .
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:33 PM
Oct 2012

To tell them to go pound sand. As a representative of the reality-based community, he always starts three steps ahead of cloud-cuckooland dwellers.

ProudProgressiveNow

(6,189 posts)
13. Must be marching orders from on high!
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:23 PM
Oct 2012

The republics always coordinate their messages. It will be a recurring them throughout the echo chamber.

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
17. They're trying to rough up the ref
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:27 PM
Oct 2012

Nate is a statistician. He will not alter his model to suit their bullshit.

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
18. Both simple math (like subtracting one number from 5 trillion) . . .
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:31 PM
Oct 2012

And complex math — such as statistical analysis — seem to be beyond the righties' comprehension.

Statisticians make data-driven predictions all the time. The whole world's technical infrastructure depends on it every moment of every day.

Morons.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
19. I don't know if it's been posted here yet, but
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:32 PM
Oct 2012

A couple days ago Nate was gay-bashed by a right-wing political site (The Examiner?) that said his projections were not to be trusted because he was effeminate-looking etc.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
23. Nate's numbers are the product of statistical, scientific analysis, and Repugs can't stand it.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:00 PM
Oct 2012

What's so ridic is that intrade is already showing the odds 2:1 for Obama anyway. All Nate is doing is showing that the polls actually indicate it's more like 3:1.

DHelix

(89 posts)
24. This election will validate Nate in ways never seen before from a person in his position
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:29 PM
Oct 2012

After November 6th, especially if he's very close with each state prediction and the total EVs, Nate will immediately become the go-to guy for all future elections like nobody ever seen before. There will be HUGE money thrown at him from big networks. He'll be a bit like a nerdier John King with a touch screen setup and a huge salary if ever he wants it.

I hope he earns as much money as he wants but let's just hope he never sells out his process after this and alters his projections to make things seem closer and less dramatic and accurate in the future. I look at the Princeton system and wonder if he's already being somewhat apprehensive with his numbers where perhaps they are not.

He seems like a guy who really loves numbers and political science so I think we'll be fine and he'll be around for a long time. It will suck someday to see his numbers (like 2010) during a big Presidential Election all but guaranteeing that the candidate we like is going to lose but math is math so when that happens we'll just have to accept it and hope that something changes the direction.

 

FVZA_Colonel

(4,096 posts)
33. I know he was relatively unknown in 2008 (in political forecasting, not as a statistician in other
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:20 AM
Oct 2012

matters), but did he get anywhere near this kind of hate before?

apnu

(8,790 posts)
34. Its all bluster.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:38 AM
Oct 2012

I said last week, loudly, in my office (trader types 90% Republican) that Obama has a 70% chance of winning this on election day. I was citing Nate Silver and rounding down when I said it. Nobody in my office disagreed with me.

Today, none of them have changed that agreement. They're all preparing themselves for 4 more years of Obama and quietly crying in their drinks.

Stuckinthebush

(11,203 posts)
35. I LOVE this
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:57 PM
Oct 2012

Why? Because Nate's modeling is testable. The proof is in the pudding. We will see next Tuesday how well his models worked. Then he can look at Joe and the right wing gang that can't shoot straight and say, "What was that you were saying about me?"

Of course, Joe will just find one blip where he wasn't 100% accurate and point to that as an example of how bad Nate is.

I can't stand the right wing blow hards.

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