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NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
Wed May 4, 2016, 02:48 PM May 2016

US Judge: Clinton may be ordered to testify in records case

WASHINGTON (AP) — A federal judge says he may order Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton to testify under oath about whether she used a private email server as secretary of state to evade public records disclosures.

U.S. District Court Judge Emmet G. Sullivan on Wednesday signed an order granting a request from the conservative legal advocacy group Judicial Watch to question six current and former State Department staffers. The list includes some of Clinton's closest aides from her tenure as the nation's top diplomat.

Based on what might be gleaned in those interviews, Sullivan says in his order that a sworn deposition from Clinton "may be necessary."

More than three dozen lawsuits have been filed seeking copies of government records related to Clinton's service as secretary from 2009 to 2013.

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-05-04/us-judge-clinton-may-be-ordered-to-testify-in-records-case

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US Judge: Clinton may be ordered to testify in records case (Original Post) NWCorona May 2016 OP
GOP wont give up till she is destroyed. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #1
Very true but this is a Clinton appointed judge. nt NWCorona May 2016 #2
whooops, the truth hurts tomm2thumbs May 2016 #14
Yup! NWCorona May 2016 #19
self-inflicted wounds tomm2thumbs May 2016 #21
I have heard that elsewhere...almost verbatim - weird Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #47
It's the truth NWCorona May 2016 #48
That is what they say Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #49
It's not an issue of being fooled NWCorona May 2016 #51
Nope, it is a right wing conspiracy to destroy Hillary and that conspiracy is alive and well here Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #53
And that's your opinion but the FBI wouldn't be waiting this much time on nonsense. nt NWCorona May 2016 #56
The non stop promotion of this on DU is noted. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #59
Note away but I think it's silly not to expect this not to be covered here. NWCorona May 2016 #62
As you and a few others have said a few thousand times. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #63
The GOP conspiracy to destroy the Clinton's is alive and well. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #46
uh huh tomm2thumbs May 2016 #50
Incubated by Hillary's ineptitude and Poor Choices. frylock May 2016 #52
Whatever. That conservative political action group has Hortensis May 2016 #36
The FOIA lawsuits are entirely separate from... tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #38
No, this is "Judicial Watch" mischief. Don't you love the name? Hortensis May 2016 #41
I think one of the first FOIA lawsuits was from Vce News Ash_F May 2016 #54
Yes, I know it's a conservative group, and... tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #67
No. Appointed first by Ronnie Raygun and promoted by Poppy Bush. COLGATE4 May 2016 #37
Emmet G. Sullivan was appointed by Bill Clinton Ash_F May 2016 #3
facts are so inconvenient to the rw meme industry people roguevalley May 2016 #8
...and Obama's agencies/depts are continuing to investigate her, and a referral (case sent to DOJ) JudyM May 2016 #11
Also it was Obama's state department that referred the case to the FBI Ash_F May 2016 #13
This is a Federal judge, not the GOP. morningfog May 2016 #26
The FBI's investigation into Clinton's email server and whether or not she CoffeeCat May 2016 #65
Clinton ran the business of this country on personally owned equipment in the basement of her home. CentralCoaster May 2016 #4
What a shame RobertEarl May 2016 #7
"Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall." (Proverbs 16:18) CentralCoaster May 2016 #18
You know what they say about opinions and assholes; everybody's got one. politicaljunkie41910 May 2016 #25
If you don't like the "speculation", then don't read it eom tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #39
You do know that you can skip over any post you don't want to read? notadmblnd May 2016 #60
well, now we know something new grasswire May 2016 #5
Yup! This is just one of the many cases under Clinton's use of a server NWCorona May 2016 #6
and this is not related to the "interviews" by the FBI. grasswire May 2016 #9
Yup poor Martha, she should have listened to her lawyers NWCorona May 2016 #10
I think FBI may block her testimony... HooptieWagon May 2016 #12
I don't think so. grasswire May 2016 #15
If she tells the truth or lies she's toast. HooptieWagon May 2016 #17
... And since the FBI is moving slower, it will be helpful to have this testimony happen before the JudyM May 2016 #16
She won't testify...more crap Demsrule86 May 2016 #44
Apparently the judge, who was appointed by Bill, is the one with the intent to help tRump, eh? JudyM May 2016 #45
Good dana_b May 2016 #20
The answer seems obvious and not to sexy BootinUp May 2016 #22
Nope! No interest at all that Clinton might be compelled to testify under oath. nt NWCorona May 2016 #23
Not after what transpired last September, correct. BootinUp May 2016 #27
That had nothing to do with this NWCorona May 2016 #28
The public is tired of hearing about it and this story will do nothing BootinUp May 2016 #29
AFAIK public opinion has absolutely no bearing farleftlib May 2016 #66
K & R AzDar May 2016 #24
Of course she was trying "to evade public records disclosures". That was the entire point. arcane1 May 2016 #30
Yup. It will be interesting to find out what she deleted. IdaBriggs May 2016 #33
She'll privatize the entire executive branch if given the opportunity. arcane1 May 2016 #34
This is great news... Mike Nelson May 2016 #31
So it continues... bvf May 2016 #32
"from the conservative legal advocacy group Judicial Watch" VOX May 2016 #35
Conservative group or not, the fact... tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #43
K&R! KoKo May 2016 #40
Which probably means they have the evidence she did just that Matariki May 2016 #42
Why Bother? MattP May 2016 #55
The same reason they file birther lawsuits MattP May 2016 #57
You'll find out soon enough NWCorona May 2016 #58
Heads Up: This story is also available at Breitbart. nt BootinUp May 2016 #61
And the sky is blue NWCorona May 2016 #64
What a farce. Sparkly May 2016 #68
Well, this should be interesting. Peace Patriot May 2016 #69

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
49. That is what they say
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:17 PM
May 2016

This agenda is being exposed on the radio too, finally.

May be too late though, many unsuspecting liberal people have been fooled.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
51. It's not an issue of being fooled
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:19 PM
May 2016

This is complicated subject matter that most people know nothing about. On both sides.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
62. Note away but I think it's silly not to expect this not to be covered here.
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:35 PM
May 2016

She's being investigated by the FBI for Pete's sake.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
36. Whatever. That conservative political action group has
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:54 PM
May 2016

filed several suits to try to drag this out as long as possible. If she has to work a deposition into her schedule, she will. If only it could be in public, like that last Benghazi hearing, but of course that won't happen.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
38. The FOIA lawsuits are entirely separate from...
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:31 PM
May 2016

The ongoing FBI investigation. The case was referred to the FBI by Obama's State Department.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
41. No, this is "Judicial Watch" mischief. Don't you love the name?
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:39 PM
May 2016

Ultraconservative billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife (safely dead these past 2-3 years so we can't even fantasize about trying him for his crimes) funded their start-up to turn them on the Democrats.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
54. I think one of the first FOIA lawsuits was from Vce News
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:23 PM
May 2016

Which has been very favorable to Clinton this cycle.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
67. Yes, I know it's a conservative group, and...
Wed May 4, 2016, 06:58 PM
May 2016

Yes, I know they are motivated to submit these lawsuits to damage Clinton, but if the lawsuits were stupid which-hunt bullshit, they wouldn't get past their first hearing. The fact that they have moved from discovery to deposition phase tells me there is there there.

FYI...this is nothing like the Benghazi investigation that was run by the repub controlled congress and most definitely was politically motivated. The FOIA lawsuits are civil legal matters.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
37. No. Appointed first by Ronnie Raygun and promoted by Poppy Bush.
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:23 PM
May 2016

Sullivan was appointed by President Reagan to the Superior Court of the District of Columbia on October 3, 1984. On November 25, 1991, Sullivan was appointed by President George H. W. Bush to serve as an Associate Judge of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals.

JudyM

(29,233 posts)
11. ...and Obama's agencies/depts are continuing to investigate her, and a referral (case sent to DOJ)
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:17 PM
May 2016

is forthcoming, according a DOJ statement to the Court.

Continuing to say this is a GOP witch hunt is patently absurd!!

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
13. Also it was Obama's state department that referred the case to the FBI
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:19 PM
May 2016

They did this after Clinton gave them a hard time turning over the emails.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
65. The FBI's investigation into Clinton's email server and whether or not she
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:53 PM
May 2016

passed sensitive information through it--is not a right-wing issue.

This is a very serious issue within the Democratic party. Stop trying to paint this as a Republican hit job. This is an FBI investigation into the Democratic Party frontrunner. Who gives a flying fuck what the Republicans think or say. This is about US--as a party.

All Democrats should be asking questions about what is going on here. We should be able to discuss this like adults. This is about our frontrunner, this election and the entire Democratic party.

Any Democrat who bullies another Democrat into shutting up about this issue--is doing a disservice to the entire Democratic party.


 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
4. Clinton ran the business of this country on personally owned equipment in the basement of her home.
Wed May 4, 2016, 02:53 PM
May 2016

In my opinion, by secreting material from the public and subverting the Freedom of Information Act, the former Secretary of State has committed acts that should disqualify her from holding any future office of significance.

That's just common sense.

She should withdraw from the campaign and support Senator Sanders, and soon.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
7. What a shame
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:04 PM
May 2016

First her Iraq vote kept her from becoming a president, and now her misuse of State documents is going to make her withdraw.

She could have been president if not for her past!! I feel bad for all her supporters, they just didn't see it coming. But that's what skeletons do.

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
18. "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall." (Proverbs 16:18)
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:22 PM
May 2016

.
If ever this proverb fit a situation....


How much better it is to get wisdom than gold!
And to get understanding is to be chosen above silver.

The highway of the upright is to depart from evil;
He who watches his way preserves his life.

Pride goes before destruction,
And a haughty spirit before stumbling.

It is better to be humble in spirit with the lowly
Than to divide the spoil with the proud.




politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
25. You know what they say about opinions and assholes; everybody's got one.
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:34 PM
May 2016

Since none of these cases will rest on the opinions of anyone here on DU, can Bernie's people spare the rest of us the constant updates of their personal opinions. People who have sufficient competent knowledge of the law, and the evidence available regarding this matter will render a decision when they are ready to do so. Until then can those of you who are in possession of neither, cut with the daily speculation.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
60. You do know that you can skip over any post you don't want to read?
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:30 PM
May 2016

It is not a requirement to read everything posted. Here, we get to pick and choose. If you don't like it- move on. You have both an ignore and trash button.

So please, spare the rest of us your whining about it.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
5. well, now we know something new
Wed May 4, 2016, 02:55 PM
May 2016

No testimony has happened yet in the JW case.

A sworn deposition is bad news for her. A few weeks ago it was said that she would not be required to be under oath. This is an erosion of her status. Probably because she has pissed off the judge, who was appointed by her husband, incidentally.

This, it should be noted, is not part of the FBI investigation, which is broader and deeper.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
6. Yup! This is just one of the many cases under Clinton's use of a server
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:02 PM
May 2016

In this case I think they just had the hearing where JW had to submit what the scope of what the questions would be. So the fact that it's on to scheduling depositions is huge.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
9. and this is not related to the "interviews" by the FBI.
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:13 PM
May 2016

This is separate. A civil suit.

We do not know the schedule for the FBI interviews, which may or may not be under oath. However, it is always a crime to lie to the FBI, regardless of oath. Martha Stewart.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
12. I think FBI may block her testimony...
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:18 PM
May 2016

...until after they've interviewed her. And in both cases, she'll plead the 5th if she's under oath.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
15. I don't think so.
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:19 PM
May 2016

I think they will be very very happy to have this testimony in hand when they interview her. Just my guess.

If she pleads the 5th, she's toast.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
17. If she tells the truth or lies she's toast.
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:21 PM
May 2016

Her best chance is to clam up, and hope no more of her aides turn state's evidence.

JudyM

(29,233 posts)
16. ... And since the FBI is moving slower, it will be helpful to have this testimony happen before the
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:20 PM
May 2016

Dem convention. Assuming she doesn't persuade the judge to seal the testimony...

No witch hunt, just the truth.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
20. Good
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:26 PM
May 2016

let's get to the bottom of this. If she has nothing to worry about, then she won't need to be questioned.

BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
22. The answer seems obvious and not to sexy
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:29 PM
May 2016

No your honor, I did not.

I'll be surprised if this raises much interest.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
66. AFAIK public opinion has absolutely no bearing
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:59 PM
May 2016

on a criminal FBI investigation and its likelihood to result in an indictment.

Very few people wanted to hear about the Bill and Monica escapades and yet
look how that turned out. This is happening whether Hill supporters want to hear
about it or not.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
30. Of course she was trying "to evade public records disclosures". That was the entire point.
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:39 PM
May 2016

Just like when people in the Bush administration used RNC email addresses. Same reason.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
33. Yup. It will be interesting to find out what she deleted.
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:43 PM
May 2016

We already know she did "partial" deletions because of the six that Blumenthal turned in -- changing government records and thinking she could get away with it --shaking my head at the shame she brings our party.


 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
34. She'll privatize the entire executive branch if given the opportunity.
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:45 PM
May 2016

There's a word for that, I believe...

Mike Nelson

(9,953 posts)
31. This is great news...
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:40 PM
May 2016

...hope she is questioned soon! I'm sure Hillary would like them to move more quickly.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
35. "from the conservative legal advocacy group Judicial Watch"
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:51 PM
May 2016

I support Bernie, but this gambit is pure right-wing horseshit.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
43. Conservative group or not, the fact...
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:42 PM
May 2016

That this case has gone this far means there is substance to the alogations.

Keep in mind that this is a civil case based on FOIA...the FBI investigation is entirely separate and is a criminal investigation.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
69. Well, this should be interesting.
Wed May 4, 2016, 07:30 PM
May 2016

When Clinton was Sec of State, she wrote to the judge in the Drummond Coal death squad lawsuit asking him (but really telling him) NOT to require a deposition of Alvaro Uribe.

Uribe was basically the mafia boss of Colombia and president of that country during the Bush junta. With Clinton as Sec of State, Uribe (after CIA Director Panetta retired him as U.S. operative in Colombia) was given cushy academic sinecures at Harvard and Georgetown and a prestigious appointment to an international legal committee. Drummond Coal, an Alabama corporation operating in Colombia, was using death squads to solve its labor problems. The victims' surviving families brought the lawsuit. Uribe and his family members and political cronies have been firmly tied to the rightwing death squad activities in Colombia. (Some of them are already in jail for it.)

The judge--responding to the implication from Clinton that "national security" was involved--denied the families' request to depose Uribe.

So, now, Clinton has herself become subject to an inconvenient order for deposition, and doesn't seem to have a friend in the Obama administration (or the CIA) to intimidate the judge. Karma?

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