Did Hillary just convince Kasich to drop out to run as her VP?

[berni_mccoy]

Kasich suddenly dropped out after reaffirming to run against Trump just less than 12 hours ago. Hillary may be shopping for a way to steal Republican votes as Trump has been left to of her on key issues like Trade and War as well as make appeals to Bernie supporters.

UPDATE: CNN is now discussing Hillary's strategy to appeal to Republicans who are anti Trump

UPDATE 2: as pointed out below, Chelsea Clinton's own rag proposed this idea: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/24/my-dream-ticket-hillary-kasich-2016.html

[NWCorona]

1. He dropped out? That was fast!

People here would lose their minds if Hillary did that.

[WhiteTara]

2. As absurd theories go

this is at the top of the list.

[Nye Bevan]

4. John Kerry asked John McCain to be his running mate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/12/us/mccain-is-said-to-tell-kerry-he-won-t-join.html

So this would not be entirely unprecedented.

[berni_mccoy]

5. CNN is discussing how Hillary can appeal to anti-Trump Repubs

[Nye Bevan]

7. And Kasich as her running mate would certainly help,

at the cost of making many heads explode elsewhere.

I highly doubt that this would happen, however. Kasich's fairly extreme anti-choice views alone would, I believe, rule out this scenario.

[karynnj]

19. Actually that was McCain's story, Kerry said that he never offered McCain

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the VP and it would not have worked as they agreed on too little. Yes, I know the media repeats the McCain version. What Kerry said was a top McCain staffer had suggested it as a way to unite the country. Kerry met with McCain - and asked if McCain was willing to join the Democrats. (Remember McCain was high on the list of "other" Republicans to switch after Jeffords went to independent.)

Kerry had worked with McCain on Veteran issues and McCain had worked with Feingold while Kerry worked with Wellstone on campaign finance legislation. McCain was also one of the few Democrats who then was good on climate change and immigration. The problem was he and Kerry disagreed on everything related to economics - where McCain was a small government Conservative and Kerry a liberal. On foreign policy, Kerry and McCain were often at odds - because McCain is a neo con and far more hawkish -- a better match with Hillary.

A Hillary/Kaisch match makes even less sense - they have no friendship and the country is not about 2 years from having been attacked. Not to mention, Kaisch is a very conservative Republican. Not to mention, at the point it was discussed - a Kerry victory was not likely Bush, hated here was in the high 50s in approval. Kerry/McCain polled far better than it would have worked. Clinton polls 10 points or so higher than Trump.

[TimPlo]

15. Oh you think it is?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/24/my-dream-ticket-hillary-kasich-2016.html

That is one of most Pro-Hillary news sites out there. Considering that Chelsea Clinton has say in operation as board of Director of parent company.

[berni_mccoy]

20. Nice. I hadn't seen that

[LisaM]

58. No kidding. He just signed some extremely draconian anti-woman legislation.

She would never choose a Republican anyway, but he isn't even close to moderate. He just doesn't yell as much as the others, which gives him a highly undeserved reputation as a moderate.

[WhiteTara]

63. I agree. It seems that every

weird and undesirable idea and philosophy is hung around her neck as though it is true.

[LisaM]

65. Rovian tactics!

Or maybe Limbaugh......you know, "I'm not SAYING that the caller is right, but he makes a very interesting point...."

[fun n serious]

3. Trumps VP is probably Kasich...nt

[Jackie Wilson Said]

6. I have heard that Drumpf only likes to deal with his insiders, people who

agree that everything he does is perfect and wonderful.

I am curious who he would accept as his running mate.

This is a narcissist and sociopath that even without his running for office, makes him one of the best (or worst) examples of these two illnesses.

He will use the military and war as a personal revenge machine the way he used organized crime to make him rich.

[fun n serious]

34. I agree with you!

I think the GOP will try to get someone like Kasich who will help Trump,Trump may accept but ultimately he will do as he pleases. Massive executive orders here we come.

[LisaM]

57. He's got Ben Carson!

How could that pairing go wrong?

[TimPlo]

18. There is zero chance Trump would pick him

He is a Establishment person and Trump can not pick a VP that is that. Then he runs risk of GOP trying to get him out of office to let Kasich step up. Do not ever think GOP would go to such extreme like that they started a war just for money for a few corporations in the US. I can see them doing back room deals with (D) in congress to impeach Trump. Trump is probably going to go with Carson. Trump would not want to share even tiny bit of spotlight with his VP so Carson would be best one. Stick him in office somewhere he can sleep till Trump needs him.

[fun n serious]

36. Interesting. You could be right.

He did say he was going with someone who will help him with Policy though.. Him just admitting he needs help is a weakness..

[SidDithers]

8. Probably to balance against Trump selecting Bernie as his running mate...nt

Sid

[tularetom]

9. Impeachment insurance?

So we get a republican president anyway after she gets removed from office.

I don't think that would work. But I guess she can try it if she wants to really piss off most of the Democrat party.

[onenote]

12. ah, the good old "Democrat Party"

[Dem2]

10. Kasich is a wingnut who tries to sound like a reasonable person

Most pols don't buy his act.

[Nonhlanhla]

11. I really hope not

He is an anti-choice extremist.

[CoffeeCat]

13. I think this is a very likely strategy

I always thought that Hillary would pick Bloomberg though.

It makes sense. It's obvious that Hillary and Bullhorn Bill have completely written off the left. I don't blame them. There's just nothing there between the left and the Clintons anymore.

It makes total sense that she would pick a Republican or a right-leaning Independent.

It's really the only shot that she has to winning the nomination. As of now, nearly 25 percent of the Democratic party will never cast a vote for her. She polls abysmally with Independents and Republicans can't stand her. She tried very hard with the base of the Democratic party--that was an epic failure.

She's got no choice but to try this option. She's got to go where the votes are. They sure as hell aren't with Sanders supporters.

It's also important to note that Trump has all ready begun going after the left in the Dem party. There is no much hatred for Clinton from some on the left--I have no doubt that Trump could secure some of that vote. I spent the weekend with Bernie delegates and I didn't find ONE--and I'm serious--not one Bernie delegate who said they would vote for Clinton. Some said they'd vote for Trump, some said they'd write in Bernie, others said they would vote downticket but not for Pres. This is real. People want to white wash the reality or think that Bernie supporters will eventually "come around" but the Clinton camp knows this is absolutely untrue.

Trump will be running to the left on, The Iraq War, trade, corporate corruption and the corrupt campaign-finance system. He'll also be going after the failed state and devastation that is Libya. The media or Bernie never touched Libya. Its' very, very sad. Trump is horrible. But believe me, he will co-opt Bernie's message.

I've thought for a long time that Clinton's only chance would be to choose an Indy or Republican as her running mate. Again, I thought it would be Bloomberg!

[PFunk1]

14. Idiotic yes. But If that's true then the democratic party as it was is no more

It also means that the Clinton camp has all but given up any attempts other than lip service to bring progressives, indies and Sanders supporters over to theirs. And are now are fully concentrating or moderate repugs and DINO's to replace them.

[Yurovsky]

16. They both run to the center-right, so it would make sense...

and he is from Ohio, a state she would need IF she were the nominee (and note ser indictment).

No, but seriously, I think she'll try to pick someone on her Left (there's a ton of room over there, BTW) in an attempt to support from progressive Democrats. Of course, I think she would ignore that person within the inner workings of her prospective administration (Goldman Sachs doesn't want a pesky progressive sticking their nose into economic matters,so it would really just be window dressing.

So no, Kasich didn't dropout to run into the outstretched arms of HRC... But they probably do share a lot in terms of ideology, IMHO.

[MineralMan]

17. Highly improbable VP choice.

Elizabeth Warren is far more likely than Kasich, but I doubt she will be her choice, either.

[berni_mccoy]

22. Not according to Chelsea's rag...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/24/my-dream-ticket-hillary-kasich-2016.html

[MineralMan]

26. Don't think so.

The musings of yet another minor pundit? I'm not buying it.

[berni_mccoy]

29. A pundit that works for Chelsea's Rag? Lol

You said the idea was improbably. Maybe it is but insiders aren't saying that.

[MineralMan]

30. Keep on dreaming.

I ain't got time for that now....

[6chars]

51. You mean Dr. Clinton

[brooklynite]

21. I guess any idiotic theory is fair game for Sanders supporters these days

[berni_mccoy]

23. You calling Chelsea Clinton's newspaper idiotic?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/24/my-dream-ticket-hillary-kasich-2016.html

[Blue_Adept]

24. The number of people on this thread believing it are hilarious

The derangement syndrome is fully underway.

[berni_mccoy]

25. So Chelsea Clinton has derangement syndrome?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/24/my-dream-ticket-hillary-kasich-2016.html

[Blue_Adept]

27. That wasn't in your original post when I replied

But there's a difference between the addendum and what you initially posted in wondering if Clinton convinced Kasich to drop out to be her VP.

But your posts have been fairly unhinged lately anyway, so it's no surprise that you'd try and conflate the two.

[artislife]

50. I remember when people got hides for calling others "unhinged". nt

[Blue_Adept]

56. Remember when most members weren't unhinged?

[artislife]

62. That excuses it! Roll eyes. nt

[JoePhilly]

47. They abandoned reality a long time ago.

[brooklynite]

28. I'm referring to the unsupported allegation that Clinton ASKED Kasich to drop out...

...and has the intent to run with him (nb Kasich is vehemently anti-choice).

[bkkyosemite]

31. Kasich will cause hell to open up if he is her VP

[BootinUp]

32. I don't want to accuse you of falling for any ol' conspiracy theory nt.

[randome]

60. ...but...

[hr][font color="blue"][center]A 90% chance of rain means the same as a 10% chance:
It might rain and it might not.[/center][/font][hr]

[hamsterjill]

33. Nope. I just can't see it.

I guess anything is possible these days, but I just don't think this is going to happen.

[Shadowflash]

35. Take out

the religion and the crazy and they are pretty much the same.

[Tarc]

37. Silly season is upon us

[LibDemAlways]

38. Hillary's choice would be someone just like Hillary

except male. Nominally a Democrat but firmly rooted to the right. She's already indicated she doesn't care about the Bernie wing of the party because she has more primary votes. So, my guess is she's not about to throw us a bone with her VP choice. She'd put R's in her cabinet, but not in the VP spot. That's reserved for another conservadem.

[VulgarPoet]

40. I figured McAuliffe tbh.

[LibDemAlways]

44. Not a bad guess. The speculation about

Kasich is ridiculous. He's gone nowhere in the primaries, is about to drop out, and brings nothing to the table. She'll go with someone with a D after his name -- even if it's just for show.

[VulgarPoet]

48. Seriously. Kasich's a freakin' nutjob-- it'd be political suicide, plain and simple.

[thesquanderer]

49. re: "She'll go with someone with a D after his name -- even if it's just for show."

Considering that she made an issue of not even being sure Sanders is a "real" Democrat, it would be quite a shift of positions to suggest that that doesn't really matter. (Not that she hasn't made such shifts before.)

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-questions-bernie-sanders-democrat-im/story?id=38194190

[ieoeja]

67. He brings Ohio. Republicans have never won without Ohio. n/t

[NorthCarolina]

39. I think there is some validity to this speculation. MSNBC is "pitching" the idea right now,

more or less, talking about how Republicans against Trump are getting motivated to support Hillary. What better way to "seal the deal" with these voters than adding Kasich to the ticket?

She didn't edge back to the right for the GE, she catapulted.

[CanadaexPat]

41. I'd take back all I've said about her campaign strategy if it were true

I wouldn't agree with it but it would suddenly turn the GE into a stop Trump campaign that a lot of people across the spectrum would get behind. It would be a brilliant move.

[DefenseLawyer]

42. That's an even dumber idea than putting Joe Lieberman on the ticket

Obviously the Democratic Party brain trust would never do something that stupid..... Oh wait.....

[dana_b]

46. right?!

If she does something this STUPID, she deserves to lose.

[FSogol]

43. ALCOA!

Kudos. You've really outdone yourself.

[nolabear]

45. LOL! I just can't imagine how that would gain anything. She needs progressives not-well, no one.

Katich doesn't carry anybody near as I can tell and she's getting enough crap from people who believe she's too conservative.

[saltpoint]

52. It just seems that there are plenty

of excellent blue picks for either Hillary or Bernie without having to scavenge from the Pukes.

I also doubt that Hillary would choose someone who is so anti-Planned Parenthood as John Kasich.

[highprincipleswork]

53. Sure. Make the Democratic Party even more Republican. Wonderful idea. For losing!

[Chan790]

54. Solid idea...wrong guess on who's on the other end of that stage hook.

My guess is Priebus started yesterday with Cruz and has been exerting pressure to clear the field for Trump in exchange for major internal concessions Trump was all to happy to give him like an establishment VP because the Donald is self-convinced of his own invulnerability.

This is because Donald Trump is a moron. He thinks he's Caesar...but he's actually Caesar.



E tu? Priebus?

Kasich dropped for the same reason Cruz dropped. Handing Trump the nomination, even if he wins the GE, is the best way to deny him most of a Presidency. Priebus picks a VP he likes. Trump runs with them...if they lose, Rinse Penis has tabbed the front-runner for 2020; if they win...Priebus can count on the establishment GOP to throw over The Donald, he can count on the Democrats not getting in the way of the GOP harming itself, and the elevation of his hand-selected pretender President. Do it early enough in the term and he has time to turn the corner and reverse most of the damage the GOP will take in 2018 for his stunt as well as start to build a legitimacy-basis for his pretender to run a viable reelection campaign in 2020.

The only problem is that Trump can't win...but that's the only factor outside of Rance Prius' control.

[Renew Deal]

55. Another day in fantasy land

[zappaman]

59. Well played.

Your parody of an unhinged Sanders supporter is spot on!

[bettyellen]

66. they are throwing out chum to Sanders supporters for the spectacle of it all.

I wish they would stop trying to humiliate voters this way.

[JimDandy]

61. No. Doing that would be wildly off course for a candidate from any party.

The Gore/Joe Lieberman and Kennedy/Johnson picks were as bad as it gets. As far as a candidate picking their polar opposites, it at least stays in the party with picks like those.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

64. He is more liberal than she,

And he would be less likely to start wars of choice than she.