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Trump would somehow be able to win?
Seriously? 
They’re debating when?
Ironically unlike the Republican National Committee, the DNC manipulated its debate schedule to have the fewest number of debates at the worst times, intended to minimize voter viewing, including setting them on holiday weekends and the Saturday night before Christmas.
Sanders booms, media works to marginalize:
As the votes began coming in for Bernie, especially with his big win in New Hampshire, Clinton surrogates were given extra time as TV analysts to downplay the results, and the media narrative shifted.
Vote rigging
After Sanders’ sweeping win in New Hampshire, the DNC went into hyper drive to break his momentum, starting in the next voting state Nevada.
Concerned Sanders would win Nevada, Sen. Harry Reid, the former Senate Majority Leader and most powerful elected official in Nevada, as it later emerged, arranged a plan with owners of Las Vegas casinos, where many caucuses were being held, and other employers, to ensure Clinton would win. The Nevada caucuses were then rigged with massive voting irregularities such as casino owners orchestrating which workers would be allowed to vote and, in clear intimidation, openly monitoring how they voted.
The sexism canard
Desperate for attack lines against Sanders, the Clinton camp and her adherents have tried to paint him as a sexist, employing the same tactic of exaggerated small slights they used against Barack Obama in 2008 (remember “you’re likeable enough”). Add in the clumsy effort of Clinton surrogates Gloria Steinem and Madeleine Albright to mock and vilify young women who vote for Sanders.
Memo to Clinton and company. Bernie Sanders is not Donald Trump. He has a near perfect voting record on such issues as women’s reproductive rights and pay equity, and most of his proposals, especially Medicare for all, free college tuition, and expanding Social Security would disproportionately help women.
Undemocratic primaries
Sanders has won the overwhelming majority of independent voters in “open” primaries or caucuses that allow them to vote.
Many Clinton surrogates have fulminated that any independent voters are allowed to participate in the Democratic Party nominating process. As if only the two major parties should be allowed to decide who can run for office while a record 43 percent of U.S. voters are now independents in a corrupted system. Winning the independents’ votes is decisive in general elections, suggesting they should have a voice in determining who are the strongest candidates.
Super delegates toe the line
Enormous pressure was brought to bear on the some 700 super delegates, mostly Democratic elected officials and other high-profile DNC members, to fall in line behind Clinton, facing intimidation or promises well honed by a Clinton machine that has had 25 years of practice.
An additional factor is the DNC decision to step up raking in cash from Wall Street and other corporate donors, and their implicit pledge to use those funds only for Democratic candidates who play ball by supporting Clinton.
These officials believe that the way to win elections is through big donor fundraising and shape shifting positions. The Sanders’ truth telling campaign, supported by millions of small donors engaged in a movement mobilization, is foreign in their eyes and threatening to their donor base.
Who’s most electable, who is not
It’s repeated over and over by her super delegates and the media – Clinton is the most electable candidate, and Democrats must rally behind her to beat Trump. The line has been so drummed into the narrative that many voters in exit polls cite it as the reason they voted for Clinton.
One problem, it’s not true. Virtually every poll for months has shown Sanders faring better against Trump, Cruz, and Kasich than Clinton, often by a wide margin, even as the media has already played out the attack lines Republicans would use against Sanders.
The math, the math
The final defense for the Clinton camp and the major media, spinning out from the Eastern media centers to local news outlets, is that Clinton is too far ahead in delegates so the race is over.
To make the case even more heavy-handed, Clinton’s big margin among super delegates is added to the total of delegates won in primaries and caucuses. Even though unlike pledged delegates, super delegates are not committed to their position. They can flip at will, as they did from Clinton to Obama in 2008.
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/03/25/remarkable-bernie-sanders-journey-will-overcome-crowning-clinton
Ironically unlike the Republican National Committee, the DNC manipulated its debate schedule to have the fewest number of debates at the worst times, intended to minimize voter viewing, including setting them on holiday weekends and the Saturday night before Christmas.
Sanders booms, media works to marginalize:
As the votes began coming in for Bernie, especially with his big win in New Hampshire, Clinton surrogates were given extra time as TV analysts to downplay the results, and the media narrative shifted.
Vote rigging
After Sanders’ sweeping win in New Hampshire, the DNC went into hyper drive to break his momentum, starting in the next voting state Nevada.
Concerned Sanders would win Nevada, Sen. Harry Reid, the former Senate Majority Leader and most powerful elected official in Nevada, as it later emerged, arranged a plan with owners of Las Vegas casinos, where many caucuses were being held, and other employers, to ensure Clinton would win. The Nevada caucuses were then rigged with massive voting irregularities such as casino owners orchestrating which workers would be allowed to vote and, in clear intimidation, openly monitoring how they voted.
The sexism canard
Desperate for attack lines against Sanders, the Clinton camp and her adherents have tried to paint him as a sexist, employing the same tactic of exaggerated small slights they used against Barack Obama in 2008 (remember “you’re likeable enough”). Add in the clumsy effort of Clinton surrogates Gloria Steinem and Madeleine Albright to mock and vilify young women who vote for Sanders.
Memo to Clinton and company. Bernie Sanders is not Donald Trump. He has a near perfect voting record on such issues as women’s reproductive rights and pay equity, and most of his proposals, especially Medicare for all, free college tuition, and expanding Social Security would disproportionately help women.
Undemocratic primaries
Sanders has won the overwhelming majority of independent voters in “open” primaries or caucuses that allow them to vote.
Many Clinton surrogates have fulminated that any independent voters are allowed to participate in the Democratic Party nominating process. As if only the two major parties should be allowed to decide who can run for office while a record 43 percent of U.S. voters are now independents in a corrupted system. Winning the independents’ votes is decisive in general elections, suggesting they should have a voice in determining who are the strongest candidates.
Super delegates toe the line
Enormous pressure was brought to bear on the some 700 super delegates, mostly Democratic elected officials and other high-profile DNC members, to fall in line behind Clinton, facing intimidation or promises well honed by a Clinton machine that has had 25 years of practice.
An additional factor is the DNC decision to step up raking in cash from Wall Street and other corporate donors, and their implicit pledge to use those funds only for Democratic candidates who play ball by supporting Clinton.
These officials believe that the way to win elections is through big donor fundraising and shape shifting positions. The Sanders’ truth telling campaign, supported by millions of small donors engaged in a movement mobilization, is foreign in their eyes and threatening to their donor base.
Who’s most electable, who is not
It’s repeated over and over by her super delegates and the media – Clinton is the most electable candidate, and Democrats must rally behind her to beat Trump. The line has been so drummed into the narrative that many voters in exit polls cite it as the reason they voted for Clinton.
One problem, it’s not true. Virtually every poll for months has shown Sanders faring better against Trump, Cruz, and Kasich than Clinton, often by a wide margin, even as the media has already played out the attack lines Republicans would use against Sanders.
The math, the math
The final defense for the Clinton camp and the major media, spinning out from the Eastern media centers to local news outlets, is that Clinton is too far ahead in delegates so the race is over.
To make the case even more heavy-handed, Clinton’s big margin among super delegates is added to the total of delegates won in primaries and caucuses. Even though unlike pledged delegates, super delegates are not committed to their position. They can flip at will, as they did from Clinton to Obama in 2008.
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/03/25/remarkable-bernie-sanders-journey-will-overcome-crowning-clinton
Hillary is distrusted and disliked:
How will we feign surprise when she draws little support among independents and millennial Democrats?
The GOP just nominated Trump despite the fact that he's behind both Dems in every poll and has the highest unfavorables in the field. Obviously primary voters care about more than pure electability. 
HRC is the nominee, as is Trump. How Kasic does against HRC or Cruz against HRC or Bernie against Cruz or Kasic or Trump is utterly irrelevant at this point. It's not going to win Bernie 3 million more primary votes.
He beats every single polled Rethug option across the board (Kasich would be the hardest to beat).
Sanders also is dramatically undercounted in many polls as his base of support is younger, and thus very unlikely to have a landline phone or be at home when the polls are done.
I posit Indiana as an example. ALL polls showed Clinton cruising to victory.... NOT
Sanders also is dramatically undercounted in many polls as his base of support is younger, and thus very unlikely to have a landline phone or be at home when the polls are done.
I posit Indiana as an example. ALL polls showed Clinton cruising to victory.... NOT
The Clinton Campaign Has Resorted to Lies to Beat Sanders
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-arel/chelsea-clinton-is-lying-_b_9001744.html
We all knew the day would come when Hillary Clinton would finally have to stop pretending she wasn’t worried about the Bernie Sanders campaign, and it has finally arrived.
Her daughter, Chelsea Clinton is now on the road doing stump speeches for her mom and using the opportunity to flat out lie about Bernie Sanders’ healthcare plan.
“Sen. Sanders wants to dismantle Obamacare, dismantle the CHIP program, dismantle Medicare, and dismantle private insurance,” Clinton said in New Hampshire earlier this week. “I don’t want to empower Republican governors to take away Medicaid, to take away health insurance for low-income and middle-income working Americans. And I think very much that’s what Sen. Sanders’ plan would do.”
Yet, nothing about this statement is actually true and the Sanders campaign was quick to act calling her comments inaccurate, and the fact-checking site PolitiFact was not far behind. snip......
A Clinton Superdelegate Just Admitted That Hillary Lied About Bernie and Guns (VIDEO)
http://usuncut.com/politics/clinton-superdelegate-lie/
Hillary Clinton is apparently getting desperate, as after seeming to exhaust all other options, she’s returning to the original line of attack against Bernie Sanders: gun control.
“She said that it’s going to be coming out in the very near future that many of the catastrophes that have taken human lives in the State of New York have been the product of guns coming over the border from Vermont,” according to New York State Sen. Tim Kennedy. “That’s the first I heard it,” he remarked.
That’s probably because it’s not even close to true.
Out of the 7,686 firearms recovered and traced in New York in 2014, only 55 were first purchased in Vermont, according to the ATF. In 2013, that number was 61 out of 8,539. As such, Vermont accounts for less than 1% of the total guns traced in either year, despite Vermont bordering New York.
Hillary Caught in Another Lie About Bernie Sanders - Bernie Was Behind Her on Health Reform in 90s
Clinton's Charge That Sanders Did Not Support Auto Rescue Is Wrong
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkiley5/2016/03/07/clintons-charges-that-sanders-did-not-support-auto-rescue-is-wrong/#24817978582b
Secretary Clinton is chastising Sanders in the Motor State for not voting for the bill that created the funding for an auto bailout. Except, it wasn’t known that the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) bill, designed to bail out Wall Street banks from their subprime mortgage loan debacle that was crashing the economy, would be used to rescue the auto industry at the time Senators Sanders and Clinton voted on it. Sanders voted against TARP because it was being used to bailout Wall Street. Clinton voted yay. Sanders voted nay. It was President Bush who signed the bill into law.
Later, in December 2008, the Senate took up a separate “clean” bill that would have provided rescue funds specifically for the auto industry. That bill failed to get the 60-vote filibuster-proof minimum when Republicans balked at saving General Motors GM -2.30%, Ford and Chrysler, in large part because they wanted to use the occasion to try and destroy the United Auto Workers union, which stood to benefit from a bailout by having their healthcare fund and pensions protected. Both Clinton and Sanders voted for this bill.
The Most Disingenuous Attack Against Bernie Yet
OUTRAGEOUS
She tried to slam Sanders and his vote for the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, or CMFA, WHEN IT WAS SHOVED SECRETLY INTO THE OMNIBUS 2000 BUDGET BILL BY.................. GARY GENSLER (who worked with Phil Graham and POTUS Bill Clinton to deregulate derivatives). GENSLER IS CLINTON's VERY OWN SENIOR ECONOMIC 2016 CAMPAIGN ADVISOR!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-arel/chelsea-clinton-is-lying-_b_9001744.html
We all knew the day would come when Hillary Clinton would finally have to stop pretending she wasn’t worried about the Bernie Sanders campaign, and it has finally arrived.
Her daughter, Chelsea Clinton is now on the road doing stump speeches for her mom and using the opportunity to flat out lie about Bernie Sanders’ healthcare plan.
“Sen. Sanders wants to dismantle Obamacare, dismantle the CHIP program, dismantle Medicare, and dismantle private insurance,” Clinton said in New Hampshire earlier this week. “I don’t want to empower Republican governors to take away Medicaid, to take away health insurance for low-income and middle-income working Americans. And I think very much that’s what Sen. Sanders’ plan would do.”
Yet, nothing about this statement is actually true and the Sanders campaign was quick to act calling her comments inaccurate, and the fact-checking site PolitiFact was not far behind. snip......
A Clinton Superdelegate Just Admitted That Hillary Lied About Bernie and Guns (VIDEO)
http://usuncut.com/politics/clinton-superdelegate-lie/
Hillary Clinton is apparently getting desperate, as after seeming to exhaust all other options, she’s returning to the original line of attack against Bernie Sanders: gun control.
“She said that it’s going to be coming out in the very near future that many of the catastrophes that have taken human lives in the State of New York have been the product of guns coming over the border from Vermont,” according to New York State Sen. Tim Kennedy. “That’s the first I heard it,” he remarked.
That’s probably because it’s not even close to true.
Out of the 7,686 firearms recovered and traced in New York in 2014, only 55 were first purchased in Vermont, according to the ATF. In 2013, that number was 61 out of 8,539. As such, Vermont accounts for less than 1% of the total guns traced in either year, despite Vermont bordering New York.
Hillary Caught in Another Lie About Bernie Sanders - Bernie Was Behind Her on Health Reform in 90s
Clinton's Charge That Sanders Did Not Support Auto Rescue Is Wrong
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkiley5/2016/03/07/clintons-charges-that-sanders-did-not-support-auto-rescue-is-wrong/#24817978582b
Secretary Clinton is chastising Sanders in the Motor State for not voting for the bill that created the funding for an auto bailout. Except, it wasn’t known that the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) bill, designed to bail out Wall Street banks from their subprime mortgage loan debacle that was crashing the economy, would be used to rescue the auto industry at the time Senators Sanders and Clinton voted on it. Sanders voted against TARP because it was being used to bailout Wall Street. Clinton voted yay. Sanders voted nay. It was President Bush who signed the bill into law.
Later, in December 2008, the Senate took up a separate “clean” bill that would have provided rescue funds specifically for the auto industry. That bill failed to get the 60-vote filibuster-proof minimum when Republicans balked at saving General Motors GM -2.30%, Ford and Chrysler, in large part because they wanted to use the occasion to try and destroy the United Auto Workers union, which stood to benefit from a bailout by having their healthcare fund and pensions protected. Both Clinton and Sanders voted for this bill.
The Most Disingenuous Attack Against Bernie Yet
OUTRAGEOUS
She tried to slam Sanders and his vote for the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, or CMFA, WHEN IT WAS SHOVED SECRETLY INTO THE OMNIBUS 2000 BUDGET BILL BY.................. GARY GENSLER (who worked with Phil Graham and POTUS Bill Clinton to deregulate derivatives). GENSLER IS CLINTON's VERY OWN SENIOR ECONOMIC 2016 CAMPAIGN ADVISOR! 
It's not a good trade if you ask me. I've seen better haggling in Monty Python movies.
... and the "Show us the Transcripts" goofballs. 
that's very insightful. So you're saying they're in the bargaining phase of the five stages of grief? That explains a lot and that's a positive sign if true. Depression comes next, then finally acceptance. Thanks Jackie.
Bernie will not be the nominee. It's as simple as that.
... Hillary will still be the nominee. So, it appears to me that the only reason "it matters" is for reasons of Bernie's pride or vanity ... or for your own self-consolation reasons.
Dwelling on the past and rehashing old arguments accomplishes nothing. It's probably best to move on.
The "independent" voter who's not affiliated with the party isn't entitled to participate in party activities. The same way that people who aren't members of a labor union aren't allowed to vote for the union leaders.
But on the bright side, it's very easy to join the party. A checkmark in the "Democratic Party" box is all it takes.
Did you see the comparative analysis of how each candidate has performed in ALL the "open" primaries? It turns out that when all of them are taken into account, Hillary has consistently outperformed Bernie.
Thanks for the detailed response, but I think you're getting wrapped up in a vicious cycle of eating and regurgitating the lies and hyperbole.
She is a LOSER heading in to the General Election and there is nothing that I can see short of massive voter manipulation that could result in her being the next POTUS.
Your opinions and fears do not match the facts. It's a shame you feel that way, and I hope that you'll begin to feel differently as election day approaches.
