FACT: Clinton won Indiana in '08..

[Jack Bone]

Same candidate, same State...loses it tonight, 8 yrs later, after many pundits and party leaders have assured voters that she's the likely nominee.

Why aren't the pundits talking about this?

Is this a 1st of this season? Will she drop more States that she won in '08? Is it a harbinger of things to come?

Tonight, Indiana thinks that Mrs Clinton isn't likely anything...let alone the party's nominee!!

[UMTerp01]

1. Fact: She was running against the Black guy in '08

The people she was winning in '08, particularly white men, are not on her side this cycle nearly in the way they were in 2008. She is openly embracing President Obama instead of running from him. So there's a lot of dynamics about this cycle that are the reason why she's won some of the same states and lost others she won in '08.

[northernsouthern]

4. So she got the anti black vote last election?

But this time she lost the anti-jewish? Polls show people are more likely to vote for a black man as president and woman than a jewish man. Also age dynamics, I think 8 years of fresh votes and all the younger people that voted from before are on Bernie's side. Also could be the independent backlash for all of the hate they have been getting from the DNC. Also could be enthusiasm, the people that support Bernie have proven they are far more enthusiastic, she wins with mail in votes, ballot harvested votes, and closed elections...so with all of the drumming that this is over, enough people may have stayed home? This could be an outlier, but the votes seem way lower than in 2008.

[hedda_foil]

5. That's a pretty big claim you're making.

If polls are indeed showing that people would vote for a black man or a woman before a Jewish candidate, please produce them.

[northernsouthern]

6. Oh easy...

There are tons of them, here is one...



http://www.gallup.com/poll/155285/atheists-muslims-bias-presidential-candidates.aspx


Boom!

And F@ck you america for not voting on policies, but on race and sex. Those polls always piss me off because Atheists are at the bottom.

[dchill]

29. So fucking tired of what passes for Xtianity...

In this country.

[northernsouthern]

31. Agreed.

I was insulted when the HRC crew stated to paint Bernie as an atheist just to pull in that anti-atheist vote. Nothing more warming that seeing a democratic front-runner embracing other people's hate for your views to win.

[Jack Bone]

7. It's not racial..those same white guys in Indiana

Voted for Obama in the GE and turned Indiana blue for the 1st time since '64.

So the white guy/ black candidate notion is Bullshit...

I'd believe a generational argument before that...a great deal of her support in '08 has died...that makes more sense than the white guy/black candidate nonsense

[UMTerp01]

13. That was before 8 years of Obama demonizing

So if thats your opinion fine. I stick to mine.

[northernsouthern]

17. Wait that makes even less sense?

Your first post said...

Fact: She was running against the Black guy in '08

which implied race was a factor that helped her in 08 (basically painting them as racists)...but then you said...

That was before 8 years of Obama demonizing

...which implies they changed to racists? You know life is not a multiple choice where you can choose choose "c" or in this case "racist" for everything you don't know. Your posts is like the tootsie roll add, but with "racist" instead of "tootsie roll".

[UMTerp01]

20. Let me break this down to elementary terms

She was running against the Black guy in 2008. Therefore of course she was going to get that segment of White voters for whom Obama was never going to get their vote even in 2008

Fast forward 8 years later and she is openly embracing a guy who has been demonized for the past 8 years. Couple that with Donald Trump who is now the leader of this nationalist sentiment and Clinton wanting to expand the Obama legacy and of course she is doing worse with those voters. Her whiteness helped her in 2008. Its not helping her now, but what is definitely working against her is embracing Obama with that crowd. Sure part of it has to do with an angry rust belt electorate upset at coal and manufacturing jobs leaving as well since she's supported trade policies, but no it does not make less sense.

Its not that difficult to understand.

[northernsouthern]

21. So you are saying...

...you changed the rules for what matters to win your argument? She picked up the racists in 08 because she ran a racist campaign, but then in 2016 she is running against a jewish man which polls show far less people would vote for than a woman or black man, and she is doing worse?

[Demsrule86]

26. WVA hates Obama and is one of the most racist states in the country

They went for Bernie.

[northernsouthern]

28. Lol, try another spin...Hillary won the most racist states...

I will give you a hint, her best win was in one of the all time top listed states...one that had a movie about it

Illinois.
Florida.
Louisiana.
Arkansas.
Tennessee.
North Carolina.
Alabama.
Georgia.
2. Mississippi
1. Texas.

https://theafrikanvoice.wordpress.com/2015/06/19/top-10-most-racist-states-in-america/

[UMTerp01]

36. More of a Black population

...ya know...those folks that Bernie can't seem to court.

[northernsouthern]

38. Not sure what your point was of that?

I posted that she won the most racist states and backed it up with evidence. Also WV had the largest democratic turnout to support Obama...so try and spin racism how you like, but the proof was in the election...I think she won Texas last election too...odd how it is at the top of the list.

[uponit7771]

40. The point was clear, there's still a lot of racist in the DNC who don't like PoC and they vote SBS

... like they voted HRC in 08.

Now that HRC is embracing the black presidents policies of course she's not going to win the states with LESS progressive blacks in them.

[Jitter65]

32. Trying to make people admit to the obvious is just plain foolish. nt

[Recursion]

2. Our primary schedule gives the South, and no other region, a veto. They exercised it.

It's been over since then.

We can question the wisdom of that, but it is what it is.

[hrmjustin]

3. She won several states in 2008 and lost them this time.

[Jack Bone]

10. Please list them...I know of none, other than IN

N/t

[StevieM]

11. She also won Oklahoma, Rhode Island and New Hampshire in 2008 but lost them this time.

She lost Missouri, Illinois, Iowa, Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana in 2008. She won them this time around.

She is also expected to lose West Virginia, South Dakota and possibly Kentucky, all states that she won in 2008.

The map is different this time around.

[hrmjustin]

12. NH, RI, IN, OK and MI as far as I remember.

In 2008 she lost and won this time CT, MD, VA, NC, SC, GA, AL, MS, LO, IL, and IA as far as I know.

[Cali_Democrat]

23. North Carolina, Virginia, Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana.....

...and many others.

You're way off lol.

[Demsrule86]

25. WVA for one and Michigan

[Jitter65]

33. West Virginia... the racism is clearly apparent. Now replace by sexism and just plain dislike of

her who is too close to the black buy in the White House. Stop pretending that you don't understand this.

[northernsouthern]

39. She won Texas and Arkansas both times.

...so very odd she would pick up those states.

[PATRICK]

8. I don't know

but for some reason weeks ago Evan Bayh didn't appear too happy about her chances. I have no idea notr have i any idea what the big California machinery, cities or voter blocs will do. It seems no one want to give us either the honest appraisals or an honest election or too many honest reasons why Bernie is "unacceptable".

[amborin]

9. As people have learned more info about her misdeeds, she is liked less and less.

[mythology]

16. And yet Sanders hasn't been able to come close in the delegate count

So maybe they don't like her, but that would logically suggest they don't like Sanders either.

[Demsrule86]

27. If she is so disliked and all

How did she manage to beat St. Bernie?

[Dem2]

14. If delegates are what matter, she won Indiana this time too

46-44

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/IN-D

[Garrett78]

15. She's relying on the voters who supported Obama against her in '08.

The natural result is that some states she won in '08 are less of a focus and are going to go for her opponent this time around.

[JoePhilly]

18. The search for a new metric continues.

[auntpurl]

19. For real. nt

[brooklynite]

22. Fact: Clinton lost Virginia in '08...

...also Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Missouri, Illinois, Connecticut and Iowa.

Why aren't the pundits taking about this?

[silvershadow]

30. She also lost the primary. nt

[Demsrule86]

24. Fact

She won 9 primaries at the end of the primary which is why Bernie's huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge wins don't mean a damn thing...Fact no one cares about Indiana or WVA where the GOP put Bernie over the top.

[onenote]

35. maybe the pundits aren't talking about it

because the candidate that lost the Indiana primary in 2008 won the nomination and then was elected president -- twice.

The question is why didn't that occur to you as the answer?

[pdsimdars]

37. In '08 her biggest win over Obama was W Va. We saw how that went this year.