"In the realm of illogical, self-serving, hypocritical, intellectually dishonest political arguments

[Nye Bevan]

.....

Sanders’ third argument, however, is the real doozy, because to buy it you basically have to ignore everything else he has said about the unfairness of the primary system. According to Sanders, superdelegates shouldn’t actually be guided by the will of the people. They should be guided by who can win in November. Surprisingly enough, Sanders thinks that he would be that person.

Superdelegates should ask themselves, he said, “do they want the second strongest candidate running against Trump, or the strongest candidate?”

If your head is spinning, it’s with good reason.

The same candidate who has been railing against independent voters being disenfranchised, who has called the primary system undemocratic, and who has complained about superdelegates, in general, is now calling on those same superdelegates to vote against Clinton (that would apparently include delegates from the states Clinton has won), even though she will almost certainly have the most pledged delegates and the most votes. In head-to-head general election polls, Clinton trounces Trump, but since Sanders trounces him by a bit more, he argues that he should be the nominee.

In the realm of illogical, self-serving, hypocritical, intellectually dishonest political arguments, this is practically the gold standard. But with six weeks to go until the last primary, I have great confidence that the Sanders campaign will find some way to top it.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/05/02/bernie-sanders-declares-war-reality/68txAVboFpkpbLXarTH33O/story.html

Superdelegates are GREAT. And we have always been at war with Eastasia.

[griffi94]

1. Bernie is losing any credibility he once had

The wheels are coming off of his campaign.

He's knows it's over. He should start an exit
strategy and work on staying relevant.

If the remainder of his campaign is just more ranting
he'll undo any progress he's made.

[Human101948]

2. Blah blah blah...

Blah blah!

[griffi94]

11. Hillary is winning

Blah Blah by 300 DELEGATES Blah Blah Blah
and 3 MILIION VOTES Blah Blah Blah

Bernie's done Blah Blah Blah

Hillary's got this in the bag Blah Blah Blah

Bye Bye Bernie Blah Blah

[Human101948]

12. Exactly. Why then do we need your incessant blathering...

Be confident. Hold your head high. Act like a winner instead of a petulant child.

[griffi94]

16. Hillary

is winning by 300 delegates and 3 million votes.

Bernie winning is now a statistical impossibility.

Hillary's got this in the bag.

[anigbrowl]

33. You're the one going 'blah blah blah'

Nobody is forcing you to read opinions you disagree with but apparently you just can't help yourself.

[RobertEarl]

3. Oh bullshit

The rules state that the supers are not obligated to vote for H.

Now some of you want to make new rules that says they are.

The Boston Globe is a mouthpiece of the oligarchy. Fuck 'em.

[jcgoldie]

13. intellectual dihonesty

and hypocrisy... they chose the right words.

[RobertEarl]

17. That's you!!

Projecting again.

[jcgoldie]

18. truth will set you free

[RobertEarl]

19. I know some truth about you

From your posts here.

[jcgoldie]

24. You dont know shit about me

Stick to the topic. Bernie is a hypocrite. Losing the respect of more voters every day. Some folks will go to great lengths to justify the intellectual dishonesty. Thats what this thread is about. That's what your presence here attests to

[RobertEarl]

37. Bwahahaha

You don't know shit about me

Stick to the topic. Clinton is a hypocrite. Losing the respect of more voters every day. Some folks will go to great lengths to justify the intellectual dishonesty. That's what this thread is about. That's what your presence here attests to

[LuvLoogie]

28. I wasn't obligated to vote for Hillary. I chose to.

[tonyt53]

4. And Bernie thinks he could handle the GOP campaign against him

They would have a field day with Bernie. As per a recent article in Mother Jones, the word "socialist" will kill him with most voters over the age of 50. In other words, the people that do actually show up to vote.

[Nye Bevan]

10. Apparently he wins points for being a "democratic" socialist as opposed to a "dictatorial" one (nt)

[firebrand80]

5. His message on this has been so muddled

Every week there seems to be a new story about what the end game is. As the arguments about how far the campaign will go get more and more ridiculous, it's becomes clear that his campaign simply refuses to admit that the race is over.

[BootinUp]

6. I have confidence Sanders will find a way to top it too, lol.

Bernie, just stop. You are killing your image and the goodwill you had built up dude.

[psychmommy]

7. Could it be that he has no pending

criminal investigations? Perhaps that makes him a stronger candidate. I think it does. Perhaps he doesn't have the baggage that she is carrying. Maybe that makes him a stronger candidate. It seems very logical to me.

[randome]

40. And yet he says the email nonsense is...nonsense. Not so logical after all, I think.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]A 90% chance of rain means the same as a 10% chance:
It might rain and it might not.[/center][/font][hr]

[Lucinda]

8. KNR

[lumberjack_jeff]

9. "Hypocrisy" means something other than what you think it means.

It is not hypocritical to obey the rules even though you believe that they are arbitrary and unfair.

[jcgoldie]

14. hypocrisy means exactly what they think it means

It means arguing that the super-delegates should reconsider their choice in caucus states to reflect the will of the people and then have the audacity to say in the next breath that they should ignore the will of the people completely. I don't see how anyone in the Sanders campaign can even say this shit with a straight face. Bernie Sanders Mr. Authenticity is making an ass of himself as he winds this down.

[lumberjack_jeff]

15. In the words of Pharma lobbyist Howard Dean;

"Superdelegates can vote however they want"

It's incumbent on Sanders to make them want to vote against the candidate most likely to lose the general election.

What's hypocritical is to write the rules then complain that your opponent is following them.

[anigbrowl]

34. Nobody is complaining about Sanders not following rules

We're just pointing out that his argument is self-contradictory and absurd.

[NanceGreggs]

20. I've yet to see anyone ...

... saying that Bernie is doing anything "against the rules". What people are pointing out is that Bernie is a hypocrite - which is blatantly obvious.

The self-proclaimed "Man of the People" now wants super-delegates to totally ignore The People, and hand him the nomination he couldn't earn on his own merits.

A lot of you BSers aren't stupid. You KNOW that he's being a hypocrite; you KNOW that he is now saying the exact opposite of what he said only a few months ago. You're just desperate to spin this bullshit into "he's just following the rules" - and it stinks of desperation.

[lumberjack_jeff]

22. Following the stupid rules isn't hypocrisy.

Superdelegates suck... but they're the gatekeepers in this fucked up system. If winning requires bribing them under the party rules, then bribes it is.

It's the only way to get into a position to fix the corrupt system.

[NanceGreggs]

23. I see you're just going to ignore ...

... the hypocrisy and keep insisting that it's about "following rules".

Bernie railed against the very idea of SDs because they shouldn't have the power to overturn the will of the people - and NOW he wants them to overturn the will of the people.

If you can't see the hypocrisy there - well, what can I say?

And BTW, Bernie not "following any rules" here, as there is no "rule" that one is to try to flip super-delegates if one is losing. There's nothing preventing him from doing so - but saying he is doing so as some sort of obedience to "the rules" is just laughable.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. Please see Post#29

thank you in advance.

[qdouble]

32. Oh my gawd...do you even read your own posts?

There isn't anything more corrupt than choosing someone who is losing badly to win. You want him to fix a corrupt system, by doing something that it's unprecedentedly corrupt?

[lumberjack_jeff]

35. Where were you last month when Clinton supporters were including SDs with every delegate count?

Clearly it didn't matter then what the will of the actual voters was.

[politicaljunkie41910]

38. Perhaps if Bernie was a member of the Democratic party he would have more support of Superdelegates.

The Superdelegates were established to give the Party more control over choosing their candidates. It's not like they changed the rules after the Primary Season began. If Bernie didn't like them, he could have run as an Independent. He chose not to because he wanted to USE the recourses of the Democratic Party of which he (through personal choice) had never been a member. It would have cost him lots of money to get his name on 50 state ballots as an Independent and he didn't want to pay for that right. So don't come into our party and try to rewrite the rules 3/4's of the way through the process, because you don't like the outcome NOW.

[morningfog]

39. What did he say about super delegates months ago?

I honestly don't remember what he said. I'd like to see a quote.

I have always been against them and still am. I'd prefer they all abstain from voting at the convention and then axing them moving forward.

[Nonhlanhla]

41. He was against them before he was for them. nt

[morningfog]

42. I'm looking for a link to a quote.

[Nonhlanhla]

43. Google is your friend. nt

[morningfog]

44. But, not yours, apparently.

I don't remember him railing against superdelegates months ago. Maybe he did. But I'm trying to gauge this "hypocrisy" claim.

[Nonhlanhla]

47. Am I in your employ?

Why don't you look it up?

[morningfog]

48. Because I don't think it exists. I didn't make the claim.

And I looked.

It's easy to talk shit out of your ass. It's harder to back up bullshit claims.

[morningfog]

46. My memory of his early super delegate criticism was that they

endorsed HIllary too early. Not that the supers should follow the people.

You may have a different memory, but I am trying to find where his current position is "the exact opposite" of his previous and haven't been able to.

[NCTraveler]

21. Weaver is destroying Sanders name.

Not that Sanders himself isn't a willing participant in the endeavor.

[lagomorph777]

25. Heaven forbid Bernie would persuade a superdelegate to vote with their state!

Bernie has a perfectly valid argument to make that SDs should vote the way their states voted, not just the way DWS/HRC want them to.

In what universe is that un-democratic?

[Kip Humphrey]

26. Aside from being one of the more asinine opinion pieces I have read, I notice that Bernie has

succeeded in tying Hillarians in knots over this which gives me great amusement and satisfaction. Keep it up Hillarians. The outcome may surprise you!

[Bill USA]

27. recommended. Just wanted to get that in b4 Bernie fans hide this "disruptive, hurtful, rude,..

.... insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate." post. YOu HORRIBLE PERSON YOU!!

Recommended..

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. To committed revolutionaries niceties like respecting the will of the voters ...

To committed revolutionaries niceties like respecting the will of the voters are just more bourgeoisie claptrap. They know better.

[NanceGreggs]

36. ...

[bobbobbins01]

31. A new poll out has Trump beating her.

But Bernie still beats him. So this article is bullshit.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

45. I hope the SDs follow his advice and do what's good for the country...and the world.