2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary supporters need to stop panicking.
Yes, she'll be the nominee and she'll decimate Trump. The General Election is very different from the primaries. She'll destroy him in debates. He won't throw her off her game. He's wildly undisciplined. His organization doesn't compare to hers. I've read that her campaign has tons of as yet unrevealed dirt on him. He's incapable of pivoting to a more palatable GE candidate. The republican party is hopelessly fractured.
seaglass
(8,171 posts)These folks project a great deal.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Sanders and his supporters, and unless her supporters become more energized and rally around her she will bear a very heavy weight and it could be come demoralizing.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)But we should all start decimating Trump immediately because he is the GOP nominee.
cali
(114,904 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Joob
(1,065 posts)Words from Hillary's campaign. Wonder what part they on now? Do they think they destroyed Bernie? Do they think we'll unify under Hillary's campaign with such a horrible message. No, I'll never forget.
JudyM
(29,236 posts)He attacked her qualifications 1st and it was unprovoked and sexist!!
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Even a small chance of that motherfucker being in the White House is enough to make my skin crawl.
We thought all along that he would say or do something that would destroy his campaign, but his insane jackbooted minions just lap it up. How many of them are there, that's the question?
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)We just want Bernie to understand that he lost so that we can move along to the general election. Trump is horrible, and will certainly lose, but why should we give him a month or two month head start on getting the machine rolling? If Bernie had a chance, that would be one thing. But since everyone who understands math knows it's over, he is now officially holding back the party, which is something that I can't abide by.
cali
(114,904 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)And I've noted a high degree of delusion among hillarians. For example, the batshit claim from many du Hillary supporters that Bernie is more of a hawk than Hillary.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)You said there's panic. I said there isn't. That's not the least bit wild. Check your adjective game.
While I won't compare the two, did you happen to see the post recently that linked to an article detailing how Bernie had repeatedly voted to make it the official position of the US that Saddam Hussein needed to be forcibly removed from office? I think the point the people you're talking about are making is that Bernie is not the pacifist people are believing him to be.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)The ridicule is for the author of the OP.
(I'm not a big fan of the <sarsasm> gif. If the sarcasm isn't apparent, well, so be it.)
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I get to insult so many people with so little effort and no consequences.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)and she will win in Novembers DESPITE being attacked by Trump and Sanders.
TimPlo
(443 posts)From what I understand if he wins 65% in CA then he could take pledge delegate lead? That not even counting other states. So in what world does 65% if we go by math mean 0%? Now he is not likely to win if take into consideration history. But Math does not care about history it only counts on mathematical rules. So when say he has not chance because math you are just using math wrong. If think he has not chance then you should be saying that you are basing it off your belief in that he can not get 65% of votes in CA. Even Statistics which one could use to justify your hypothesize is not really applicable in this situation because this primary at the moment has no model we can use effectively, even more so now that CA does not need to vote for a primary. It is funny that you know nothing about math and yet want to use "But since everyone who understands math knows it's over" For record I don't think Sanders will get the nomination but I am no so blinded delusional that I do not think that math can say he can't. It is my opinion not some mathematical conclusion that I could write a paper on.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)TimPlo
(443 posts)Math alone does not say he can't do it. Stop saying it is impossible as that is a lie and serves no purpose other than you try to win some how on a internet forum. We have a a few states that need to vote so why try and post stupid statements only meant to be a jerk to someone who supports Sanders. Let them think that it is possible if you are so sure it can not happen. It is not like this website is going to influence peoples votes. No one is so stupid that they would determine who vote for based on a website forums.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)TimPlo
(443 posts)I have not read this and would like to see where he said this.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)kiva
(4,373 posts)Why let those people who were silly enough to live in a state with late primaries have the right to vote for their candidate?
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)kiva
(4,373 posts)And you all wonder why many of us aren't jumping on that train.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)kiva
(4,373 posts)then wonder in November where all of the voters have gone.
potone
(1,701 posts)Some of us haven't had the opportunity to vote yet, and we would appreciate having the opportunity to vote for our candidate before the convention. Otherwise it will be impossible to unite the party behind Hillary if she does become the nominee, as looks likely.
Why are some of you Hillary voters so dismissive of the democratic process? It seems hypocritical to me that so many of her supporters on this site simultaneously complain the Bernie is not a "real Democrat" while wanting to deny Democratic voters the right to vote for our candidate.
Stop trying to bully us and we may support Hillary in the GE. Unless, of course, you don't want our votes. If that is the case, you are going about it in the right way.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Any objections, cut off the head. No more objections.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Trump beat 15 establishment candidates who had 100's of millions of dollars to spend (and they spent it!) and he destroyed each of them in turn. Some of them, in particular, Bush and Christie, had political machinery behind them as well. I do not have the optimism you do when it comes to Hillary beating Trump. Bernie absolutely could, Hillary, I doubt it.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)It's not even close.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)or use one-syllable words for your benefit.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Hypocrisy isn't just what you do say, it's also what you don't say.
cali
(114,904 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)Obama supporters were irritated when Clinton dragged it out in 08, and she was WAY closer in delegates and ahead in actual votes (with the caveat that two states screwed themselves out of counting that year). In hindsight the Obama supporters were right, though I didn't see it at the time.
Folks are weary of the Black Knight shtick. It's not a flesh wound. He's done. That's all, no panic.
'Cause yeah, she's got this.
potone
(1,701 posts)The schedule was set up this time to favor more conservative states. It makes no sense for Bernie to drop out before more liberal states, including my state of Oregon and the far larger state of California have the chance to vote.
Just be patient; you will probably win soon enough. You are harming your candidate by this steady drumbeat of calls for Bernie to drop out; it just alienates the Bernie supporters that you will need in the GE.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Most Bernie supporters will vote Clinton, some won't. No amount of nicey-nice handjobbery is going to make that second group support Hillary so it's best to stop worrying about them and move on to the real work.
"Nicey-nice handjobbery" is how you describe Democrats who wish to have the opportunity to vote for their preferred candidate. You know, you just could be wrong. Trump could win if Democrats and Independents who support Sanders simply stay home on election day, or just vote down ticket. The "real work" that you have to do is going to include giving us a reason to vote for her besides the sheer horribleness of Donald Trump.
I'm done with this conversation.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)The HillaryHaters have all gone insane! They're living in their own little fantasy world ... feeding on the lies, regurgitating the lies, and letting others feed on their regurgitation. It's a vicious cycle.
Particularly amusing is how victimized so many of them feel. How awful it must be for anyone to be in an 85% aggressive and suppressive majority and have to deal with 15% who fight back.
Argh!
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)voter turnout in all the upcoming States. Hundreds of Democratic volunteers are and will be working hard for those candidates and to bring out the votes. Good Democrats should be mindful of those volunteers, candidates and the objectives they hold, objectives this entire Party is supposed to be assisting them in obtaining.
Hillary supporters often claim she's better for down ticket candidates but telling CA not to bother because it's already over does nothing for those candidates, that's the opposite of coat tails- it's more like pulling the rug out from under them than pulling them along on our own strengths.
cali
(114,904 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)It may do 'em some good.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)The panic level from Clinton staffers has been at a fever pitch for months now. It's most likely not Trump causing it, because this was the favored matchup. Hints are that the DNC are looking at a third option if Hillary cannot cleanly cinch the nomination due to whatever is going on behind the scenes...so the obvious answer is to try and get Bernie off the field by getting his people to give up.
You know that whole thing about you go to war with the army you have? Well, you're seeing it :p
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Clearly Hillary was never destined to be a NASCAR driver, "He's turning left, he's taking another left..."
emulatorloo
(44,120 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)quantumjunkie
(244 posts)To them trump is ironically to the left of Hillary, in terms of business, and that wont do. So she will make a mint from big donations against him. Of course, as usual, Hillary is also the best investment, since she always returns the favor
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Skinner gave us the tools to make that possible.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)IamMab
(1,359 posts)And only serve to allow Bernie Sanders to grift more money to siphon towards his media consultants.
$19 million in April alone to "Old Towne Media." That's more than 703,000 donations of $27. Tad Devine also took home another $2 million for the same time period. Talk about berning through money...
nolabels
(13,133 posts)If you asked me, i would say that H and T most glaring similarities is their hateful spite and vindictiveness. This will not bode well for the rest of us no matter who gets installed. You can just look around even here at DU and see it's effects
Gothmog
(145,184 posts)I am looking forward to the general election
Beacool
(30,247 posts)I haven't seen anyone panicking. Hillary will be the nominee, will she win over Trump? Hopefully yes, the thought of the yellow haired narcissist buffoon as president is way too scary to consider.