2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhere are the headlines about Bernie's Indiana victory?
It's surreal, the silence.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Even in the face of overwhelming evidence that contradicts their theories. Google "Sanders wins Indiana" and you get more than 9 *million* hits.
Go to the sites for every major newspaper and television news channel and you'll find a headline about Sanders winning Indiana. Go to HuffPo. Go to MoveOn. Go to Daily Kos. Go to Yahoo. Go to Politico. Every single one has an article about Sanders's win in Indiana.
Sure, Trump Mania has gotten more media coverage throughout this campaign (and Cruz dropping out is legitimately big news) than the Democratic race has gotten, but it's crazy to suggest there aren't headlines all over the web about Sanders winning Indiana.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)There's no big headline because there is no big news.
Bernie has now fallen farther behind. Yes, he is slightly less farther behind than he would have been if he had taken fewer than half of Indiana's delegates, but...big deal.
This is why Hillary went off to Appalachia and didn't invest money in Indiana. She has started putting everything she has into the GE. You'll have heard that Trump has all but clinched the GOP nomination. THAT's the headline.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Bernie has the American public ATM machine.
IamMab
(1,359 posts)Keep pretending, though. It's all you have left.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)her fund to make the amount she did. Bernie's is individual supporters...and now in 12 hours thousands of more supporters chipped in.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Little_Wing
(417 posts)Right? Like we won't notice if they are vewy vewy qwiet...
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Any site you go to that covers politics (newspaper websites, cable news channel websites, Yahoo, etc.) has a headline about Sanders beating Clinton in Indiana.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)So I guess you are wrong - again!
CNN does have a small headline - however Trump has a full photo and three story lines...and Cruz who has dropped out has far more coverage than Bernie's win.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Indiana primaries--Sanders, Trump win and Cruz drops out
Why would you make a claim that is so easily disputed? It took me all of about 5 seconds to find those.
Washington Post, Washington Times, Los Angeles Times, New York Times, CNN, MSNBC and on and on and on...every single one has a headline about Sanders winning Indiana.
If your argument is that Trump Mania has gotten the most media coverage throughout this campaign, I'm in complete agreement. The media loves a horse race (enough that they'll invent one) and the media loves a freak show.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)bjo59
(1,166 posts)negative for tomorrow's news cycle.
hack89
(39,181 posts)the percentage of remaining delegates He has to win is larger now than before. " Victories " like this are killing his last remaining hopes.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)He is FURTHER behind his delegate targets today than he was yesterday.
Congratulations on the "victory."
leveymg
(36,418 posts)They didn't even run a banner showing the Democratic results while blathering on about Cruz and the GOP rollout. Sickening display of media blackout.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)except for Wolf asking "will Bernie's eventual departure be done in a way to hurt or help the Democratic party?"
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)(And who are, at this very moment, nursing a severe case of butthurt.)
COLGATE4
(14,886 posts)Could it possibly be that she didn't spend a penny there because a) she didn't need it and b) it doesn't make a penny's worth of difference to improving Bernie's non-chance for being the nominee?
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)lastone
(588 posts)Not even hufpo had ANY headline that even mentioned Bernie by name when against all fucking odds he beat Clinton in Indiana.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Last edited Wed May 4, 2016, 03:39 AM - Edit history (2)
Bernie Sanders Wins Indiana Democratic PrimaryI truly don't know how some of you are missing these headlines. Every site you go to that covers politics has a headline about Sanders winning Indiana.
pat_k
(13,376 posts)So at least folks in the UK know about it:
Bernie Sanders pulls off shock victory in Indiana Democratic primary
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511894249
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)LA Times, NY Times, Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, USA Today, etc., etc., etc.
As well as Yahoo and the sites for the various cable news networks.
Trump Mania has gotten more coverage throughout this campaign, but it's crazy to suggest there aren't headlines all over the Internet about Sanders beating Clinton in Indiana.
pat_k
(13,376 posts)Most seem to be something like:
"Sanders wins, but Hillary is still unstoppable"
Or
"Trump and Sanders win, Cruz drops out."
Just sayin'
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Yahoo says, "Sanders threw a wrench in Clinton's pivot to November." Washington post says, "Sanders upsets Clinton." LA Times says, "Sanders wins Indiana, keeping his movement alive." Politico says, "Sanders surprises Clinton in Indiana." And so forth.
Indiana fits the profile of a Sanders state, so I'm not sure why anyone really familiar with this race would express surprise at him winning Indiana.
The media loves a horse race. Making the Clinton-Sanders race seem close is in the media's interest.
The conspiracy theorists have lost touch with reality to such an extent that they are making claims that are ridiculously easy to disprove. The author of this thread says 'even HuffPo didn't have a word about Sanders's win when I started this thread'. When, in reality, HuffPo posted a headline and article about Sanders's victory hours before this thread was started.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)They display many Corrupt Media sources. It's all Trump, Cruz and they even throw in some Kasich.
Not. One. Word.
Could be Google is being selective (and extraordinarily biased). I'll have to look around.
news.google.com IS surreal.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)Big headline: TRUMP, CRUZ
Tiny, tiny print: Sanders wins Indiana.
Clicked on "more on Sanders Indiana" and got a list of headlines--some very biased:
USA Today: "Sanders wins Indiana but Clinton looks to November" (but...?)
Slate: "Sanders may have lost the war, but he won Indiana" (jeez)
CBS calls it an "upset."
There's a lot more. Lots of headlines, not all snippy.
The L.A. Times is interesting: "Sanders wins Indiana, keeping his movement alive."
I'm going to read that one, cuz it's L.A. Be back.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)All Clinton "talking points," including a lot of sneaky ones.
No surprise. The Los Angeles Times has always been wrong. (I was born there and lived half my life there. I know.)
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Of course, they crossed that threshold a long time ago.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)Maybe they'll talk about Sanders on Friday.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)TUESDAY, MAY 3, 2016, 11:35 P.M.
Sanders wins Indiana, keeps movement alive
http://www.spokesman.com/nation-world/
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)He's worse off than he was before in terms of the percentage of remaining delegates he needs to win.
And with Cruz dropping out and Trump becoming the GOP nominee, there are a lot bigger stories for the media to cover.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)It isn't that media isn't covering Sanders's win for reason X, Y and Z. The media *is* covering his victory and claims to the contrary are ridiculously easy to disprove. The fact is there are headlines about Sanders's victory all over the place.
In fact, it's in the media's interest to make the race seem closer than it is.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)The premise of this OP is untrue. It seems well within character for some Bernie supporters to complain about how unfair everything is for their candidate even when he wins.
MFM008
(20,042 posts)The rest of the world can count delegates.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)USA Today: Sanders wins Indiana, but Clinton looks to November
Politico: Sanders surprises Clinton in Indiana
The Atlantic: Bernie Sanders Gets a Boost in Indiana
CBS News: Bernie Sanders wins Indiana primary in an upset
Wall Street Journal: Bernie Sanders Wins Indiana Primary, Still Faces Uphill Delegate Battle
Washington Post: How Bernie Sanders beat the polls and won Indiana
People Magazine: Bernie Sanders Wins Indiana Primary in Shock Victory, As Donald Trump is Named Presumptive GOP Nominee
Fox: Bernie Sanders defeats Hillary Clinton in Indiana primary
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Grand conspiracy theorists often make claims that are easily disputed, but disputing those claims tends to result in them becoming even more entrenched in their beliefs. It's bothersome but also rather fascinating.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Everyone has been posting (on the Bernie side) that he needs 68% win...he needs huuuuge wins. He did not get that...with proportionality...they will split delegates...small gain.Bernie knows this. He also lost among Democrats. His plan is to go to the convention and as the supers to give it to him based on electability. They won't. He is done. The sooner we end this now that Trump is the GOP candidate and turn our sights to the general the better.
"Mr. Sanders and his aides acknowledged it was virtually impossible for him to overtake her lead in pledged delegates, the type chosen by voters. Instead, they said he would work to win over super delegates, party leaders who can vote for whomever they like and who currently favor Mrs. Clinton by a wide margin.
Mr. Sanders said Tuesday that superdelegates have got to take a hard look at which candidate is more likely to defeat Donald Trump or whoever the Republican nominee may be.
Im the stronger candidate, he said"
From the Wall Street Journal
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)it's not really the biggest news of the day.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)by the Baseball Commissioner before the World Series. The focus should be on the teams that could enter and win the series, instead.
Sancho
(9,205 posts)This morning, MSNBC and CNN talked about his inevitable loss. He'd need 101% of remaining delegates (according to CNN) at this point. He's bernt toast.
If Bernie wants to be considered by the Democratic party, then he needs to play nice. For example, Ted Cruz's political future is not over.
Bernie is burning bridges at this point. He will have to come around and support Hillary and quit wasting money if he wants to get respect. Otherwise, his platform plank will be "included" and ignored thereafter.
Hillary got the SoS appointment because of her support for Obama. If Bernie wants a future (and maybe he doesn't), then he needs to do the same. If not, the best he can expect in 2017 is an appointment as ambassador to Denmark never to be seen again.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)She released her delegates without a floor fight, not "because of her support for Obama." There were others more qualified for the job and more supportive of Obama, but she got it because she had leverage.
While no Presidential candidate has ever been charged with violating 18 U.S.C. § 599, Promise of appointment by
candidate, and scholars argue it doesn't apply to "legitimate" political horsetrading, it is still technically a crime, so both parties always deny it ever happens.
Sancho
(9,205 posts)Hillary was qualified and the proof was the excellent job that she did.
Had she been adversarial to the Obama and the Democratic party, she would not have been considered.
That's not a crime or violation - it's the way the world works.
Bernie is too stubborn or stupid to see that he's soon going out to a pasture in Vermont.
Citing criminal law does not have anything to do with someone actually breaking the law. Hillary is a top notch lawyer (as you probably know). She is not a law-breaker. No one on earth has been scrutinized more.
Posting CTs, as you often do, says more about your character than anything factual in the post. As you say, no President has been charged and likely they never will be charged, because "scholars" can't even agree if or when it exists.
Does that mean Bernie is guilty of the same thing? He certainly has done his share of political horse-trading!
COLGATE4
(14,886 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)I do it as a diversion from work. I'm supposed to drafting an Motion to Reopen and Reconsider right now.
COLGATE4
(14,886 posts)of someone playing M.D. on these boards.
COLGATE4
(14,886 posts)sheshe2
(97,631 posts)You may want to debug your page.
George II
(67,782 posts)beaglelover
(4,466 posts)William769
(59,147 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)It's in the news but that is going to eclipse everything else.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)The media did it's best to make him competitive, but after New York and Pennsylvania rejected resoundingly, the media finally quit pushing the idea that he was a real threat.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Every headline about "upset" or such must bern. How thoughtful of them.
Tarc
(10,601 posts)Y'all gotta get over the #berniemath.
Bleacher Creature
(11,504 posts)Couldn't have said it any better (or more succinctly).
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)They were all over the place.
No, it doesn't change the fact that Clinton will be the nominee. But please don't feed the ridiculous conspiracy theorists by going along with their false premise. There were headlines in every major newspaper, the website for every television news network, headlines at Yahoo, headlines at Politico and Daily Kos and HuffPo and MoveOn, and on and on and on.
JanetLovesObama
(548 posts)delegates is newsworthy??????? Really? He spent one million dollars there and campaigned non-stop. Hillary spent not one dime and campaigned there once. And she still ended up with more delegates.
Gothmog
(179,869 posts)There is no news here
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)As it stands now, even with the win, it wasn't big enough. Going forward, his path is even STEEPER and more NARROW. The percentages he needs to win by grow even LARGER and are much more DIFFICULT to achieve.
It's a morale booster, but the nominee is decided by delegates ... and Bernie still comes up short.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)lastone
(588 posts)you think your candidate can win w/out Sanders supporters, you've got another thing coming notsocool...
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Gothmog
(179,869 posts)This was not a win and I doubt that Sanders small dollar donors will be paying any attention. Sanders is not going to be the nominee and without a credible path to the nomination, Sanders small dollar donors are not gong to fund his waste