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Democratopia

(552 posts)
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 08:05 AM Oct 2012

Do you think the election should be delayed?

At least for the counties worst hit by the storm?

If you have a house that has been flooded or destroyed, or your car has been wrecked, or you aren't going to pick up a pay check because your place of work is damaged, you probably aren't going to prioritize voting. Really, if you are picking up the pieces of your life, voting might not be what you are thinking about. You may have lost means to identify yourself.

If transport systems are not fully functioning, you may have a problem voting. If your designated polling location is hit by flooding or power loss, it might not be ready in seven days.

Should the election be delayed?

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Do you think the election should be delayed? (Original Post) Democratopia Oct 2012 OP
it won't be scheming daemons Oct 2012 #1
Well, we can't predict the future in terms of whether they will be TroyD Oct 2012 #2
It hasn't happened. Some wanted to delay the election of 1864 during the WI_DEM Oct 2012 #26
I don't know about NYC and NJ RoccoR5955 Oct 2012 #3
NYC voting means walking three blocks away brooklynite Oct 2012 #6
No GETTINGTIRED Oct 2012 #4
Either way we will win ashling Oct 2012 #5
No. RevStPatrick Oct 2012 #7
Should be, at least for a few days...But probably won't be Armstead Oct 2012 #8
No, of course not. bowens43 Oct 2012 #9
No way. DCBob Oct 2012 #10
Hell no alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #11
The states primarily affected are Democratic strongholds anyway, so it's not like Repubs in those politicaljunkie41910 Oct 2012 #12
No Democat Oct 2012 #13
You Can't Have Different States Voting At The Same Time For Obvious Reasons DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #14
We already do that with early voting. LisaL Oct 2012 #24
Let's Say Forty Nine States Have Voted And All The Results Are In, Not Just Early Votes, DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #29
I can see the potential for havoc. LisaL Oct 2012 #30
No, and it can't be anyway obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #15
No. I do not want to give Romney time to gain ground. I want this election over! nt helpisontheway Oct 2012 #16
N*O!!! 66 dmhlt Oct 2012 #17
No zebe83 Oct 2012 #18
Article II, Clause 4 of the Constitution thevoiceofreason Oct 2012 #19
Not entirely true. LisaL Oct 2012 #22
That means the elctoral college votes, not voters obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #35
Legislature of that state presumably could direct they vote later than on Nov 6. LisaL Oct 2012 #37
Sorry... no. FBaggins Oct 2012 #47
Congress would look pretty crappy for refusing to relieve treestar Oct 2012 #33
They would look partisan, period obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #36
No rock Oct 2012 #20
HELL to the NO! RomneyLies Oct 2012 #21
No modrepub Oct 2012 #23
No. Was it delayed during the Civil War or WWII. These things happen WI_DEM Oct 2012 #25
If by these things you mean hurricanes in the end of october? I don't think so. LisaL Oct 2012 #27
Exactly correct. FBaggins Oct 2012 #48
My opinion: LisaL Oct 2012 #28
You cannot do that -- it gives an unfair advantage to one state obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #39
If qualified under Board of Election Rules and state and local laws treestar Oct 2012 #31
It's unprecendented. LisaL Oct 2012 #32
No. reflection Oct 2012 #34
So how is a state going to vote if it has no power? LisaL Oct 2012 #38
The election isn't today, it's next Tuesday obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #41
If a state has no power, and no backup paper plan, reflection Oct 2012 #44
The electors would be chosen by the legislature if no election is possible davidn3600 Oct 2012 #45
No but I'm worried about turnout budkin Oct 2012 #40
Absolutely not. The only reason to delay is if there are curfews due to bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #42
Everybody should.... RichGirl Oct 2012 #43
No, CL&P here in CT said they should be able to take care of most people Jennicut Oct 2012 #46

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
2. Well, we can't predict the future in terms of whether they will be
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 08:08 AM
Oct 2012

But I think the main question is who has the authority to delay an election? What are the constitutional provisions for that? I don't think it's happened in modern history.

We need to get the legal experts to tell us.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
26. It hasn't happened. Some wanted to delay the election of 1864 during the
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:26 AM
Oct 2012

Civil War but Lincoln overruled them. We can't control Mother Nature. The election will be held regardless.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
3. I don't know about NYC and NJ
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 08:09 AM
Oct 2012

They were hit quite hard. The subway in NYC will be out for weeks if it got as much salt water as I think it did. LIRR and Metro North also got flooded badly.
I don't think that in a week there will be enough normality to vote in those areas.
They need to test and deploy voting machines, and hopefully, where they stored them isn't flooded.
This is a mess. The worst mess there that I have seen in my lifetime.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
12. The states primarily affected are Democratic strongholds anyway, so it's not like Repubs in those
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 08:47 AM
Oct 2012

states will be able to get to the polls and Dems won't in substantial numbers which could inflluence the outcome.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,996 posts)
14. You Can't Have Different States Voting At The Same Time For Obvious Reasons
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 08:50 AM
Oct 2012

I'm sure you can figure out what those reasons are.

LisaL

(47,507 posts)
24. We already do that with early voting.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:23 AM
Oct 2012

Some states have early voting, and some don't.
Somehow that doesn't represent a problem.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,996 posts)
29. Let's Say Forty Nine States Have Voted And All The Results Are In, Not Just Early Votes,
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:34 AM
Oct 2012

And neither candidate has 270 Electoral College Votes. The fiftieth state that can tip the election gets an extra week to make up their mind.

You don't see the havoc that would create.

LisaL

(47,507 posts)
30. I can see the potential for havoc.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:36 AM
Oct 2012

But if there is a state of emergency in that state, what is the alternative?
If they are out of power and not ready to vote-then that state should postpone election.

thevoiceofreason

(3,440 posts)
19. Article II, Clause 4 of the Constitution
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 10:05 AM
Oct 2012

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

Congress has currently set the first Tuesday in November (not including the first of November). So, it would require an Act of Congress since all states MUST vote on the same day.

LisaL

(47,507 posts)
22. Not entirely true.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:23 AM
Oct 2012

"Federal law requires presidential elections to be held on the Tuesday after the first Monday in November, but it also provides that if a state "has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law, the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct.""

http://www.nj.com/us-politics/index.ssf/2012/10/could_hurricane_sandy_delay_th.html

obamanut2012

(29,509 posts)
35. That means the elctoral college votes, not voters
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:43 AM
Oct 2012

People would not be allowed to vote, and that does not refer to allowing a delay.

FBaggins

(28,761 posts)
47. Sorry... no.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 01:10 PM
Oct 2012

They can craft an alternative process for casting their electoral votes (though it could face an equal protection challenge), and that process could concievably include a public vote (though it would have to occur pretty quickly)...

... but you forget that there are LOTS of other races involved, and they have to occur under existing federal rules.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
33. Congress would look pretty crappy for refusing to relieve
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:40 AM
Oct 2012

voters in such a situation. True this R Congress has no shame. But that would be pretty big in the news.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
25. No. Was it delayed during the Civil War or WWII. These things happen
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:24 AM
Oct 2012

Was it delayed in 1932 during the depression when millions of people were homeless?

FBaggins

(28,761 posts)
48. Exactly correct.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 01:13 PM
Oct 2012

Every possible effort must be made facilitate voting. They can't delay repairing electricity in just one party's precincts for instance...

... but we don't reschedule national elections.

LisaL

(47,507 posts)
28. My opinion:
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:30 AM
Oct 2012

If individual states are not ready, the individual states should postpone election.
The states have to pick electors by Dec 11. Which is plenty of time even if election is postponed in an individual state until they get power back.

obamanut2012

(29,509 posts)
39. You cannot do that -- it gives an unfair advantage to one state
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:47 AM
Oct 2012

And one candidate. ALL states would have to change their election day, because everyone must vote on the same day. The December date you keep referring to defines electoral votes. What would happen is MORE voters are disenfranchised, and it will regress to what it used to be: state legs would name who the electoral voters are.

It would set a horrible precedent.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
31. If qualified under Board of Election Rules and state and local laws
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:38 AM
Oct 2012

why do people assume this is not provided for? No one ever thought of it becoming a problem before this?

reflection

(6,287 posts)
34. No.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:42 AM
Oct 2012

There is no precedent I'm aware of, and the freakazoids would accuse Obama of appointing himself king or some nonsense.

Plus, I think we're slightly ahead, and I like the idea of running out the clock the last 7 days with Obama performing serious Presidential duties, while Romney goes on his magical bus tour to deliver Grey Poupon to flooded-out people.

LisaL

(47,507 posts)
38. So how is a state going to vote if it has no power?
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:45 AM
Oct 2012

What if election was today? Obviously we have a bunch of states under emergency.
Are they supposed to swim to their polling places?

obamanut2012

(29,509 posts)
41. The election isn't today, it's next Tuesday
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:49 AM
Oct 2012

And, people voted before electricity.

Delaying an election for any reason is very scary and a bad precedent.

reflection

(6,287 posts)
44. If a state has no power, and no backup paper plan,
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:22 PM
Oct 2012

then I suppose precedent would have to be set, and the election delayed. But I would expect everyone involved in such an ill-prepared farce to be run out of town on a rail when the election was over, no matter what side of the fence they fall on.

But yes, I concede the point that if there truly is NO WAY to vote, then the election should be delayed in those areas.

I just hate to give the Republicans extra time to tinker with the machines while we wait late voters to get their game plan in effect.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
45. The electors would be chosen by the legislature if no election is possible
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:40 PM
Oct 2012

Remember that presidential elections in this nation are indirect. We do not vote for the President, the states do. Article II, Section I of the constitution says that the electors are chosen by how the legislature directs....not by how the people vote. It is the state law that says your vote is tied to the state's electoral votes.

If you have a natural disaster big enough that an election would not be possible, and there is no way for it to happen before mid-December, the legislature would select the electors by legislative fiat. Otherwise their EVs would not be counted in the electoral college.

Florida threatened to do this in 2000.

bushisanidiot

(8,064 posts)
42. Absolutely not. The only reason to delay is if there are curfews due to
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:49 AM
Oct 2012

terrorist attacks on our shores and/or all out war in the U.S.

RichGirl

(4,119 posts)
43. Everybody should....
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:02 PM
Oct 2012

Work as an election officer for at least one election. You get paid pretty well for election day and they even pay you to take classes.

Everybody needs to see how it all works. How dedicated the registrars office is to make sure (primary number #1 objective) THAT ANYONE WHO IS QUALIFIED TO VOTE WILL BE ABLE TO VOTE.

For example, in EVERY PRECINCT there is always a threat that there might be a power failure. So, every election they come equipped with paper ballots for as many people who are in the poll book. One person is assigned to take the voting machine (which is basically like a laptop) outside if a handicap or older person can't come inside. I once took machine out to a guy, so old and senile he was looking for Nixon on the machine....serious.

We have EARLY VOTING. My guess, if the situation is so bad that some can't vote on election day...they'll have LATE VOTING.

Oh...they always have a box of paper hospital gowns. I'll let you guess what those are for.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
46. No, CL&P here in CT said they should be able to take care of most people
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 01:01 PM
Oct 2012

in the next few days. Some people will be without power for a week but they will be able to drive after the trees and power lines are moved. It does not take that long on the east coast. Smaller areas take less time to clean up.
Our SOS says they will do paper ballots if needed.

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