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CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:37 PM May 2016

Who is this "we" which Sanders is referring to in the speech he is giving right now?

He keep saying that "we" are going to raise the minimum wage, we are going to do this, we are going to do that.... He doesn't get it - "he" is not going to do a damn thing!

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Who is this "we" which Sanders is referring to in the speech he is giving right now? (Original Post) CajunBlazer May 2016 OP
So if because of Bernie many of these things happen under President Clinton, he still Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #1
Yeah, I'd love to hear that speech where he tells his supporters to stop dreaming Ned_Devine May 2016 #2
That's Hillary's job nt NWCorona May 2016 #6
Zing! artislife May 2016 #25
You can't even recognize sarcasm when you read it. CajunBlazer May 2016 #63
I think you need to look at NW profile. artislife May 2016 #81
I would love being on you ignore list CajunBlazer May 2016 #83
See, you don't give a shit about issues artislife May 2016 #84
Bam!!! 840high May 2016 #29
Sanders "we" is Clinton "me" HassleCat May 2016 #3
He is a trim tab in the Buckminster Fuller sense... Cooley Hurd May 2016 #4
He thinks that he's won the nomination KingFlorez May 2016 #5
Lol! jazzwinders May 2016 #51
Downticket Dems. Oh wait... JaneyVee May 2016 #7
Why so angry? ScreamingMeemie May 2016 #8
Was just going to post the same thing. bigwillq May 2016 #12
Good. Started out with no orders... ended up with 3. ScreamingMeemie May 2016 #14
Oh, love when that happens. bigwillq May 2016 #19
Any time I can help; it's sunny here now... ScreamingMeemie May 2016 #24
Hysterical bigwillq May 2016 #30
Oh me too... ScreamingMeemie May 2016 #31
WE are cool people. WE are awesome. WE are funny. bigwillq May 2016 #33
WE do... ScreamingMeemie May 2016 #34
Same here. bigwillq May 2016 #36
I'm not angry, but the man is knowingly lying to his supporters CajunBlazer May 2016 #35
Hmmm... you simply seem angry. ScreamingMeemie May 2016 #38
Well if you don't want to do those things, then I can see your point in not wanting to be part of highprincipleswork May 2016 #9
You are not getting anything done CajunBlazer May 2016 #37
Enjoy your bitterness. I'll have none of it. highprincipleswork May 2016 #85
If you want to hear more "I"s and "me"s switch to the Hillary speech. Loudestlib May 2016 #10
She can say I and we, she is winning CajunBlazer May 2016 #39
She's winning democrats. Loudestlib May 2016 #43
All hat... no cattle.... CherokeeDem May 2016 #11
Clinton is a master at word salad Armstead May 2016 #16
Why yes... she is quite articulate.... CherokeeDem May 2016 #32
Reminiscent of Palin. Loudestlib May 2016 #45
It's easy to express grandious dream in a few words. CajunBlazer May 2016 #40
"We the people of the United States", yeah wtf were they thinking n/t yodermon May 2016 #13
"We" are the millions of families who cannot afford a $500 emergency. RadiationTherapy May 2016 #15
You are probably rich, so you are niot part of the "we" CajunBlazer May 2016 #42
You nailed it! RadiationTherapy May 2016 #65
Clinton would not even say she supports a $12 minimum wage if not for Sanders. Ash_F May 2016 #17
It's easy to say an old BS. Prove it! CajunBlazer May 2016 #44
She lobbied against a 61 cent minimum wage for Haitians. Ash_F May 2016 #48
You have provided no proof that's true. CajunBlazer May 2016 #58
Read about the story and learn about how it speaks to her interests. Ash_F May 2016 #61
The "we" doesn't include right-wingers so don't worry about it. Broward May 2016 #18
Are you calling me a right winger? CajunBlazer May 2016 #46
Are you supporting Hillary because of her policy positions? Broward May 2016 #62
Yes, I am looking forward to a third Clinton term CajunBlazer May 2016 #64
LOL! boston bean May 2016 #20
Yeah...because voting for Hillary to maintain the status quo is SO AWESOME! Roland99 May 2016 #21
"We" progressives. 'You' moderate republicans can get on board or not. Joe the Revelator May 2016 #22
Hillary is going to be "your" candidate whether you like it or not CajunBlazer May 2016 #49
She won't be 'my' candidate, but she has killed 'my' party with her personal ambition. Joe the Revelator May 2016 #70
Well I guess it isn't "your party" anymore CajunBlazer May 2016 #78
That's a shame. If you're right, and Hillary is the nominee, I'm fairly sure we'll get to pick a Joe the Revelator May 2016 #80
....As opposed to Hillary's "I" TheCowsCameHome May 2016 #23
I look at it as a call to all of us to make it happen Blaukraut May 2016 #26
Overall I agree. We is in reference to Democrats. NCTraveler May 2016 #27
If he isn't thrown out of the caucus if making too many demands for his support CajunBlazer May 2016 #53
Clinton will have his vote on legislation. NCTraveler May 2016 #57
I think he will push to get big concessions on all of his major issues CajunBlazer May 2016 #74
Uh, heads up....you already posted that very interesting question~~ Peregrine Took May 2016 #28
"We" refers to Bernie and the voters, the people! Not the "I" this and "I" that amborin May 2016 #41
Exactly CajunBlazer May 2016 #54
Hillary and her supporters need to get onthe Bernie train! amborin May 2016 #66
Not the ones on DU CajunBlazer May 2016 #69
Bernie Sanders : How Change Happens slipslidingaway May 2016 #47
Tell me - what young socialist is going to pick up the baton when Sanders retires? CajunBlazer May 2016 #55
The shrinking middle class will pick up the baton, it is not about one person, hence the use of WE! slipslidingaway May 2016 #59
Sure, I know a bunch of socialist in the "shrinking middle class" CajunBlazer May 2016 #72
Not sure why you think tossing out a label is more important than arguing for or against ... slipslidingaway May 2016 #86
WE the citizens of this country. Shouldn't Congress and our President be working Nanjeanne May 2016 #50
You are not representative "the citizens of this country" CajunBlazer May 2016 #56
Oh so Bernie Sqnders isn't a citizen then? Sorry didn't realize that. He and I have no Nanjeanne May 2016 #60
When people say "we" want .... and when thety say "we" the mean the entire country... CajunBlazer May 2016 #67
You asked who this "we" is. I told you. You don't like my answer. Stop lecturing me. Nanjeanne May 2016 #68
Then don't get upset when I find your answer disingenious. CajunBlazer May 2016 #71
I posted my response. You tell me my response is crap. Since my response Nanjeanne May 2016 #73
Okay, let's just say that I considere you 'misinformed" and leave it at that CajunBlazer May 2016 #75
Works for me. We doesn't mean citizens. Nanjeanne May 2016 #77
Never though it did CajunBlazer May 2016 #79
Why bother to torture yourself by listening to anything Bernie says at this point? I certainly don't bjo59 May 2016 #52
you seem angry Vattel May 2016 #76
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Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
1. So if because of Bernie many of these things happen under President Clinton, he still
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:38 PM
May 2016

gets no credit?

Why do you dislike him so much?

All honest people must admit that much of what can happen now, is because of him.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
81. I think you need to look at NW profile.
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:26 PM
May 2016

It may spell it out for you.

And how did you magically get off my ignore list.

This is like the 6th one of you people.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
83. I would love being on you ignore list
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:30 PM
May 2016

I could talk about you and you wouldn't even know about it to defend yourself. That would be fun. Take care of that would you.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
84. See, you don't give a shit about issues
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:32 PM
May 2016

just ego driven posting.

I don't bother posting about you. No one would care.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
3. Sanders "we" is Clinton "me"
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:39 PM
May 2016

One says we will do this, we will do that. The other says I will do this, I will do that. Neither is correct, I suppose. Take your pick.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
4. He is a trim tab in the Buckminster Fuller sense...
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:39 PM
May 2016

Like it or not, but Senator Sanders has impacted this race in most meaningful ways.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
14. Good. Started out with no orders... ended up with 3.
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:44 PM
May 2016

150 product descriptions.

6 category descriptions

and 4 buying guides. Yay.

How about you?

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
19. Oh, love when that happens.
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:49 PM
May 2016

LOL

At least you're busy?

I'm ok. At work now. It's kind of slow because it rained AGAIN here in CT. Thanks for sending the rain this way. Hope it's getting better down there with the weather.



Trying to find a cool political meme to post on Instagram. LOL

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
33. WE are cool people. WE are awesome. WE are funny.
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:05 PM
May 2016

WE care about other human beings. WE care about this planet. WE love. WE FIGHT for what is right. WE survive.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
34. WE do...
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:12 PM
May 2016

...and always will.

The one great thing that I take away from all these years at DU, is a terrific friend.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
35. I'm not angry, but the man is knowingly lying to his supporters
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:13 PM
May 2016

Now if you are saying that his supporters know he is lying and don't mind - that's really sad.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
9. Well if you don't want to do those things, then I can see your point in not wanting to be part of
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:40 PM
May 2016

the "we, the people" that will get that done.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
37. You are not getting anything done
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:15 PM
May 2016

You supported a defeated candidate that is either lying to his supporters or lying to himself. I wouldn't mind one bit if he continued to press for his issues, but implying that he can still win is flat bullshit.

CherokeeDem

(3,709 posts)
11. All hat... no cattle....
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:41 PM
May 2016

I could give that same speech and get the same response.

Just once I wish Sanders would say how 'we' are going to accomplish all these things.

Same speech every time I see him... nothing new. He's tapping into emotion just as Trump is.... no substance from either one of them.



 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
16. Clinton is a master at word salad
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:44 PM
May 2016

She says in 300 words the exact same thing that Sanders can say in 50.....Hers is filled with all kinds of nice empty phrases that lack protein.

CherokeeDem

(3,709 posts)
32. Why yes... she is quite articulate....
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:03 PM
May 2016

and she puts forth plans to solve the issues Bernie so glowingly pontificates about.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
15. "We" are the millions of families who cannot afford a $500 emergency.
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:44 PM
May 2016

"We" are the millions of families with stagnant wages and negative purchasing power.

"We" are the millions of families crushed by health insurance companies who insert themselves between us and our caregivers.

And so on

And so on

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
58. You have provided no proof that's true.
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:34 PM
May 2016

And even if it were, what does that have to do with $12 minimum wage in this country. I will say right now that I am all for a $15 dollar minimum wage in China - what does that have what I support in this country?

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
46. Are you calling me a right winger?
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:21 PM
May 2016

Of course from your prospective everyone to the right of Bernie Sanders is a right winger so probably you are.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
49. Hillary is going to be "your" candidate whether you like it or not
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:23 PM
May 2016

At least I didn't pick a socialist to support; if that makes me a moderate Democrat, so be it.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
78. Well I guess it isn't "your party" anymore
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:20 PM
May 2016

unless you want it to be "your party".

Hillary is going to be President for the next 8 years even if not one of Sanders fans on DU vote for her. You have better get used to it.

Of course, even in your opinion it could be worse if Trump or Cruz were to win (of course they won't), but still, just think of all of the reasons you will be able to find to bitch about during her two terms in the White House.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
80. That's a shame. If you're right, and Hillary is the nominee, I'm fairly sure we'll get to pick a
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:23 PM
May 2016

real progressive in 2020 to beat back Trump's second term.

Luckily, we still have a chance right now to nominate Bernie.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
26. I look at it as a call to all of us to make it happen
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:54 PM
May 2016

Regardless of who wins the nomination. There are a lot of things to be outraged about, but this isn't one of them.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
53. If he isn't thrown out of the caucus if making too many demands for his support
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:25 PM
May 2016

Then he will truly be a man without a party.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
57. Clinton will have his vote on legislation.
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:32 PM
May 2016

It's been been around two months since he voted with the republicans on legislation. I do worry as he has been known to side with them on major pieces of legislation like when voted against a pathway to citizenship for over ten million people. But more often than not he will be a Clinton voter. Including in the GE.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
74. I think he will push to get big concessions on all of his major issues
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:10 PM
May 2016

If he is smart he will settle for minor concessions which won't hurt Hillary in the general election. If he makes too much of a public stink, after the election he might well get his status in the Democratic caucus reduced dramatically. And if that happens his usefulness to the State of Vermont will be questionable at best.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
66. Hillary and her supporters need to get onthe Bernie train!
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:44 PM
May 2016

HRC will not get the nomination. Moreover, she is under FBI investigation, initiated by the IG that Obama appointed. This is serious. She has violated a number of laws, the least serious being bypassing FOIA rules. But much more than that. Dismiss this at your own peril.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
69. Not the ones on DU
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:55 PM
May 2016

Everyone of Sanders's supporters on DU could vote third party or sit on their hands during the general election and they wouldn't make up one thousand of one percent difference in the voting totals in any state. And that goes for the Hillary supporters on DU as well.

Let's not over emphasize the importance of anything said or done here. We are about as important to the general election as internet polls.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
72. Sure, I know a bunch of socialist in the "shrinking middle class"
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:03 PM
May 2016

Just in case it isn't clear to you

But exactly which up and coming socialist politician will rise up to lead the "revolution" when Sanders is gone from the scene?

The "masses" don't lead the revolutions; they are rudderless without leaders. Who is going to lead the revolution?

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
86. Not sure why you think tossing out a label is more important than arguing for or against ...
Tue May 3, 2016, 10:57 PM
May 2016

an issue.

Leaders emerge that we cannot always foresee, it happens when people finally have had enough and take a stand. At some point a person emerges for their defiance to an injustice and people rally behind her or him.

That part of history is yet to be written, but we are seeing the beginning of the movement for economic equality.



CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
56. You are not representative "the citizens of this country"
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:31 PM
May 2016

Your candidate was outvoted by millions of vote and didn't even get the nomination.

Nanjeanne

(4,950 posts)
60. Oh so Bernie Sqnders isn't a citizen then? Sorry didn't realize that. He and I have no
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:36 PM
May 2016

say I guess. I understand now. Citizens don't get to ask anything of our country. Mama Clinton will make all decisions. Her supporters will follow behind saying "thank you oh wise woman" and the citizens aren't allow to ask anything of our leaders I guess.

Thanks for the civics lesson. So valuable.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
67. When people say "we" want .... and when thety say "we" the mean the entire country...
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:48 PM
May 2016

....they (you) are being disingenuous when it is clear that their positions are not representative of the majority of their fellow citizens. And that my friend is extremely clear. Otherwise your candidate would not have got his butt beat.

Nanjeanne

(4,950 posts)
68. You asked who this "we" is. I told you. You don't like my answer. Stop lecturing me.
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:51 PM
May 2016

Don't ask a question if you don't want an answer. I'm sure you can have the conversation you want to have with the voices in your own head. Go Hillary!!!!

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
71. Then don't get upset when I find your answer disingenious.
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:58 PM
May 2016

Just because a question is asked doesn't provide you with some kind of magical immunity if your give a untruthful answer.

Nanjeanne

(4,950 posts)
73. I posted my response. You tell me my response is crap. Since my response
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:08 PM
May 2016

is mine -- it really can't be untruthful but its amusing you need it to be. Hat I hear when someone says WE is mine to own. The word WE means citizens to me. Obviously not to you. But I don't hear with hillary ears.

UPSET? You overestimate your power over my thoughts. Magical immunity? You are wonderful really. I enjoy laughing and you have truly made my night. Thanks.

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
52. Why bother to torture yourself by listening to anything Bernie says at this point? I certainly don't
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:25 PM
May 2016

listen to Clinton's speeches at this point. What's the point? We all know where we stand.

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