When Bernie Supporters Such as Thom Hartmann Have To Beg to Get Progressives To Vote For Hillary...

[berni_mccoy]

Then you know there is a real problem with Hillary.

She is disliked by so many in her own party and on those Liberals who chose to remain Independent of any political party. She is unfavorable with more than 70% of independent voters, when Democratic voters account for the smallest percentage of the electorate at any time in history. Should she win the nomination, these voters would have to chose between a Democratic candidate who is RIGHT of Center and a Republican candidate who is all over the place, but stands hard left on key issues Hillary is particularly right on, and particularly issues that affect blue-collar working class, which used to be Hillary's stronghold of voters.

There is a very real chance Hillary loses to Trump in a General Election. So much so, it was reported on MSNBC this morning that people in her own circle of advisers are very worried about her viability against Trump.

As Trump begins to focus on her, and she is fighting to the last delegate, while an FBI Investigation hangs over her, does the least liked Democratic candidate for the nomination stand a realistic chance as the Democratic nominee? Maybe those who are frantically calling for Bernie to drop out know this already ... And perhaps they are hoping for this failed matchup against the worst candidate to run in the history of this country.

[Ohioblue22]

1. Or that some are just so upset with losing that they are willing to vote against the winner of that

[JimDandy]

3. A new Hillary supporter. Welcome to DU! n/t

[jwirr]

6. Our problem is not about losing. It is about where she is

taking us after she wins. Most of us are not interesting in moving right toward the corporations even one more inch. Most of us cannot afford to follow her.

One of the question frequently asked on DU is "why do people vote against their own interests?" That is what you are asking us to do. And you are going to find out that most of us are not going to do that anymore.

[Ohioblue22]

10. There's more than just the presidency

Scotus: back to 5-4 decisions against you
The end of one person one vote
Fcc: good bye to net neutrality
Nrlb: cripple the cfpb ,
Sec: a con comissioner would give a green light to the banking shenanigans we love so much.
Depth of labor: crippling of the unions
Fda/usda: under con control rule food inspections became voluntary
Head of the fed: back to employee insecurity
Amtrak: no rail improvement
Post office: privatization of mail good bye postal union

[jwirr]

16. What makes you think she will do anything about these

things? She is not going to do anything that does not benefit her and the 1%. We do not have enough money to get her to do them.

[Ohioblue22]

20. She will name who heads these and any and you have zero proof that she will only serve the 1%

There are groups that looked for where her votes might reflect influence from campaign cash and found nothing

[WhiteTara]

18. Good list. I would add

end of women's reproductive rights
end of LGBT rights
end of voting rights (what's left of them)
end of public education
end of all public services
continuation or beginning of Sharia law

Welcome to DU

[Ohioblue22]

23. Excellent assist thanks .

[snowy owl]

19. Needs to show she can get things done. I bet her nominee for SC is centrist-right.

Not sure that's going to help dems.

[Ohioblue22]

21. I bet not especially if we take the Senate if not then it will be up to the senate

[arcane1]

31. I have no faith that Hillary would not do those things n/t

[TheBlackAdder]

37. As a USPS advocate, they have come under great duress during the Obama Administration.

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Net Neutrality

The Fed

FDA/USDA

Amtrak


They have all taken hits under this administration. So has women's medical rights, voting rights.

Unless there is a drastic shift in congress, this trend will continue.



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[Joob]

24. Yes, losing nothing to do with Hillary at all. Just that we lost. Grrr.

Also, welcome! ...to my ignore list.

[Ohioblue22]

25. Well I did say some and apparently others are a little touchy

[Peregrine Took]

2. I would accept Biden if she would step down.

Surely her people can read the tea leaves and see she is too unpopular with too many people.

If Bernie could get promises from Joe B that he would fully accept his platform I bet he would step aside. Pretty sure Eliz Warren would accept a VP nod.

[berni_mccoy]

4. Biden doesn't want it and would fail as a candidate at this point. Plus...

You would subjugate the voice of millions of people who voted for Bernie. That will never happen.

[bbrady42]

27. But subjugating the voice of the millions who voted for Hillary is ok?

[glowing]

30. That's the DC talking point in the bubble...

Remove Clinton and install Biden. Then the corporations would be happy still and everyone else should be happy in the Dem party because he's VP now and everyone votes for him with Obama (plus how hard can you attack him when he lost his son).

This is a talking point that will be floated more and more in the next couple of months... But DC people have no damned clue what the people in the real world want or need.

[dsc]

13. so then what is your problem with Hillary

it can't be the bankrupcy bill, he voted for it. It can't be the IWR, he voted for that. It can't be contributions, he took a ton from pretty much every Delaware business.

[WhiteTara]

36. This is a guy who has lost 3 times

and has a very checkered past (you can look it up in google.) But of course, he is a white male which makes that acceptable to many.

[JimDandy]

5. Hillary will never step aside on her own volition, no matter what, even if a criminal

indictment was brought. Just like her husband, Bill, didn't when faced with exposure of sexual harassment charges stemming from the Jennifer Flowers affair and lawsuit, the Monica Lewinsky intern/employer sexual liason scandal and surrounding lawsuit, and his impeachment charges for lying. Uggg. They deserve each other, but we don't deserve them, and my choice of Bernie Sanders reflects that.

[jwirr]

7. Exactly.

[farleftlib]

39. Exactly. They're a pair of grifters

and they've made hundreds of millions screwing the average American taxpayer. I wish
they'd go back to Arkansas with their ill-gotten gains and leave us alone. They really belong
in a jail cell but I'd settle for them just getting out of politics. They defile the offices they've
held and helped destroy the Democratic Party. I'd like to see what would happen to the person
who had the unfortunate duty of telling her she had to step down for the good of the country!

Uggg is right!

[randr]

8. As a long life long LIBERAL

I must seriously weigh the odds of how much improvement there will be under either Trump or Clinton.
Under Trump the whole place will burn down and we will need to build a new nation.
Under Clinton we may stay in the same Obama rut of appeasement and in 4 years be right were we are now.
Sometimes you have to find the bottom before you make an effort to climb to the top.

[WhiteTara]

32. You seem to think that we are the only ones who will be affected

but the rest of the world will fall prey to your faulty thinking. This isn't a 12 step program.

[pdsimdars]

9. I'm listening to Thom right now. He's doing the begging to a caller right now.

Some nice guy, who has never been political said his son talked to him about Bernie and now he has been walking around talking for Bernie and says he can't really vote for Hillary. Thom is now arguing with him with the same old "Trump is bad" BS.

I believe Thom and all the others making this argument are very NARROW sighted. As Bernie says, to get anything they want, the people have to fight for it. God didn't come down and give us a weekend, or a 40 hour week. People fought and died for them.

What the Thom Hartmann's are essentially saying is "well, things may be bad, but if you strike for what you want, you'll lose your job and the business may fail. WORK WITHIN THE SYSTEM." But after years and years with management doing nothing, you have to take another track, they had to strike and fight.

They have been preaching with "work within the system" for 30+ years. The rich are taking all the money and working Americans are not getting any of the increased economic gains. How long do people have to wait? THIRTY YEARS and we have had 16 years of that under DEMOCRATIC presidents. The rich didn't get "incremental". Actually we didn't even get "incremental" salary increases, we got NOTHING. Look at the graphs. They just keep the "incremental" out there to give us hope that they NEVER deliver on.

[LarryNM]

28. Thom Hartmann Provides good info, But

too often his solutions are if you wish and hope hard and long enough then it will
be true. He does not want to be hopeless but ignoring reality doesn't work either.

[msongs]

11. yet another faulty premise - nobody has to beg people to vote for hillary nt

[seaglass]

12. Sorry your guy lost. n/t

[lagomorph777]

29. You must be confused; our guy WON last night.

We need a nominee who can whump Trump, and that's Bernie, if you read the polls (for months now).

[WhiteTara]

33. He gained 5 delegates. That doesn't sound like much of a victory.

His total was 44, hers was 39 and she was ahead by hundreds.

[lagomorph777]

40. +7 = win; -7 = loss

It's not terribly complicated.

[BootinUp]

14. Quite to the contrary.

This is the same as it ever has been with regards to politics. Primary campaigns are often quite nasty, but the truth is that the party will unite. I say this because there is not a huge gap between the policies that Bernie is fighting for and those that Hillary is fighting for. Whether you can see that now is irrelevant. No one can see that when they are still feeling the emotions of the race so strongly.

[Tarc]

15. Why does Berni McCoy post the same post every day, with a slight word rearrangement?

"Independents don't like Hillary"
"Only Bernie can beat Trump"
"She will be indicted"

Word salad, with a different dressing, every day.

[WhiteTara]

35. If you repeat a big lie long enough

it will be taken as truth? Wasn't that a Goebbles theory used by so many republicons since?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right. Thomas

Obviously, Thom has swallowed the bitter pill and is now on the "not as bad" bandwagon.

[Attorney in Texas]

22. Hillary is a shitty candidate of historic proportions, but Trump is even shittier.

[Firebrand Gary]

26. You're being corrosive to our common goal. nt

[berni_mccoy]

38. Oh lil ol me taking down the goal of the DNC?

Unlikely.

[JTFrog]

34. Lol. Ok. n/t