2016 Postmortem
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To My Friends Supporting Hillary Clinton
You are probably not aware, but you are trying to take something from me. And by extension, you are trying to take something away from our country.
I recall a conversation I had last year with my 32 year old daughter and some of her friends. We were discussing politics of course. In trying to help them understand what it means to be a Democrat I suddenly realized that they were way too young have experienced a true Democratic President in their lifetime.
And this is true. I believe that the last true Democrat to be President was FDR. One only has to read the Second Bill of Rights to understand that FDR carried the banner for the Democratic cause higher than anyone else. Unfortunately, FDR would not live long enough to enact the tenets of his vision. Ironically, we applied some of FDRs vision when we rebuilt Germany and Japan.
Some would say that JFK was a true Democrat. And you wouldnt get much of an argument from me. Simply read his statement on what it means to be a Democrat and you will quickly realize that while some of his policies were not strictly in line with his partys thinking, inside he held the heart of a true Democrat.
Im purposely avoiding the use of the word Progressive in that I believe this term really refers to a purer form of Democratic thought.
Many of us have become complacent about our Party and in politics in general. This complacency (over the past 30+ years) has allowed our Party to slowly shift to the Right along with the Republican Party. We barely noticed it
the change. It was incremental in its pace but destructive in its application.
We had become so complacent that we hardly noticed how corrupt our campaign system was becoming. How else do you explain the steady growth of moneys influence over our policies? I think that we simply let this complacency turn into acceptance. That is, we accepted the corruption as simply a part of doing business in modern politics. We even went as far as to set aside our concern as the corruption grew. We were in some form of denial.
And then, like some long lost friend stepping out of the fog, came Bernie Sanders.
What is it about the Bernies campaign that has struck such a chord with many of the American electorate? For me it is simple; Bernie Sanders represents the original soul of the Democratic Party.
How long we have waited. How many decades have passed us by where we simply accepted the changes in our Party? And even though we were in denial and complacent about what has happened to our cause, there was always a small part of our being, a tiny spark that remembered.
There is a lot of talk about how Bernie Sanders has captured the attention and support of the youth in our country. While I wouldnt argue this point, I assure you that there are plenty of people my age (63) that are as passionate about Bernies run as any Millennial. While we are not old enough to have lived during FDRs time, there was enough residual present that we remember.
We remember that our Party once stood for the people, especially those that were under-represented and had fallen through the cracks. Remember? We were once known as the party of the people. Over the years, we have lost sight of our purpose, our dream.
Once Bernie stepped onto the stage, we began to remember. Millions who held that spark deep in their soul saw a familiar face, familiar words
a familiar dream.
I am not anti-Hillary. Unlike some of my more passionate friends, I do not blame her for taking money from corporations or allying herself with the interests that often go against the true nature of our party. She cant help it. Like the rest of us, she was drawn into the incremental changes that our party and our country was experiencing. So small were those changes that it was barely noticeable.
It took the arrival of someone like Bernie Sanders for us to clear our eyes and see exactly what has happened. Only with his presence in the campaign have we seen the overwhelming changes, and thus, the overwhelming differences in what our party used to be and to what it has become.
I firmly believe that if Bernie had not entered to stage, we would have never gone as far as we have in criticizing Hillary Clinton. Yes, there would be some of us that would challenge her positions on a variety of issues, but we would have pretty much given her a pass.
I sort of feel sorry for Hillary. She is a casualty of our times. You see, I hope and believe that she is the last of the old party. Now that we have seen the resurgence of the original Left, I dont think we will ever look back. The future is in the heart of Bernie Sanders. He may not be the actual representative
but someone will be. And soon.
And so, what is this that Hillary supporters have endeavored to take from me? It is nothing less than the opportunity to return our country to the people. When you ask me to abandon Bernie Sanders, you are asking me to give up all that I believe in when it comes to our country. You are asking me to take the proverbial two steps back after Ive taken three steps forward.
Is it any wonder why so many Bernie supporters refuse to give up? Do you understand now why so many will not let go of the dream? You cant seriously ask me to do this when the opportunity is so rare
and the consequences so dire.
So, to my Hillary friends, be patient with those of us who support Bernie Sanders. It has taken a very long time for this opportunity to arise
and after all, WE have been very patient.
-Paige
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Yeah, nope. Not everyone lives in the mid-century was great fantasy world. It kind of sucked for most of us.
Turin_C3PO
(13,964 posts)the benefits that white males got out of democratic policy back then and apply it to everyone now obviously. I think that goes without saying on a liberal forum.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)plan to enthusiastically dress that? It cannot "go without saying", and should not have for this long.
Turin_C3PO
(13,964 posts)that we should be colorblind or not recognize white privilege (and btw, I do agree Clinton "gets" those issues more than Sanders), but that we can do both: Work to change institutional white straight male privilege as well as implement more progressive economic policies.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)could actually have a bigger impact in the next 4-8 years with things as they are.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I am 100 percent for gender pay partity, for example. However, it doesn't do a lot of good if that means women are equally entitled to get ripped off by crappy low wages, no benefits and overall job insecurity.
Likewise with many other issues affecting women and POC. Women's healthcare is great -- but so what if they can't afford it or have to put up with high co-pays and the otehr wonderful benefits of private for-profit health insurance.
As the guy in my little icon to the left used to say "We all do better when we ALL do better."
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I was "equally entitled" to crappy low wages and expensive healthcare. But I am only entitled to much crappier wages and none because they are outlawed reproductive health services in many place. Nada- none. I'm not equally anything.
liberal from boston
(856 posts)May I suggest you watch this video of a young African American female voter discuss Hillary:
http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-supporter-slams-cnn/
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)BootinUp
(47,141 posts)at one time or another. Especially since your candidate hasn't conceded yet, I can see where you are still very much into his race and campaign.
840high
(17,196 posts)JFK - never loved a candidate till this year.
I thought Bernie only appealed to the kids, just joking.
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)BootinUp
(47,141 posts)Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)Bernie's form of politics didn't resonate with people of color hardly at all. He won most of his victories in Caucus and Open Primary states. He struck a cord with mostly white liberals and the young. You seem to think that voters like me, a senior citizen, who have voted for Democrats for over 50 years mean nothing. You do the same disservice to people of color who overwhelmingly voted for Hillary.
What most of you fail to acknowledge is Hillary voted with Bernie 93% of the time. She is one of the most qualified candidates to ever run for the presidency but you and other Bernie supporters talk like she is bought and paid for my Wall Street. I for one resent it.
peace13
(11,076 posts)Are you aware of the money laundering problems with theDNC? There are so many dark questions around her that are way bigger than secret promises to Wall St.
Response to Tommy2Tone (Reply #4)
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WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)Just to set the record straight, I will be voting for Hillary.
You sound bitter.
All I'm saying is that Hillary (a fine and good person) has gone along with accepted methods of funding her campaign. That's ok. It's just something that will probably not be available in the future. Bernie chose to take a risk and not take corporates money. I think that's admirable.
Nothing wrong with Hillary doing it. It was available and legal.
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)I'm completely baffled by the fact that Bernie has not resonated with the AA community. From everything I've read, he has been fighting for civil rights since he was in college. Perhaps Hillary has had many years to appeal to the AA community in ways that Bernie has not. Simply baffled.
GoldenThunder
(300 posts)This will not be a fight decided by delegates.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Hillary supporters believe the candidates line up on the political spectrum like this:
Hillary . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . Republicans
Bernie
They believe that Hillary and Bernie are essentially equivalent, and both will be fighting for a compromise position at X. They believe Hillary's insider connections will enable her to better reach this compromise than Bernie.
Bernie supporters see the situation like this:
Bernie . . . . . . Y . . . . Hillary . . . . . X . . . . Republicans
By electing Hillary, we are aiming for a compromise at X. By electing Bernie, we are aiming for a compromise at Y. Electing Hillary will result in policies that are further to the Right than they are now.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)...hopefully continuing the damage only slowly?
...or start from the left and start repairing damage?
jeepers
(314 posts)but might I add a thought.
Bernie has also picked up the banner dropped when MLK was murdered. I believe that Bernies campaign and possibly the point of his whole life has been to complete Reverend Kings Poor Peoples March on Washington.
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)..should do some more research on this connection. I know that he was there for MLK and was a huge supporter.
msongs
(67,395 posts)dcbuckeye
(79 posts)I've been a Hillary supporter for years. I supported her in 2008 and then along came Obama to take it all away in 2008. I ended up supporting him and was glad he won. Now Hillary is running again and I am supporting her and here comes Bernie to try to take it away from us again!! Not going to happen this time. The primary is over. And BTW, you don't think LBJ was a true Democrat? The guy who brought us Medicare, Medicaid, civil rights, voting rights?
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)"then along came Obama to take it all away in 2008"
"here comes Bernie to try to take it away from us again"
"Not going to happen this time"
your reply places HRC as 'entitled' to the nomination... one has to EARN that spot, I get the OPs point and your reply denigrates that and pivots to one of the BIGGEST complaints against HRC... that this is some sort of coronation rather than primary on issues
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Look at the numbers. Look at the bad news coverage she's received from our lapdog media compared to the swoonfest Sanders has received. Look at the fear on the faces of Republicans that she'll beat Trump. Look at the pledged delegates. Look at the Super-delegates. Look at how much she's fundraised for down-ballot Democrats - without cherry-picking. Look at the ugly smears hurled her way. She never had any of that tossed into her lap. She had to fight hard for each and every group.
She's not "entitled" to be president. THIS is a democracy where WE get to vote for our candidate for the Democratic Party.
But if any one of the 20 candidates that have entered this election season deserves to win the presidency, it's Hillary Clinton - bar none.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)I have and do look at the #'s, she can't earn the nomination through the rest of the proportional primary races and using current voting trends from all the other races in this primary cycle... she can only earn the nomination at convention when the SDs are allowed to vote
'Bad news coverage'? are you kidding me? Every 'news report' places SDs into the delegate count, how many times has Bernie been cut off from primary speeches? Bernie started this primary cycle as the 'marginal candidate' at single digit %...
'Fear on the faces of GOP'? are you kidding me? They're chomping at the bit to trash HRC and every one of the toxic issues that floats around her, her unfavorable % prove this out even BEFORE the real trash is tossed around that would occur within a GE cycle
I call BS on the down ballot bit, until she actually promotes and posts those $$ figures it's all just lip service
The OP clearly points to the 'entitled bit' so your point should be directed that way and to that person
'deserves to win the presidency', really? doubling down on the entitled bit with using the word 'deserves'? REALLY?
HRC supporters will become a greater joke when they do this and lose all respect in the process
Rebuild the one thing your candidate is losing badly with... HONESTY
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)...while this may be true, you are aware that Bernie beats Trump by larger margins than Hillary, right? And you may also be aware that at least in one poll, Trump beats Hillary. Just something to think about.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)If you don't want Trump getting elected, you should support Bernie. Hillary is damaged goods, and the damage is almost all totally self-inflicted.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)taking anything from you. In fact, if you look beyond your safety-zone, you'll see that Hillary supporters are actually giving you something - democracy. Because in a democracy, the majority wins.
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)I wasn't aware that we owe our "democracy" to Hillary. If that's the case, she needs to be president just to give thanks and appreciation.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)G_j
(40,366 posts)It has been an exceptional opportunity, one I didn't think was even possible in this day and age.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)While I prefer Bernie's message, he's unlikely to have the friendly environment that our revered Democrats had during their presidency's. Thus, even though he may be more 'pure' than Hillary, he is unlikely to be a successful President due to the current environment in this country. And to get back to my title up there, Hillary is at least 2/3 as progressive as Bernie, so really you're taking one step back of 3 IMO. I don't see the opportunity lost in as dramatic terms as you do due to the influence Congress and the mood of the country have on a President. Maybe perhaps Bernie is "The One", but my political instincts say "no". Good thoughtful post though, thanks - gave you a rec and I'm pretty cheap with handing them out
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)...and I would agree with most of what you have stated.
But let me respond in this way:
One of the major differences in Bernie Sanders and Obama (as a fellow Progressive) is their willingness to fight. I don't think that anyone out there would deny the fact that Bernie will fight for what he believes in to his last breath. Will he win his battles? I don't know. You correctly point out that the opposition would be formidable. It will help that Bernie has promised to use the bully pulpit to full advantage.
The point here is that I can count on Bernie to fight with everything he has. I have not felt that same sense of fight in Hillary...or at least I not sure if she is completely sincere.
-P
Dem2
(8,168 posts)The one thing that helps me when I have doubts about her is that I believe her when she says that she's a poor campaigner. I believe her when she says she's much better at the job than she is at the interview. I feel like she's the kind of person who doesn't over-promise. I believe that she's actually too honest - she says what she's thinking at the time and gets into trouble because it might vary from a statement that she's made in the past. She's a somewhat self-conscious introvert and as an introvert myself who sometimes has issues selling my abilities (and may do so awkwardly depending on the audience), I can relate to Hillary. I met her, shook her hand and looked into her eyes - she's actually a genuine person and her daughter is even more awkward socially and she's modest to boot - which I actually find compelling and a sign that Hillary is a good mother. I root for the socially awkward. Reason to vote for somebody? No. But I don't doubt her abilities or drive to do the right thing for this country.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)And I do not like strongly disagreeing with a Lady who seems so nice, but what are you thinking? LBJ, Jimmy Carter, and even Bill Clinton are not real Democrats? The fact that you failed to see the irony that your preferred candidate has only been a democrat for a one year is amazing. And suggesting that the last Democratic president served before you were even born just seems silly. One could just as easily suggest that the last Republican president was Teddy Roosevelt.
Clinton was a man of his time, had he run a Bernie like or even Hillary like campaign in 1992, he would have lost in a McGovern style defeat. Of course, as we now know, that might've been the preference of many of the posters here. It seems lots of people on DU hope for a democratic defeat if their candidate is not the nominee.
I will stop now. This is not my normal type of post. But it struck me the wrong way at the wrong time. The largest irony of my post is that I really like Bernie Sanders. But I understand how politics work. The enemy of great is perfect.
hschulein
(1,168 posts)Hi, I´m Hernan from Argentina and I run the Official Mike Malloy Youtube Channel.
Mike read your letter yesterday, I´m editing the video and uploading it to the channel.
This link will be posted.
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)Thank you