2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders Challenges Secretary Clinton To A Debate In California
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511894785hack89
(39,171 posts)let California vote and then move on to the convention. We have the GE to prepare for.
TimPlo
(443 posts)I am sure there are other people living in CA that do not spend 24/7 following the stupid horse race till it gets close to their state. And it seems for first time in very long time CA could be a major factor in this election. And reading in this thread it seems Clinton ad made a deal to have a May one. To back out now is rather dishonest and it might not be a good idea for her to do this. I mean how are people suppose to vote for her if she backs out of a debate she agreed too. What else would she go back on? Her college plan or Abortion issues?
Buzz cook
(2,471 posts)If you want to watch a debate, they're out there.
Demsrule86
(68,543 posts)You should have watched them while the race was still on..no need to subject the Democratic nominee to Sanders attacks.
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Qutzupalotl
(14,300 posts)It's still okay to vote for Bernie. Winning Oregon and Kentucky would give him momentum going into California. A yuge win in California would put him very close to Clinton's pledged delegate number, or even slightly ahead.
THAT's why the other camp wants him to drop out now. Hell no!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)And California! The liberal states vote last. That's how the system is rigged.
Bernie knows this.
We need debate for California.
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)Early on, debates were a huge deal for Bernie, because he needed the exposure, the name recognition, the free media coverage that comes along with them. But frankly, I don't think he's the best debater. After all the wrangling over the New York debate, I am skeptical that it helped him at all in New York. Unless Hillary falls into some gaffe, I'm not sure a CA debate would help him there, either.
Demsrule86
(68,543 posts)Indiana shows it is over for him...he did not win by near enough votes...they basically split delegates. It doesn't matter. I doubt he will win California...but it doesn't matter. It is over.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Demsrule86
(68,543 posts)she also won Ohio, Indiana and pennsylvania...it did not matter.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)hopefully she will not try and back out of this commitment as she did with the April debate promise when they tried to use some silly excuse about "tone."
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)agreed to additional debates at the end of January, because She really wanted the debate before NH and never imagined that Sanders would have gained the votes and thought it was all going to be over with in March ... lack of foresight and judgement displayed once again!
In essence her commitments to voters mean absolutely nothing.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)until he wins a state.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)on a promise.
That tells us what to expect if Clinton takes office, promises mean nothing.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)I'd prefer a Sanders/Stein ticket with Warren as Secretary of the Treasury or possibly the Chair of the Fed Reserve.
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)Yes, she really wanted the New Hampshire debate, and in order to get it, she promised Bernie more debates in the future, which she presumably hoped wouldn't matter, i.e. Bernie would be defeated by then. That was the gamble she took then, as I discussed at http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511133521
Having made that agreement, as long as Bernie still wants that last debate and it's technically not wrapped up yet, she should keep her word.
Demsrule86
(68,543 posts)It would be a waste of time...we don't need finger wagging attacks on our nominee. He would only help Trump. He should get out now.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)her agreements? So her word meaningless?
There will be one more debate. Bank on it.
Demsrule86
(68,543 posts)And guess what ...she does not have to do anymore...what would be the point? I don't want Bernie up there attacking our nominee thanks very much. He and Trump will just have to manage without a Bernie debate...sorry Trump this is one time Bernie won't help... but no worries every time he opens his mouth he helps you... Trump.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Demsrule86
(68,543 posts)The primary is over. I do not want a bitter Bernie Sanders attacking our nominee. There is no reason for it and those of us who don't want President Trump need to concern ourselves with the General.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)just gets more exposed every time.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)Clinton wanted another debate before NH, Sanders agreed IF she would agree to additional debates.
Why is she trying to go back on her promise now? She pulled a similar stunt with the April debate complaining about 'his tone' and trying to renege on that commitment.
This was an agreed upon debate, what does she have to lose if he is such a horrible candidate as you imply.
"Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have agreed to add four more debates, including one this Thursday in New Hampshire just days before that state's primary.
The decision expands the total number of Democratic debates from six to ten, and suggests both campaigns are prepared for a drawn-out primary battle that will extend at least until May.
The first additional debate will take place in New Hampshire on Thursday. The campaigns have also agreed to a March debate in Flint, Michigan, and two more debates in April and May. The May debate is likely to take place in California.
What remains undecided is where the Democrats will hold the April debate. The Clinton campaign is pushing for a debate in Pennsylvania, given the state's importance in the general election. The Sanders campaign wants to hold that debate in Brooklyn, New York...."
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)And then her admirers wonder why we don't trust her.
We in California want another debate.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)ancianita
(36,023 posts)oasis
(49,376 posts)We've had it hearing about "Wall St., Goldman Sach, greedy one per cent and how Shakespeareian Hillary's transcripts must be".
Find yourself some sand to pound, Bernie.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)oasis
(49,376 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)why go back on that promise to voters?
I know very few people who will vote for her, but they will come out to vote for Sanders.
She owes the voters what she promised.
oasis
(49,376 posts)There, problem solved.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)and the Dems have told people that lean independent 'we do not need you.'
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)and to follow the trail of crumbs only to be smothered once again, been there, done that.
The Dems have told us they do no care, as one 66 year old voter in Indiana told me yesterday, they voted early for Sanders, it will just be politics as usual if Clinton is the candidate.
Thanks to all the people of Indiana who voted for change
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)oasis
(49,376 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)oasis
(49,376 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)and I say that as a 60+ year old female.
Any criticism of Obama was met by those who said it was racist and now we have to carefully parse our words of criticism against Clinton?
Honestly I am tired of tip toeing because I might offend someone when people assume, yes I used that word for a reason, that any criticism will be viewed from a racial and/or gender divide.
Issues are issues, we should feel free to disagree regardless of race or gender. Hillary making money off the woman card, I so disagree, it was a clever fund raising/marketing appeal, but not something I think we need to divide or highlight among people. We are all human, we come in all colors and genders.
Hillary is due for another smackdown, imagine the outrage and think about it.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)generalized stuff. I'm not impressed.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Ole.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)can't handle hearing him anymore. What else could he possibly say? We know, Wall Street bad, universal healthcare or bust, free public college (with no plans to implement any of them)...yadda, yadda, yadda
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)emotions aside and honor the commitments made months ago.
Unless commitments to voters mean nothing.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)a debate, they can go online and watch any of the old ones. Honestly, nothing has changed.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)...who won today?
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)had to register as a Dem before the first Democratic debate! Also they were not paying attention to politics as much as we were back in September 2015.
Three million independent voters did not have a say in the election, but as DWS stated the Dems do not care if they vote.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)Bernie is not going to win every remaining state by huge margins.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Really?
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)The poster seems to think all that economic justice and opportunities for the young yadda yadda is totally for losers.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Go home, Lloyd.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)she is reneging on her promise.
She committed to this debate when she wanted something. This does not bode well for her promises to voters when she wants their votes and then will turn her back once elected.
If she will do this before she is even elected there is no telling what she might do once she has the nomination, THAT is what we need to pay attention to and What is so telling. Normally candidates wait until they are elected to go back on promises, but Hillary is doing that in advance of the election.
There is a reason the majority of people do not trust her.
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)I like him better at those actually.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)MFM008
(19,804 posts)Shes in front with the numbers,
shes going to take it.
The last debate was a debacle.
NO NO NO.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)ahead of us in unifying their party. Having another debated is not going to change anyone's mind at this point and will only give the GOP more fodder for their coming attacks.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)CA is upcoming, largest electorate in the country. In both States dedicated Democratic volunteers are working hard to get people to vote, both Presidential candidates need every delegate they can win and obviously there are many Democrats running for down ticket offices and participation in those elections is also really important.
So when I see bullshit like you post, which discounts the ongoing elections and attempts to negate the hours of work other people are doing to get Democrats elected it makes me both angry and ill. How dare you claim those voters do not count?
Disgusting material. You should be banned from DU for this, this is counter to the most basic goal of DU, electing Democrats. To elect them voters have to show up.
pnwmom
(108,975 posts)Bernie has said his same five things at all of them.
And his behavior at the NY debate was atrocious.
First he asks a question about what she said and when she tries to answer, he yells, "EXCUSE ME! I believe I was speaking!"
And then, a little while later, he asks whether she will promise to raise the cap on Social security. She starts to explain her position (which is that she'll support raising the cap and/or extending the tax to other forms of income, as she's said in several other debates) but he suddenly screams at her: "ARE YOU OR ARE YOU NOT? YES OR NO?!!"
She shouldn't have anything more to do with him. He's proven he can't have a respectful debate anymore. He just wants another chance to yell at her.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Or is this something Bernie has just come up with?
pnwmom
(108,975 posts)"EXCUSE ME! I believe I was talking!" -- this just after he asked a question and she tried to answer.
And: "ARE YOU OR ARE YOU NOT! YES OR NO!" -- about raising the Social Security cap. Because she was trying to explain that she didn't JUST want to raise the cap for Social Security, she wanted to consider extending the tax to other forms of income as well.
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)Demsrule86
(68,543 posts)She is in the general. He needs to end his campaign and climb on board the Clinton express in order to beat Donald Trump...everyone knows where the candidates stand. We don't need finger wagging attack on our nominee by Bernie Sanders.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Sanders is irrelevant.
Darb
(2,807 posts)We got it. We voted for Hillary.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)but there's really no reason for Hillary to engage in another one.
She's won the primary. She should be focusing on the General.
Sid
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JSup
(740 posts)...and debate Trump instead.
PufPuf23
(8,767 posts)Lots of Democratic voters here.
Bring us all up to date on the status of their campaign.
Touch on what the Democratic national platform should be for the 2016 general election.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Last edited Wed May 4, 2016, 05:58 PM - Edit history (1)
Isn't that on his bucket list?
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)You're welcome.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)And today I got a twofer!
I feel very special.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Get out now Sanders
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)A display of diplomacy.