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Playinghardball

(11,665 posts)
Tue May 3, 2016, 01:49 PM May 2016

Email from Bernie: This will anger you...

Xxx -

I want to share something with you that is probably going to make you angry, but then I am going to give you an opportunity to do something about it.

For months, you've heard the Clinton campaign endlessly repeat in interviews and on social media that they have raised millions and millions of dollars for state parties through something called the "Hillary Victory Fund." They've even used it as an attack line to insinuate Bernie wasn't willing to help down-ballot Democrats.

Well, yesterday morning, thanks to a Politico investigation, we found out that less than 1 percent of the $61 million raised by the Victory Fund has stayed in state party coffers. And indeed, the majority of the money spent by the Victory Fund has gone to benefit Hillary Clinton's primary campaign against us. The piece said some state party fundraisers believe they are basically acting as "money laundering conduits."

There's more, but first let me get to the part where you can take action. In recent weeks, the Clinton campaign has expressed a lot of interest in what is important to Bernie's supporters. Here's your chance to send a message about our distaste for big-money in politics:

Sign our petition calling on the Clinton campaign to stop bending campaign finance rules to their breaking point, and immediately transfer all the money allowable to the state parties participating in the "Hillary Victory Fund."

Here's how the scheme works for the Clinton campaign:

Rich people like Alice Walton of Walmart who have already contributed the maximum amount allowable to the Clinton campaign can contribute an additional $350,000-plus to the Victory Fund.

The first $33,400 of her contribution is supposed to go the DNC, and the rest divided up between participating state parties. But that's not what's been happening. The Victory Fund has mostly been doing one of two things with Ms. Walton's money:

1. Taking that money and spending it on advertisements and small-dollar fundraising solicitations. Then they take all the small-dollar contributions and data reaped from Alice Walton's contribution and transfer it directly to the Clinton campaign. This tactic is basically a way for them to benefit from a contribution much larger than the legal limit from Alice Walton.

2. They take Alice Walton's money and transfer it to state parties, who then immediately transfer it to the DNC. Often times they do it without the state party even knowing because the Clinton campaign controls many of the bank accounts involved. So at the end of the day, most of the state parties have received exactly $0 from their Victory Fund arrangement.

So, now that we know the Clinton campaign is taking advantage of state parties to skirt fundraising limits on her presidential campaign, it's time for her to do the right thing and let the state parties keep their fair share of the cash:

Sign our petition calling on the Clinton campaign to stop bending campaign finance rules to their breaking point, and immediately transfer all the money allowable to the state parties participating in the "Hillary Victory Fund."

It's unfortunate that Hillary Clinton has benefited from tens of millions of dollars in cash transfers and advertising to campaign against us in the primary. But it's not too late for her campaign to do the right thing by the state parties we're going to need to win elections up and down the ticket this November.

I'm sure if you sign our petition, that is something they will notice.

https://go.berniesanders.com/page/s/victory-fund?source=em160503-sub-d&utm_medium=email&utm_source=jeffweaver&utm_campaign=victory-fund&utm_content=petition

In solidarity,

Jeff Weaver
Campaign Manager
Bernie 2016

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Email from Bernie: This will anger you... (Original Post) Playinghardball May 2016 OP
they put a deceptively edited version of the Politico article on their site- leaving out the new bettyellen May 2016 #1
LOL! kaleckim May 2016 #3
Could it be that there is a process to deciding which of the down ticket races will need help? bettyellen May 2016 #18
So, she gets around campaign financing rules, with the help of the DNC kaleckim May 2016 #25
They have created a process to funnel more money to the DNC and states and it is infinitely bettyellen May 2016 #28
No kaleckim May 2016 #35
just admit you hate party building and be done with it. you don't care if Dems win seats.... bettyellen May 2016 #36
Just admit kaleckim May 2016 #44
I am against CU, but my world is not as black and white as yours. I know we need a Dem elected... bettyellen May 2016 #47
"Purity test" kaleckim May 2016 #49
the purity test is a tactical mistake on SBS's part- like it or not, he cannot do anything bettyellen May 2016 #50
Give me a break kaleckim May 2016 #55
Women and POC KNOW there have been incremental improvements in the last century..... bettyellen May 2016 #56
In 8-16 years climate change realities will have upended politics as we know it riderinthestorm May 2016 #71
Bernie has no concrete way to prevent global warming. Unfortunately, the will of the people is not bettyellen May 2016 #72
Bernie has pledged to make climate change a central priority from day one. riderinthestorm May 2016 #73
"servicing Netenyahu" ?!?! How do you expect anyone to take you seriously? Hillary had plans for bettyellen May 2016 #74
You didn't bother to read the article I see riderinthestorm May 2016 #75
sure, the one who won't say no to fracking... grasswire May 2016 #78
fracking needs to be done only under more stringent standards- and for a limited time.... bettyellen May 2016 #80
Thanks for that post kaleckim May 2016 #95
"The will of the people is not there right now" kaleckim May 2016 #94
New York debate creeksneakers2 May 2016 #77
Prove it kaleckim May 2016 #93
McCain thinks Sanders does a great job of working with Repubs on veterans' issues eridani May 2016 #85
you buy that all the GOP praise of Sanders given this Primary is honest? they'd love him to win, the bettyellen May 2016 #86
You just can't make up your mind which of two contradictory proposals you hold eridani May 2016 #89
I never said Republicans are going to work well with him, and with Dems he is worse off than Hillary bettyellen May 2016 #90
So, what will Clinton accomplish with Republicans? eridani May 2016 #96
"Your party"? This site is for Democrats WhiteTara May 2016 #54
That explains where the cash is going now. But what about the cash that has already been... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #40
They don't give a damn kaleckim May 2016 #45
Oh, there's a 'process', alright. Panic when caught and do damage control. /nt Marr May 2016 #63
there ain't enough tin foil at the supermarket for this place, LOL. bettyellen May 2016 #64
You're the one who made up a convoluted excuse before they even offered one themselves. Marr May 2016 #65
I read months ago about the process- and again this week. This is as messed up as "sample ballots" bettyellen May 2016 #66
I think you should just wait for the official excuse. Marr May 2016 #68
I have actually volunteered on quite a few campaigns, and know the ropes. Plus this was explained bettyellen May 2016 #69
A ploy to get more money? radical noodle May 2016 #10
Of course it's a ploy. "Send us your college money, kids!" nt SunSeeker May 2016 #17
Nobody agreed to funnel money from the Sanders campaign into Hillary's. Loudestlib May 2016 #81
Of course they did Dem2 May 2016 #31
Lol! KPN May 2016 #84
2/3rds of the state primaries are over and they're just now figuring out nilram May 2016 #88
for November- people are just polling now. bettyellen May 2016 #91
I smell desperation. nt BootinUp May 2016 #2
You always smell desperation. Check your nostrils. hellofromreddit May 2016 #27
Touched a nerve I guess, sorry 'bout that. BootinUp May 2016 #30
It's not his/her nostrils. It's just that there's a lot of desperation around here. Squinch May 2016 #51
LOL! JudyM May 2016 #60
It's not like they are stashing it in the Caymans. Skink May 2016 #4
It has to be laundered. How else are they going to get the stench of the Wal*Mart Waltons off of it! TheBlackAdder May 2016 #52
Live TV Water Rescue - Houston Flood 2016 snooper2 May 2016 #5
It does anger me ... salinsky May 2016 #6
Do you have a credible link where this has been discredited? floppyboo May 2016 #12
Thank you. Sparkly May 2016 #61
They can't win on issues so they have to lie, cheat and steal. What else is new? pdsimdars May 2016 #7
Bless your heart, you fell for it too radical noodle May 2016 #11
RW chain-mail from winger uncle or Sanders pocket-picker? ucrdem May 2016 #8
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #9
The foaming-at-the-mouth responses which include exactly no facts or links vintx May 2016 #13
signed and donated dana_b May 2016 #14
Me too. nm floriduck May 2016 #29
I will sign the petition but I want more. I want every state jwirr May 2016 #15
I want a pony for Xmas. And I figure my chances COLGATE4 May 2016 #16
Righteous rant. eom PufPuf23 May 2016 #34
You need to be a little more cynical postatomic May 2016 #19
You should have stuck around for 1 minute an 10 seconds then. beedle May 2016 #41
McCain was really pissed at the Obama Victory Fund postatomic May 2016 #67
I tried the FEC site ... GeorgeGist May 2016 #43
I'm afraid I can't figure out how to link it postatomic May 2016 #59
You know the saying about giving enough rope? Jitter65 May 2016 #20
That's why he's being so blatant ... NurseJackie May 2016 #33
Great idea! Let's have another debate! I bet Hillary would agree lol DebDoo May 2016 #39
It's carefully crafted to make you mad, so you'll give him more money. It's also a lie. nt BreakfastClub May 2016 #21
Oh yeah kaleckim May 2016 #46
Well, let's hear from the down ticket candidates. I don't hear them complaining. nt Jitter65 May 2016 #22
IOW "Clinton is cheating" brooklynite May 2016 #23
For some reason this just came to mind, must just be my mind wandering..... Dragonfli May 2016 #24
If only Bernie would utilize HIS Joint Fundraising Agreement and show us how it's done... brooklynite May 2016 #26
Jeff Weaver would say and do ANYTHING JanetLovesObama May 2016 #32
do you have a link for that salary of his? Hiraeth May 2016 #83
This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers May 2016 #37
Hillary and DWS are the Enron of political fundraising lagomorph777 May 2016 #38
done thanks! 2banon May 2016 #42
Yet another lie NobodyHere May 2016 #48
Signing and forwarding. azmom May 2016 #53
I want you to get angry and then pay me to feel better again anigbrowl May 2016 #57
There has not been one substantive reply TM99 May 2016 #58
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #62
So they're prett much lying to people they know don't know any better to get them to send more synergie May 2016 #70
Hell, there needs to be a FEC investigation of this unsavory if not illegal practice. grasswire May 2016 #76
+1 quantass May 2016 #79
Doesn't anger me at all. DawgHouse May 2016 #82
Wow. Demsrule86 May 2016 #87
What losers that team turned out to be. Lil Missy May 2016 #92
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
1. they put a deceptively edited version of the Politico article on their site- leaving out the new
Tue May 3, 2016, 01:51 PM
May 2016

dispersals of cash to states. They are just starting to distribute the cash to states now- as they are figuring out where the cash is needed. So blatantly dishonest- I wonder if SBS knows this?

kaleckim

(651 posts)
3. LOL!
Tue May 3, 2016, 01:55 PM
May 2016

You people will buy anything. Couldn't be that this looks really bad and she is doing that in response to the optics.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
18. Could it be that there is a process to deciding which of the down ticket races will need help?
Tue May 3, 2016, 02:28 PM
May 2016

Oh no- that would make too much sense. It has to be a conspiracy!

kaleckim

(651 posts)
25. So, she gets around campaign financing rules, with the help of the DNC
Tue May 3, 2016, 02:37 PM
May 2016

up until it becomes public, then does something, and there's nothing to critique? What the hell has your party become?

This isn't about a conspiracy, it's another example of corruption that you all are providing cover for. Don't expect anyone to take any of you seriously when you pretend to be against Citizens United.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
28. They have created a process to funnel more money to the DNC and states and it is infinitely
Tue May 3, 2016, 02:40 PM
May 2016

better than sitting on your hands and claiming their is money laundering going on just because you do not understand it.
That is sour grapes bullshit, and it will not help getting us back seats in congress.

kaleckim

(651 posts)
35. No
Tue May 3, 2016, 02:55 PM
May 2016

they have created a process to funnel money to HER, and it allows even more money to be given to her by the super rich. Either you don't understand this or are pretending otherwise. My god, how many vile things have you people defended in this election cycle?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
36. just admit you hate party building and be done with it. you don't care if Dems win seats....
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:00 PM
May 2016

and that shit is pretty short sighted at this moment in time. but have at it with the hatred.

kaleckim

(651 posts)
44. Just admit
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:24 PM
May 2016

that you pay lip service to being against Citizens United and the rich controlling candidates like Clinton, but have no real interest in ever changing the situation. There is no way in hell most Democrats would be okay if Republicans were doing this, nor should they be.

This is the same mindset that excuses Clinton for being neck deep in corporate and Wall Street bribes, sorry, campaign donations.

Because of people like yourself, Clinton cannot use the corruption of the Republicans in the coming election, which places her at a huge disadvantage. People like yourself are downright tone deaf, you just don't seem to grasp how much people are sick of this type of stuff.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
47. I am against CU, but my world is not as black and white as yours. I know we need a Dem elected...
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:31 PM
May 2016

to get that and a host of other things I am not sure your candidate cares enough about.
You don't seem to grasp how badly SBS is losing because of this one issue purity test schtick.

kaleckim

(651 posts)
49. "Purity test"
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:43 PM
May 2016

Yep, my opposition to the trade model your corrupt candidate supports isn't about job losses, stagnating wages, the decimation of unions, or factories closing (data, facts, reality), it's "ideological purity", says the person cut off from the impact of those policies. Must be nice. My opposition to Clinton's corruption isn't principled, and she and her husband getting 3 billion since entering politics from corporate interests has had no impact on people like myself. It isn't as if they backed policies that benefited those groups at my expense, right? Again, "ideological purity". Me not wanting to march like lemmings to the coming ecological collapse (which isn't over the top rhetoric), wanting radical changes (and quickly) because moderate solutions won't be enough is about "ideological purity". Her backing fracking as strongly as she did, and her recent about face on coal, has no real world impact what so ever. Say, can I pay for a seat on your spaceship to another habitable planet? If not, I'm sure people like yourself (real deep thinkers) can have a sit down conversation with Mother Earth about what is or isn't "pragmatic".

This "purity" thing is a catch phrase you people use when you can't defend what you're doing on moral or logical grounds. Like, if I don't like that she has been meeting with corporate lobbyists since she entered the race, you'll yell "purity", cause you really can't have an adult conversation about corruption, in particular, HER corruption. I don't know who you think you're fooling with this BS, but it isn't working with most of the country. Polls don't lie, even if you do.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
50. the purity test is a tactical mistake on SBS's part- like it or not, he cannot do anything
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:55 PM
May 2016

without working with others. Our system as it is is designed for incremental change. It sucks that it has become stagnant because voters seem only interested in a candidate once every 4-8 years while knowing or understanding little of the process.
I call THAT refusing to have an adult conversation.

kaleckim

(651 posts)
55. Give me a break
Tue May 3, 2016, 06:43 PM
May 2016

For one, at times, the system HAS changed pretty quickly. After the crash in 1929, the system didn't wait for incremental change, because the left scared the hell out of the power structure. That's the exact road we're heading down now, and the Democrats are doing a horrible job making sense of what is happening. I don't see how the pending ecological crisis doesn't get people seek quick radical change, there is no argument to be made that we have lots of time. We don't. If we do moderate, quarter measures, it's over. Period.

Beyond that, none of you can make an argument that there has been incremental improvements, whether the Democrats are in power or not. It has gotten incrementally worse for most people, which is why you see so much anger and why so many people are becoming radicalized. God forbid the left actually start pushing, and not continue to give a monopoly to the right as far as pushing both of the parties.

You can say all you want about incremental improvements, there is no evidence of it. None at all, and you seem to think that those improvements will emerge by doing the exact same things, supporting the exact same politicians and ideas. There's a definition for that, you know.

"while knowing or understanding little of the process."

I'd be willing to bet I know more about the Clinton's and Obama's record than people like yourself. I don't need any damn lecture by a group of people that have refused to have adult conversations about the Democrats' likely nominee for months now, and refuse to critically analyze her record or corruption.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
56. Women and POC KNOW there have been incremental improvements in the last century.....
Tue May 3, 2016, 06:49 PM
May 2016

Not surprised many here don;t give a shit about that.
And a depression that happened compared to a scare that may happen in the next 30-50 years is the same? Nope.
And I am geeing this is why people are so pissed Obama prevented a global depression with the bailout- same folks hoping Trump bring on the pain. No thank you.

The process I am saying folks are ignorant to- is the electoral process. There is a spate of conspiracy theories about how practices in place for decades are new and put in place to hurt Bernie, or inherently corrupt. It is pure ignorance. You'd actually have to pay attention to know that though. You want to fix the system? Awesome- but it takes years. Start doing your part, and reap the benefits in 8-16 years.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
71. In 8-16 years climate change realities will have upended politics as we know it
Tue May 3, 2016, 11:38 PM
May 2016

There's no more time for incrementalism.

You are so wrong thinking there isn't a global catastrophe looming on the horizon as scary as the Great Depression. Severe climate and environmental events will soon make even the Great Depression look mild.



Hillary Clinton’s proposals doom humanity as surely as climate change deniers. Too little too late. You'll own that.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
72. Bernie has no concrete way to prevent global warming. Unfortunately, the will of the people is not
Tue May 3, 2016, 11:42 PM
May 2016

there right now. It is, as both candidates have said the best place to concentrate dollars for a jobs program- as Hillary was talking about to bring solar manufacturing to coal country. I think Hillary will have more success selling it.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
73. Bernie has pledged to make climate change a central priority from day one.
Tue May 3, 2016, 11:55 PM
May 2016

Hillary promises to snuggle up to war criminal Netanyahu and service Israel's needs (war with Iran) as a first priority.

http://forward.com/opinion/national/324013/how-i-would-rebuild-ties-to-israel-and-benjamin-neta/

Fracking, TPP (just needs a few tweaks), endless toxic war in the ME, support for coal and nuclear energy...these are disastrous polluting policies.

We need bold, aggressive, muscular leadership on this issue. Bernie Sanders says it every stump speech. Its a keystone of his beliefs. Ban fracking, the TPP, take massive revolutionary steps to cut CO2 emissions etc.

Hillary dooms humanity. I will have a clear conscience in 5 years as severe weather and environmental events snowball. You will own the coming disasters.

Madame President will go down as the worst president in history for her tepid incrementalism at a pivotal moment in our planet's history.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
74. "servicing Netenyahu" ?!?! How do you expect anyone to take you seriously? Hillary had plans for
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:06 AM
May 2016

Global warning 6-7 months before SBS did. Maybe I'd believe you actually cared about this "doom humanity" shit if you could resist making sleazy little cracks like that. As it is I just see an irrational hater has been unmasked.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
75. You didn't bother to read the article I see
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:09 AM
May 2016
I will do everything I can to enhance our strategic partnership and strengthen America’s security commitment to Israel, ensuring that it always has the qualitative military edge to defend itself. That includes immediately dispatching a delegation of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to meet with senior Israeli commanders. I would also invite the Israeli prime minister to the White House in my first month in office.

Read more: http://forward.com/opinion/national/324013/how-i-would-rebuild-ties-to-israel-and-benjamin-neta/#ixzz47embAUSf
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
80. fracking needs to be done only under more stringent standards- and for a limited time....
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:36 AM
May 2016

it is a transitional energy source.

I read today SBS is promising coal miners they can keep their jobs? Should I believe that since I saw it here?

kaleckim

(651 posts)
95. Thanks for that post
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:33 PM
May 2016

I could have actually went to her campaign site to see her bumper sticker, but you saved me time by just writing it here. Much appreciated. Now, I am sure that her massive support for fracking at the State Department had nothing to do with donations to her by an groups, cause she's Hillary. You know, there is this thing called renewable energy and we have a crumbling infrastructure. See any logical connections there? I could see a counter argument, like what the WTO is doing to countries trying to support their renewable energy companies, but I can't see a Clinton supporter making that claim unless they want to explain why her husband gifted the WTO to us.

kaleckim

(651 posts)
94. "The will of the people is not there right now"
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:28 PM
May 2016

So, logically then you vote against the candidate trying to actively move popular opinion and support the one going with the flow then. When we are approaching ecological collapse, which we are, the best idea is to just accept the situation and be "pragmatic" while the world goes to hell. What exactly do you and the Democratic Party stand for, if you can't find it in you to help us to avoid ecological collapse? It is almost like you want to prove that you are no longer a vehicle of progressive change, and that your task is to essentially manage our economic and ecological decline.

By the way, there is no need to brush off the idea that we are approaching ecological collapse. Take a look at the Stockholm Resilience Center's planetary boundaries, the recent IPCC reports, or reports on ocean acidification, the global species extinction rate, the ocean possibly being free of fish by mid-century, among many other things. You saying that doesn't equal, or far surpass, the Great Depression has nothing to do with objective reality.

creeksneakers2

(7,472 posts)
77. New York debate
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:31 AM
May 2016

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- jobs are one thing, but with less than 6 percent of all U.S. energy coming from solar, wind and geothermal, and 20 percent of U.S. power coming from nuclear, if you phase out all of that, how do you make up...
SANDERS: Well, you don't phase...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- that difference?
SANDERS: -- it all out tomorrow. And you certainly don't phase nuclear out tomorrow. But this is what you do do.
(APPLAUSE)
SANDERS: What you do do is say that we are going to have a massive program -- and I had introduced -- introduced legislation for 10 million solar rooftops. We can put probably millions of people to work retrofitting and weatherizing buildings all over this country.
(CHEERING)
SANDERS: Saving -- rebuilding our rail system.
(APPLAUSE)
SANDERS: Our mass transit system.
(APPLAUSE)
SANDERS: If we approach this, Errol, as if we were literally at a war -- you know, in 1941, under Franklin Delano Roosevelt, we moved within three years, within three more years to rebuild our economy to defeat Nazism and Japanese imperialism. That is exactly the kind of approach we need right now.

kaleckim

(651 posts)
93. Prove it
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:21 PM
May 2016

I have a background in economics, I know the data. Prove to me there has been economic progress since Reagan, hell, since Nixon, for most of the country. Prove our infrastructure has progressed. Prove that public schools have progressed. Prove that the environment is in better shape. Go ahead, the floor is yours. Things haven't gotten incrementally better just because Hillary Clinton and the corporations and banks backing her say they have.

"And I am geeing this is why people are so pissed Obama prevented a global depression with the bailout"

What individuals, groups, and institutions were bailed out? Local governments, especially ones dealing with de-industrialization? Massively indebted home owners, students? You know, private debt has exploded in recent decades and is much larger than public debt, grew at a much quicker rate than public debt leading into the crash. We have given over a year's worth of GDP to financial capital since the crash, the too big to fail banks are now bigger and pose and even greater systematic risk. The value of the debt instruments the rich and the banks own were maintained with tax payer money, as was the power of financial capital. Provide the evidence that anywhere close to that has gone towards the groups I mentioned. You can't.

Notice too that I am asking you over and over again for facts and proof. There is a reason for that.

"Start doing your part, and reap the benefits in 8-16 years."

I keep on hearing stuff about unicorns and rainbows. Classical case of projection. THIS is unicorns and rainbows. I am an activist, former union rep, been involved my entire adult life. That doesn't mean I view the Democratic Party as a vehicle of change. Now, if you or others can make the case and have facts to back it up, great. There is no evidence though that things have gotten better and that your party is that. Again, if you can argue otherwise, I am all ears.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
85. McCain thinks Sanders does a great job of working with Repubs on veterans' issues
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:29 AM
May 2016

Also, he has had more amendments passed than any other member of Congress.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
86. you buy that all the GOP praise of Sanders given this Primary is honest? they'd love him to win, the
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:28 AM
May 2016

primary. We knew that already.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
89. You just can't make up your mind which of two contradictory proposals you hold
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:02 PM
May 2016

1. Sander can't get anything done in Congress.

2. He can, but only working with Republicans, which is bad.

How does Clinton handle working with Republicans?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
90. I never said Republicans are going to work well with him, and with Dems he is worse off than Hillary
Thu May 5, 2016, 04:33 AM
May 2016

even more so now that he is basically calling all of them corrupt. Not so smart.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
96. So, what will Clinton accomplish with Republicans?
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:23 AM
May 2016

More "trade" agreements? Cutting Social Security? Expanding fracking? More war in the ME? I prefer the Sanders-McCain cooperation on veterans' benefits.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
40. That explains where the cash is going now. But what about the cash that has already been...
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:21 PM
May 2016

...stolen by the Clinton campaign - BEFORE the distributions that began after Bernie's campaign made their complaint?

kaleckim

(651 posts)
45. They don't give a damn
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:26 PM
May 2016

because the Republicans do it too, or whatever. How these people represent progress is beyond me. It seems that if working people, the poor and the environment are to recover, we have to progress past that poster's mindset, and stop providing cover for things any actual progressive should be against.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
65. You're the one who made up a convoluted excuse before they even offered one themselves.
Tue May 3, 2016, 11:07 PM
May 2016
That's tinfoil.
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
66. I read months ago about the process- and again this week. This is as messed up as "sample ballots"
Tue May 3, 2016, 11:11 PM
May 2016

another famous scandal GDP blows up about on a regular basis.
The states do not get nearly as much as the DNC, but they will get their share. They are just starting polling to figure out where. According to you people they should just throw the money around willy nilly? No wonder your candidate lost.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
68. I think you should just wait for the official excuse.
Tue May 3, 2016, 11:14 PM
May 2016

I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the issue after Hillary's campaign gives them to you.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
69. I have actually volunteered on quite a few campaigns, and know the ropes. Plus this was explained
Tue May 3, 2016, 11:25 PM
May 2016

months ago- as well as buried in the article everyone is citing (just not as well). But go ahead, be totally shocked at how campaigns are run. You'll find plenty of company who also have n clue here in GDP.

radical noodle

(7,997 posts)
10. A ploy to get more money?
Tue May 3, 2016, 02:06 PM
May 2016

This was explained some time ago. Sanders' campaign signed the same agreement about that fund raising, but Sanders hasn't raised any money for down ticket races, so doesn't benefit from it until he does.

Loudestlib

(980 posts)
81. Nobody agreed to funnel money from the Sanders campaign into Hillary's.
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:40 AM
May 2016

That's what the DNC is doing and it's unethical.

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
31. Of course they did
Tue May 3, 2016, 02:49 PM
May 2016

I expect nothing less than tactics unfit for the Dems worst opponents going forward.

KPN

(15,637 posts)
84. Lol!
Wed May 4, 2016, 01:02 AM
May 2016

You folks are just too much.

“The soft-minded man always fears change. He feels security in the status quo, and he has an almost morbid fear of the new. For him, the greatest pain is the pain of a new idea.”
- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

nilram

(2,886 posts)
88. 2/3rds of the state primaries are over and they're just now figuring out
Wed May 4, 2016, 01:03 PM
May 2016

where cash is needed? Wonder why now?

TheBlackAdder

(28,167 posts)
52. It has to be laundered. How else are they going to get the stench of the Wal*Mart Waltons off of it!
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:03 PM
May 2016

salinsky

(1,065 posts)
6. It does anger me ...
Tue May 3, 2016, 01:59 PM
May 2016

... that utter rightwing propagandist bullshit like this is posted on the DEMOCRATIC Underground.

The Politico article that this is base on has been thoroughly discredited.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
12. Do you have a credible link where this has been discredited?
Tue May 3, 2016, 02:10 PM
May 2016

That would help your case. Best to bite it in the bud if there are untruths being disseminated.

Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
13. The foaming-at-the-mouth responses which include exactly no facts or links
Tue May 3, 2016, 02:14 PM
May 2016

just statements that it's lies, all lies... Those are so convincing.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
15. I will sign the petition but I want more. I want every state
Tue May 3, 2016, 02:16 PM
May 2016

that went to Bernie to go to the convention loaded for bear.

I want us to confront them and demand an accounting of what was sent to her and the DNC even before the first vote.

I want them to understand that they took my vote away from me by giving her a head start in the campaign. I want the leadership of those 32 state parties to step down and allow us to vote in new leaders.

I want my democracy back. I also want to see the super-delegates ended in the Democratic Party - if not this year then for any further elections. Like the Hillary Victory Fund most of the SDs rushed to endorse Hillary with no consideration of what their own states wanted - in doing so they gave Hillary another head start way before even one vote was counted. This is not a democracy it is a balancing act with one candidate with their fingers on the scale.

So yes I am going to sign this petition. And I am going to do more.

postatomic

(1,771 posts)
19. You need to be a little more cynical
Tue May 3, 2016, 02:29 PM
May 2016

It took me less than 1 minute to prove that this 'thing' that Mr. Weaver put out is total bullshit.

Just go to the FEC site. It lists all the state parties that the Hillary Victory Fund has paid out to.

I did notice that the Bernie Victory Fund has raised $1,000.

Ignoring the comic book fantasy put out by Jeff, it begs the question. Which candidate has done more to help The Democratic Party?

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
41. You should have stuck around for 1 minute an 10 seconds then.
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:23 PM
May 2016

The money goes to the state parties all right .. just long enough to show up on the records and then are transferred right back to the DNC the next day.

Let me guess, you're looking at the $4.5 million that is claimed to have been transferred to the states .. the same $4.5 Million that was then transferred back (by Hillary people, many times without the knowledge of the state party officials) to the DNC and used for Hillary campaigning.

postatomic

(1,771 posts)
67. McCain was really pissed at the Obama Victory Fund
Tue May 3, 2016, 11:14 PM
May 2016
Mr. Obama’s joint money-raising committee, which can take in checks of more than $30,000 that are divided between the campaign and the D.N.C., collected $69 million in September. The fund funneled $32 million in September to the Obama campaign’s coffers and $26.5 million to the national committee.

The D.N.C., which can spend money on Mr. Obama’s behalf with certain restrictions, announced Sunday it collected nearly $50 million in September and had $27.4 million in cash on hand at the end of the month.


The Hillary Victory Fund is modeled after the highly successful Obama Victory Fund. Both are/were designed to provide a 50 State funding strategy for the General Election. Since I have serious doubts that The Sandman is going to be the nominee I'm not sure why Comic Book Guy would be so upset with this.

I have a life so I don't have the time to look at every state contribution to see if money went in - then immediately went out. The few states I looked at didn't provide me with anything that would back your statement: transferred back (by Hillary people, many times without the knowledge of the state party officials) to the DNC and used for Hillary campaigning. Actually this seems silly. If the Hillary Campaign wanted some of this money for the General Election they could just take it (within certain limits).

The FEC is cool with it:

http://www.fec.gov/rad/JointFundraisingCommittees.shtml

postatomic

(1,771 posts)
59. I'm afraid I can't figure out how to link it
Tue May 3, 2016, 10:51 PM
May 2016

FEC uses some kind of fancy data recall thing that I can't figure out. My digital skills are a little limited. So, just for you, I did a copy and paste:


ALASKA DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE ANCHORAGE AK 99503 11/02/2015 $43,500
ALASKA DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE ANCHORAGE AK 99503 12/01/2015 $20,600
COLORADO DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE DENVER CO 80203 12/01/2015 $21,000
COLORADO DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE DENVER CO 80203 11/02/2015 $45,000
COLORADO DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE DENVER CO 80203 01/04/2016 $70,000
COLORADO DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE DENVER CO 80203 03/16/2016 $12,000
DEMOCRATIC EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF FLORIDA TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE TALLAHASSEE FL 32301 12/01/2015 $20,700
DEMOCRATIC EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF FLORIDA TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE TALLAHASSEE FL 32301 11/02/2015 $21,500
DEMOCRATIC EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF FLORIDA TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE TALLAHASSEE FL 32301 10/01/2015 $24,000
DEMOCRATIC EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF FLORIDA TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE TALLAHASSEE FL 32301 01/05/2016 $80,000
DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF ARKANSAS TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE LITTLE ROCK AR 72201 12/01/2015 $63,000
DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF ARKANSAS TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE LITTLE ROCK AR 72201 01/04/2016 $80,000
DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF OREGON TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE PORTLAND OR 97232 12/01/2015 $64,100
DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF OREGON TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE PORTLAND OR 97232 01/04/2016 $80,000
DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF SOUTH CAROLINA TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE COLUMBIA SC 29250 11/02/2015 $19,500
DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF SOUTH CAROLINA TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE COLUMBIA SC 29250 10/01/2015 $24,000
DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF SOUTH CAROLINA TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE COLUMBIA SC 29250 12/01/2015 $20,600
DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF SOUTH CAROLINA TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE COLUMBIA SC 29250 01/04/2016 $80,000
DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF VIRGINIA TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE RICHMOND VA 23223 11/02/2015 $19,500
DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF VIRGINIA TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE RICHMOND VA 23223 10/01/2015 $24,000
DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF VIRGINIA TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE RICHMOND VA 23223 01/04/2016 $40,000
DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF VIRGINIA TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE RICHMOND VA 23223 01/05/2016 $40,000
DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF VIRGINIA TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE RICHMOND VA 23223 01/06/2016 $35,000
DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF WISCONSIN TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE MADISON WI 53703 03/18/2016 $12,500
DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF WISCONSIN TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE MADISON WI 53703 01/04/2016 $207,278
DEMOCRATIC STATE CENTRAL COMMITTEE OF LA TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE BATON ROUGE LA 70821 12/01/2015 $64,000
DEMOCRATIC STATE CENTRAL COMMITTEE OF LA TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE BATON ROUGE LA 70821 01/04/2016 $80,000
DNC SERVICES CORPORATION/DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE WASHINGTON DC 20003 12/01/2015 $600,000
DNC SERVICES CORPORATION/DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE WASHINGTON DC 20003 11/18/2015 $120,000
DNC SERVICES CORPORATION/DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE WASHINGTON DC 20003 12/01/2015 $17,000
DNC SERVICES CORPORATION/DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE WASHINGTON DC 20003 11/20/2015 $10,000
DNC SERVICES CORPORATION/DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE WASHINGTON DC 20003 11/02/2015 $602,436
DNC SERVICES CORPORATION/DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE WASHINGTON DC 20003 10/01/2015 $264,000
DNC SERVICES CORPORATION/DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE WASHINGTON DC 20003 11/12/2015 $50,000
DNC SERVICES CORPORATION/DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE WASHINGTON DC 20003 02/01/2016 $1,500,000
DNC SERVICES CORPORATION/DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE WASHINGTON DC 20003 03/01/2016 $1,650,000
DNC SERVICES CORPORATION/DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE WASHINGTON DC 20003 03/01/2016 $350,000
DNC SERVICES CORPORATION/DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE WASHINGTON DC 20003 09/15/2015 $500,000
DNC SERVICES CORPORATION/DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE WASHINGTON DC 20003 09/16/2015 $100,000
GEORGIA FEDERAL ELECTIONS COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE ATLANTA GA 30312 12/01/2015 $20,600
GEORGIA FEDERAL ELECTIONS COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE ATLANTA GA 30312 11/02/2015 $43,500
GEORGIA FEDERAL ELECTIONS COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE ATLANTA GA 30312 01/04/2016 $80,000
HILLARY FOR AMERICA TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE NEW YORK NY 10185 12/04/2015 $1,300,000
HILLARY FOR AMERICA TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE NEW YORK NY 10185 12/31/2015 $1,940,000
HILLARY FOR AMERICA TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE NEW YORK NY 10185 03/31/2016 $3,750,000
HILLARY FOR AMERICA TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE NEW YORK NY 10185 02/29/2016 $4,500,000
HILLARY FOR AMERICA TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE NEW YORK NY 10185 01/31/2016 $1,200,000
IDAHO STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE BOISE ID 83701 12/01/2015 $20,600
IDAHO STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE BOISE ID 83701 11/02/2015 $43,500
IDAHO STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE BOISE ID 83701 01/04/2016 $80,000
INDIANA DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSIONAL VICTORY COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE INDIANAPOLIS IN 46204 12/01/2015 $64,000
INDIANA DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSIONAL VICTORY COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE INDIANAPOLIS IN 46204 01/04/2016 $80,000
KENTUCKY STATE DEMOCRATIC CENTRAL EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE FRANKFORT KY 40602 01/04/2016 $73,000
MAINE DEMOCRATIC STATE COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE AUGUSTA ME 04330 12/01/2015 $20,800
MAINE DEMOCRATIC STATE COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE AUGUSTA ME 04330 11/02/2015 $15,000
MAINE DEMOCRATIC STATE COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE AUGUSTA ME 04330 10/01/2015 $24,000
MASSACHUSETTS DEMOCRATIC STATE COMMITTEE - FED FUND TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE BOSTON MA 02110 12/01/2015 $20,600
MASSACHUSETTS DEMOCRATIC STATE COMMITTEE - FED FUND TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE BOSTON MA 02110 11/02/2015 $19,500
MASSACHUSETTS DEMOCRATIC STATE COMMITTEE - FED FUND TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE BOSTON MA 02110 10/01/2015 $24,000
MICHIGAN DEMOCRATIC STATE CENTRAL COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE LANSING MI 48933 12/01/2015 $20,600
MICHIGAN DEMOCRATIC STATE CENTRAL COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE LANSING MI 48933 11/02/2015 $19,500
MICHIGAN DEMOCRATIC STATE CENTRAL COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE LANSING MI 48933 10/01/2015 $24,000
MINNESOTA DEMOCRATIC-FARMER-LABOR PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE SAINT PAUL MN 55107 11/02/2015 $43,500
MINNESOTA DEMOCRATIC-FARMER-LABOR PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE SAINT PAUL MN 55107 12/01/2015 $20,600
MINNESOTA DEMOCRATIC-FARMER-LABOR PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE SAINT PAUL MN 55107 01/04/2016 $150,000
MISSISSIPPI DEMOCRATIC PARTY PAC TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE JACKSON MS 39215 10/01/2015 $24,000
MISSISSIPPI DEMOCRATIC PARTY PAC TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE JACKSON MS 39215 11/02/2015 $19,500
MISSISSIPPI DEMOCRATIC PARTY PAC TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE JACKSON MS 39215 12/01/2015 $20,600
MISSOURI DEMOCRATIC STATE COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE JEFFERSON CITY MO 65102 10/01/2015 $24,000
MISSOURI DEMOCRATIC STATE COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE JEFFERSON CITY MO 65102 11/02/2015 $19,500
MISSOURI DEMOCRATIC STATE COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE JEFFERSON CITY MO 65102 12/01/2015 $20,600
MONTANA DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE HELENA MT 59624 12/01/2015 $20,600
MONTANA DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE HELENA MT 59624 11/02/2015 $43,500
NEVADA STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE LAS VEGAS NV 89107 12/01/2015 $66,200
NEVADA STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE LAS VEGAS NV 89107 01/04/2016 $80,000
NEVADA STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE LAS VEGAS NV 89107 03/18/2016 $26,000
NEW HAMPSHIRE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE CONCORD NH 03301 10/01/2015 $24,000
NEW HAMPSHIRE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE CONCORD NH 03301 11/30/2015 $36,100
NEW HAMPSHIRE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE CONCORD NH 03301 12/01/2015 $14,600
NEW HAMPSHIRE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE CONCORD NH 03301 01/22/2016 $45,000
NEW HAMPSHIRE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE CONCORD NH 03301 01/25/2016 $50,000
NEW HAMPSHIRE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE CONCORD NH 03301 01/26/2016 $35,000
NORTH CAROLINA DEMOCRATIC PARTY - FEDERAL TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE RALEIGH NC 27603 12/01/2015 $64,000
NORTH CAROLINA DEMOCRATIC PARTY - FEDERAL TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE RALEIGH NC 27603 01/04/2016 $80,000
OHIO DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE COLUMBUS OH 43215 12/01/2015 $66,000
OHIO DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE COLUMBUS OH 43215 01/04/2016 $80,000
OKLAHOMA DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE OKLAHOMA CITY OK 73105 01/04/2016 $140,000
PENNSYLVANIA DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE HARRISBURG PA 17101 10/01/2015 $24,000
PENNSYLVANIA DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE HARRISBURG PA 17101 12/01/2015 $25,000
PENNSYLVANIA DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE HARRISBURG PA 17101 11/02/2015 $21,500
RHODE ISLAND DEMOCRATIC STATE COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE PROVIDENCE RI 02940 11/02/2015 $19,500
RHODE ISLAND DEMOCRATIC STATE COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE PROVIDENCE RI 02940 10/01/2015 $24,000
RHODE ISLAND DEMOCRATIC STATE COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE PROVIDENCE RI 02940 12/01/2015 $20,600
TENNESSEE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE NASHVILLE TN 37203 11/02/2015 $43,500
TENNESSEE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE NASHVILLE TN 37203 12/01/2015 $20,600
TENNESSEE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE NASHVILLE TN 37203 01/04/2016 $80,000
TEXAS DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE AUSTIN TX 78741 11/02/2015 $43,500
TEXAS DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE AUSTIN TX 78741 12/01/2015 $20,600
TEXAS DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE AUSTIN TX 78741 12/31/2015 $5,000
TEXAS DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE AUSTIN TX 78741 01/04/2016 $80,000
UTAH STATE DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE SALT LAKE CITY UT 84103 11/02/2015 $19,500
UTAH STATE DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE SALT LAKE CITY UT 84103 10/01/2015 $24,000
UTAH STATE DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE SALT LAKE CITY UT 84103 12/01/2015 $20,600
WV STATE DEMOCRATIC EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE CHARLESTON WV 25301 11/02/2015 $19,500
WV STATE DEMOCRATIC EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE CHARLESTON WV 25301 12/01/2015 $20,600
WV STATE DEMOCRATIC EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE CHARLESTON WV 25301 10/01/2015 $24,000
WY DEMOCRATIC STATE CENTRAL COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE CHEYENNE WY 82003 11/02/2015 $19,500
WY DEMOCRATIC STATE CENTRAL COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFILIATE CHEYENNE WY 82003 12/01/2015 $20,600
WY DEMOCRATIC STATE CENTRAL COMMITTEE TRANSFER TO AFFLIATE CHEYENNE WY 82003 10/01/2015 $24,000

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
20. You know the saying about giving enough rope?
Tue May 3, 2016, 02:30 PM
May 2016

I really do wish they had another debate coming so Hillary could set the record straight and wipe his face in his lies and misinformation.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
33. That's why he's being so blatant ...
Tue May 3, 2016, 02:53 PM
May 2016

... only his fans and Hillary-haters are paying attention and taking him seriously any more.

kaleckim

(651 posts)
46. Oh yeah
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:29 PM
May 2016

why would any progressive have a problem with this? It isn't as if your party has a history (especially in recent decades) of nominating presidential candidates that do the bidding of Wall Street, corporations and the rich (i.e., their top donors).

No one should take any of you seriously when you pretend to be against Citizens United.

 

JanetLovesObama

(548 posts)
32. Jeff Weaver would say and do ANYTHING
Tue May 3, 2016, 02:52 PM
May 2016

to keep his $800,000 per month coming in. I hope those college students who are still sending money will wise up.. Obviously many have seeing that Sanders' campaign went from 46 million in March to 26 million in April.

Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
38. Hillary and DWS are the Enron of political fundraising
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:14 PM
May 2016

shells within shams within scams. They're using state parties as dozens of little "onshore" slush funds.

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
48. Yet another lie
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:35 PM
May 2016

This email was not from Bernie. It was from Weaver who wants to line his pockets some more using a misleading article.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
57. I want you to get angry and then pay me to feel better again
Tue May 3, 2016, 06:57 PM
May 2016

I had no idea there was such a large market for consensual emotional manipulation.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
58. There has not been one substantive reply
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:11 PM
May 2016

from a Clinton supporter in this thread.

There have been zero facts, no outside sources to dispute the allegations, etc.

There have been insults, red herrings, strawman, and did I mention insults?

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
70. So they're prett much lying to people they know don't know any better to get them to send more
Tue May 3, 2016, 11:29 PM
May 2016

money. Got it, hope you Bernie supporters open your wallets and send in every last cent. Bernie is going to need all the money he can get to feather his and Jane's nest.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
76. Hell, there needs to be a FEC investigation of this unsavory if not illegal practice.
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:27 AM
May 2016

Can't win honestly. Must cheat, Hillary.

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