2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDo you think the election should be delayed?
At least for the counties worst hit by the storm?
If you have a house that has been flooded or destroyed, or your car has been wrecked, or you aren't going to pick up a pay check because your place of work is damaged, you probably aren't going to prioritize voting. Really, if you are picking up the pieces of your life, voting might not be what you are thinking about. You may have lost means to identify yourself.
If transport systems are not fully functioning, you may have a problem voting. If your designated polling location is hit by flooding or power loss, it might not be ready in seven days.
Should the election be delayed?
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)In a week... all the areas will be able to vote.
TroyD
(4,551 posts)But I think the main question is who has the authority to delay an election? What are the constitutional provisions for that? I don't think it's happened in modern history.
We need to get the legal experts to tell us.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)Civil War but Lincoln overruled them. We can't control Mother Nature. The election will be held regardless.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)They were hit quite hard. The subway in NYC will be out for weeks if it got as much salt water as I think it did. LIRR and Metro North also got flooded badly.
I don't think that in a week there will be enough normality to vote in those areas.
They need to test and deploy voting machines, and hopefully, where they stored them isn't flooded.
This is a mess. The worst mess there that I have seen in my lifetime.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)GETTINGTIRED
(357 posts)ashling
(25,771 posts)and they will whine
RevStPatrick
(2,208 posts)Stop it.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)bowens43
(16,064 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Things will normalize by next week.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)states will be able to get to the polls and Dems won't in substantial numbers which could inflluence the outcome.
Democat
(11,617 posts)Elections take place around the world in worse circumstances than this.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,996 posts)I'm sure you can figure out what those reasons are.
LisaL
(47,507 posts)Some states have early voting, and some don't.
Somehow that doesn't represent a problem.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,996 posts)And neither candidate has 270 Electoral College Votes. The fiftieth state that can tip the election gets an extra week to make up their mind.
You don't see the havoc that would create.
LisaL
(47,507 posts)But if there is a state of emergency in that state, what is the alternative?
If they are out of power and not ready to vote-then that state should postpone election.
obamanut2012
(29,509 posts)Which is a good thing.
helpisontheway
(5,388 posts)66 dmhlt
(1,941 posts)thevoiceofreason
(3,440 posts)The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.
Congress has currently set the first Tuesday in November (not including the first of November). So, it would require an Act of Congress since all states MUST vote on the same day.
LisaL
(47,507 posts)"Federal law requires presidential elections to be held on the Tuesday after the first Monday in November, but it also provides that if a state "has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law, the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct.""
http://www.nj.com/us-politics/index.ssf/2012/10/could_hurricane_sandy_delay_th.html
obamanut2012
(29,509 posts)People would not be allowed to vote, and that does not refer to allowing a delay.
LisaL
(47,507 posts)FBaggins
(28,761 posts)They can craft an alternative process for casting their electoral votes (though it could face an equal protection challenge), and that process could concievably include a public vote (though it would have to occur pretty quickly)...
... but you forget that there are LOTS of other races involved, and they have to occur under existing federal rules.
treestar
(82,383 posts)voters in such a situation. True this R Congress has no shame. But that would be pretty big in the news.
obamanut2012
(29,509 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)modrepub
(4,183 posts)tired of commercials
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)Was it delayed in 1932 during the depression when millions of people were homeless?
LisaL
(47,507 posts)FBaggins
(28,761 posts)Every possible effort must be made facilitate voting. They can't delay repairing electricity in just one party's precincts for instance...
... but we don't reschedule national elections.
LisaL
(47,507 posts)If individual states are not ready, the individual states should postpone election.
The states have to pick electors by Dec 11. Which is plenty of time even if election is postponed in an individual state until they get power back.
obamanut2012
(29,509 posts)And one candidate. ALL states would have to change their election day, because everyone must vote on the same day. The December date you keep referring to defines electoral votes. What would happen is MORE voters are disenfranchised, and it will regress to what it used to be: state legs would name who the electoral voters are.
It would set a horrible precedent.
treestar
(82,383 posts)why do people assume this is not provided for? No one ever thought of it becoming a problem before this?
LisaL
(47,507 posts)A "legal black hole."
reflection
(6,287 posts)There is no precedent I'm aware of, and the freakazoids would accuse Obama of appointing himself king or some nonsense.
Plus, I think we're slightly ahead, and I like the idea of running out the clock the last 7 days with Obama performing serious Presidential duties, while Romney goes on his magical bus tour to deliver Grey Poupon to flooded-out people.
LisaL
(47,507 posts)What if election was today? Obviously we have a bunch of states under emergency.
Are they supposed to swim to their polling places?
obamanut2012
(29,509 posts)And, people voted before electricity.
Delaying an election for any reason is very scary and a bad precedent.
reflection
(6,287 posts)then I suppose precedent would have to be set, and the election delayed. But I would expect everyone involved in such an ill-prepared farce to be run out of town on a rail when the election was over, no matter what side of the fence they fall on.
But yes, I concede the point that if there truly is NO WAY to vote, then the election should be delayed in those areas.
I just hate to give the Republicans extra time to tinker with the machines while we wait late voters to get their game plan in effect.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Remember that presidential elections in this nation are indirect. We do not vote for the President, the states do. Article II, Section I of the constitution says that the electors are chosen by how the legislature directs....not by how the people vote. It is the state law that says your vote is tied to the state's electoral votes.
If you have a natural disaster big enough that an election would not be possible, and there is no way for it to happen before mid-December, the legislature would select the electors by legislative fiat. Otherwise their EVs would not be counted in the electoral college.
Florida threatened to do this in 2000.
budkin
(6,849 posts)bushisanidiot
(8,064 posts)terrorist attacks on our shores and/or all out war in the U.S.
RichGirl
(4,119 posts)Work as an election officer for at least one election. You get paid pretty well for election day and they even pay you to take classes.
Everybody needs to see how it all works. How dedicated the registrars office is to make sure (primary number #1 objective) THAT ANYONE WHO IS QUALIFIED TO VOTE WILL BE ABLE TO VOTE.
For example, in EVERY PRECINCT there is always a threat that there might be a power failure. So, every election they come equipped with paper ballots for as many people who are in the poll book. One person is assigned to take the voting machine (which is basically like a laptop) outside if a handicap or older person can't come inside. I once took machine out to a guy, so old and senile he was looking for Nixon on the machine....serious.
We have EARLY VOTING. My guess, if the situation is so bad that some can't vote on election day...they'll have LATE VOTING.
Oh...they always have a box of paper hospital gowns. I'll let you guess what those are for.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)in the next few days. Some people will be without power for a week but they will be able to drive after the trees and power lines are moved. It does not take that long on the east coast. Smaller areas take less time to clean up.
Our SOS says they will do paper ballots if needed.