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KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:09 AM May 2016

There Is No "Contested Convention". Hillary Has An Overwhelming Majority Of Delegates

She already has an overwhelming majority of delegates AND super delegates. Sanders cannot catch up.

Hence, the Convention, by definition, is not "contested". There is no contest.

There no longer is a contest. Hillary has a vast majority of delegates and will have a vast majority of delegates AND super delegates.

There are only two candidates and one has an insurmountable majority of both delegates and super delegates.

No super delegate will switch to Sanders after he and his supporters have spit on the Democratic party and the presumptive nominee.

While Wikipedia starts by defining a brokered convention, it also helps define a contested convention.

In the United States' politics, a brokered convention, closely related to but not quite the same as a contested convention, either of which is sometimes referred to as an open convention, is a situation in which no single candidate has secured a majority of overall delegates (whether those selected by primary elections and caucuses, state conventions, or superdelegates), after the first vote for a political party's presidential candidate at its national nominating convention.

Once the first ballot, or vote, has occurred, and no candidate has a majority of the delegates' votes, the convention is then considered brokered; thereafter, the nomination is decided through a process of alternating political horse trading—(super) delegate vote trading—and additional re-votes.

The term "brokered" implies a strong role for political bosses, more common in the past and associated with deals made in proverbial "smoke-filled rooms", while the term "contested" is a more modern term for a convention where no candidate holds a majority but the role of party leaders is weaker in determining the eventual outcome. A contested convention can also refer to a convention that does result in a first-ballot victory for someone, but where the result was not pre-ordained going into the convention.

For the Democratic Party, unpledged delegate votes, also called "Superdelegate votes" are counted on the first ballot. Although some use the term "brokered convention" to refer to a convention where the outcome is decided by Superdelegate votes rather than pledged delegates alone, this is not the original sense of the term, nor has it been a commonly used definition of a "contested convention.



Under the Democratic National Convention rules, "A majority vote of the Convention's delegates shall be required to nominate the presidential candidate" and "Balloting will continue until a nominee is selected". The role of the superdelegates was established in-part to limit such conflicts and multi-rounds of voting on the convention floor, and instead allow the candidates to woo these delegates before the convention.

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There Is No "Contested Convention". Hillary Has An Overwhelming Majority Of Delegates (Original Post) KittyWampus May 2016 OP
K&R! stonecutter357 May 2016 #1
Supers will follow the pledged delegates. That's where her lead is. stone space May 2016 #2
No, she doesn't catnhatnh May 2016 #3
You're conflating contested with brokered. Orsino May 2016 #4
 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
2. Supers will follow the pledged delegates. That's where her lead is.
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:33 AM
May 2016

In the unlikely event that she were to lose that lead, the supers would go with Bernie, since there are an odd number of pledged delegates and O'Malley didn't get any, so they all get split between Hillary and Bernie, meaning that one of them is going to come out on top. If that candidate is not Hillary, it will be Bernie.

The silliness coming out of both camps on the supers is just that, silliness.



Orsino

(37,428 posts)
4. You're conflating contested with brokered.
Wed May 4, 2016, 02:37 PM
May 2016

And yet your definition of brokered is correct. What you missed is that if two candidates appear at the convention, and there is a first vote, that's what contested means.

It's not a big deal, and the vote may be nothing more than the formality you suggest.

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