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Playinghardball

(11,665 posts)
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:20 PM May 2016

Hillary Clinton Should Concede to Bernie Sanders Before The FBI Reveals Its Findings

Millions of Democrats are voting for a presidential candidate linked to an FBI criminal investigation. These voters either don’t know there’s been a year-long FBI investigation of Clinton’s emails, don’t care, or would vote for Clinton even she faced Espionage Act indictments. Potentially our next Commander in Chief will be interviewed by the FBI soon, as will her top aides. This state of affairs would never take place in any other leading democracy, but American politics is unique.

Bernie Sanders has political momentum, grass roots support throughout the nation, and defeats Donald Trump by a wider margin than Clinton. Sanders has surged to within several points nationally of Clinton, despite being over 50 points down not long ago. In contrast, Clinton lost astronomical leads to both Obama and Sanders, and doesn’t keep polling leads. Furthermore, Trump won’t watch his tone about emails, and every other scandal associated with both Clintons. The pedestrian polling lead Hillary Clinton currently holds over Donald Trump isn’t set in stone; Trump is already ahead of Clinton in a recent poll.

Don’t be certain Trump can’t defeat Clinton in a general election, even if the FBI doesn’t recommend indictments. Once he pivots towards being a semi-normal human being, and distances himself from the bigoted stances he utilized to gain power within the GOP, Clinton would face a more “likable” Trump. In a battle of two individuals with negative favorability ratings, the person who might have jeopardized national security with a private server could easily lose.

In the best case scenario, Clinton doesn’t face indictments, but the FBI confirms that she jeopardized national security. Thus, Republicans would make even the best case scenario for Clinton’s campaign a major political liability. America isn’t a closed Democratic primary, and Clinton would be on the defensive during every televised debate against Trump.

This dynamic doesn’t exist with Bernie Sanders against Trump. All Bernie has to do is point and explain to America that Trump embodies everything wrong with money and politics. Bernie doesn’t have any controversies, or hidden Wall Street transcripts. Bernie also didn’t accept money from Donald Trump, but Hillary Clinton did take Trump’s money. While Bernie can distance himself completely, Clinton is too closely tied to the eventual GOP nominee, especially through their social networks. There’s a reason Trump invited the Clintons, and not Bernie and Jane Sanders, to his wedding. There’s also a reason Trump goes golfing with Bill, and not Bernie.

However, the biggest reason Clinton should concede to Bernie Sanders involves the political repercussions of the FBI’s email investigation. The long-term future of the Democratic Party rests upon whether or not the FBI discloses its findings before, or after the contested Democratic convention. While I believe Bernie Sanders will win the Democratic nomination, there’s a major issue few people have addressed in progressive circles.

What happens if Clinton wins the nomination, and the FBI recommends indictments after July 25, 2016?

If the FBI recommends indictments, and the DOJ indicts Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Party would be handing Donald Trump the White House by nominating the former Secretary of State. I explain in this YouTube segment why Clinton should concede the Democratic nomination to Bernie Sanders, before the political ramifications of a contested convention, and before the FBI discloses its findings.

First, there used to be a time in American history when Bernie Sanders would be the only choice for Democratic nominee. Not long ago, an FBI investigation meant the end of a presidential campaign. Clinton would have been forced to conceded at any point in U.S. history before 2016, linked to a criminal FBI investigation.

More here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/clinton-should-concede-to-sanders-before-fbi-reveals-findings_b_9836720.html

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Hillary Clinton Should Concede to Bernie Sanders Before The FBI Reveals Its Findings (Original Post) Playinghardball May 2016 OP
The true origin of Trump. guytonfox May 2016 #1
Republican MrWendel May 2016 #2
You see Lowrey hit that shot last night?... SidDithers May 2016 #9
Don't... MrWendel May 2016 #11
..... Quayblue May 2016 #23
I see the silly season has kicked up a gear I see. hrmjustin May 2016 #3
You know, bvf May 2016 #26
Lead by example. hrmjustin May 2016 #31
Did you really need it spelled out for you? bvf May 2016 #37
Very adult of you. hrmjustin May 2016 #39
Very careless of you. bvf May 2016 #41
Feel better? hrmjustin May 2016 #42
You? bvf May 2016 #44
It has been fun as always. hrmjustin May 2016 #46
No. bvf May 2016 #47
This is another tactic that the Sanders camp has tried to run with for months Tarc May 2016 #4
The nomination of Trump, and the impending nomination of Hillary John Poet May 2016 #34
Agreed---And some of them are right here on DU panader0 May 2016 #35
If you can't wow them, insult them? Tarc May 2016 #36
Thank God we've got the benefit of your super intelligence COLGATE4 May 2016 #38
Why should she concede when she is winning based on something that might not happen. Arkansas Granny May 2016 #5
What other Presidential Candidate would be running with an ongoing FBI Investigation? KoKo May 2016 #16
That might have been during the time when the GOP didn't make the conscious decision to politicaljunkie41910 May 2016 #22
Logical fallacy--the FBI isn't the GOP. BillZBubb May 2016 #27
That truck barreling down on me bvf May 2016 #29
How long until Goodman formally endorses Trump? tritsofme May 2016 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #7
So, the question is why is she being treated differently than anyone else would in her position? JudyM May 2016 #8
^^^^^^^^^^ this! ^^^^^^^^^^ mooseprime May 2016 #51
This question cannot be taken seriously by many in the HRC group... MrMickeysMom May 2016 #52
Or this could tarnish Obama's whole legacy. pdsimdars May 2016 #60
Interesting! JudyM May 2016 #63
I wonder what colour the sky is, in Goodman's world...nt SidDithers May 2016 #10
Bargaining... trying to create fear/uncertainty and trade it for a Bernie-vote. NurseJackie May 2016 #12
But..but.."I'm not a crook" would make a very eye-catching bumper sticker or slogan. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #13
good one pdsimdars May 2016 #61
There should be a codicil to DU's rules that forbids any article from H. A. Goodman to be posted Beacool May 2016 #14
Congratulations bvf May 2016 #43
You know where you can put your condescension? Beacool May 2016 #49
The dictionary is your friend. bvf May 2016 #54
Reality is your friend. Beacool May 2016 #56
You could do with a look-up on that one, too. bvf May 2016 #57
Bumper stickers "Vote Hillary! I haven't been indicted yet" Katashi_itto May 2016 #15
IF she is so eager to support the SCOTUS then leave it to a jwirr May 2016 #17
I have a feeling... Mike Nelson May 2016 #18
How does mentioning Hillary's criminal activities and utter disregard for nat'l security farleftlib May 2016 #19
I don't agree with you... Mike Nelson May 2016 #25
Why does your legal opinion without seeing the evidence ChairmanAgnostic May 2016 #33
Some people sure like begging the question anigbrowl May 2016 #55
That scenario should scare every Democrat to their very core. gordianot May 2016 #20
I'd add one more adjective to "every Democrat" => "every 'THINKING' Democrat" pdsimdars May 2016 #62
Would you still vote for her if she is indicted? casperthegm May 2016 #21
Ha ha is certainly predictable n/t Godhumor May 2016 #24
Goodman again? MineralMan May 2016 #28
Nixon was re-elected after Watergate happened. He destroyed the brand IdaBriggs May 2016 #30
This is the worst flaimbait I have ever seen on DU. FarPoint May 2016 #32
Not a DUzy Award, but ... a Doody Award instead. NurseJackie May 2016 #48
Hahahaha... FarPoint May 2016 #50
yup AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #40
Sanders gets ALL the delegates MFM008 May 2016 #45
K & R AzDar May 2016 #53
For the good of the Democratic Party and the American people, Clinton should concede now Time for change May 2016 #58
Something to think about, which is better, to be the lead candidate in a presidential race pdsimdars May 2016 #59

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
9. You see Lowrey hit that shot last night?...
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:25 PM
May 2016

Too bad they lost in OT, would have been a sweet comeback.



Sid

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
4. This is another tactic that the Sanders camp has tried to run with for months
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:22 PM
May 2016

but it has not resonated with the majority of the electorate.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
34. The nomination of Trump, and the impending nomination of Hillary
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:05 PM
May 2016

prove that the 'majority of the electorate'
are a pack of blithering idiots.

Arkansas Granny

(31,515 posts)
5. Why should she concede when she is winning based on something that might not happen.
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:23 PM
May 2016

That makes no sense at all to me.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
16. What other Presidential Candidate would be running with an ongoing FBI Investigation?
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:35 PM
May 2016


From the article:


First, there used to be a time in American history when Bernie Sanders would be the only choice for Democratic nominee. Not long ago, an FBI investigation meant the end of a presidential campaign. Clinton would have been forced to conceded at any point in U.S. history before 2016, linked to a criminal FBI investigation.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
22. That might have been during the time when the GOP didn't make the conscious decision to
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:43 PM
May 2016

criminalize everything, and the members of the Democratic party didn't chose to carry the GOP's water for them to get their candidate the nomination that he can't seem to earn on his own.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
27. Logical fallacy--the FBI isn't the GOP.
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:48 PM
May 2016

The FBI is looking into possible, serious criminal violations. Let that sink in if possible for you.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
29. That truck barreling down on me
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:52 PM
May 2016

at 60 mph in the wrong lane might swerve at the last minute, too.

Guess I'll just hit the gas, and hope for the best.

Fuck the back-seat passengers, right?

Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

JudyM

(29,236 posts)
8. So, the question is why is she being treated differently than anyone else would in her position?
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:25 PM
May 2016

First woman POTUS sanctification status? I.e., "hands off because she's a woman about to break the biggest glass ceiling so anything you say against her is de facto sexist"

Power/social connections as a Clinton?

Or because her only opponent, Bernie, is the biggest anti-corporate-corruption-including-political-corruption candidate ever and he is shaking the establishment to the core?


mooseprime

(474 posts)
51. ^^^^^^^^^^ this! ^^^^^^^^^^
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:24 PM
May 2016

the two-tiered justice system in our country is appalling.

steal a ballpoint pen and you're going to do hard time. con your way into millions and be a national hero.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
52. This question cannot be taken seriously by many in the HRC group...
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:36 PM
May 2016

But, the question has to be asked as to the inequality of how the law is applied.

JudyM

(29,236 posts)
63. Interesting!
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:53 PM
May 2016

Guaranteed he's already pissed. And having to spend time on this has got to be a PITA distraction, too.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
14. There should be a codicil to DU's rules that forbids any article from H. A. Goodman to be posted
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:31 PM
May 2016

on any DU board.

The guy is positively wacko and appears to live in a parallel world.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
43. Congratulations
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:28 PM
May 2016

on learning a new word. Now, if only you could understand its meaning, that would be even better.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
49. You know where you can put your condescension?
Wed May 4, 2016, 07:09 PM
May 2016

Right where you keep the unrealistic idea that Sanders still has a chance at the nomination.

What is it with reality and some of you folks?

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
17. IF she is so eager to support the SCOTUS then leave it to a
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:36 PM
May 2016

real winner. Bernie will nominate truly progressive candidates for the court.

Hers may support some progressive issues but you can bet that they are not going to be economically progressive.

Mike Nelson

(9,953 posts)
18. I have a feeling...
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:36 PM
May 2016

...Hillary won't be taking your advice. Stuff like this makes Bernie look bad - I have a feeling he would disapprove.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
19. How does mentioning Hillary's criminal activities and utter disregard for nat'l security
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:38 PM
May 2016

make Bernie look bad? Oh, let's not forget perjury.

Mike Nelson

(9,953 posts)
25. I don't agree with you...
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:44 PM
May 2016

...if Bernie does, he should start talking about Hillary as a criminal - immediately! That he does not indicates, to me, he agrees with me (that she is not a criminal).

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
33. Why does your legal opinion without seeing the evidence
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:03 PM
May 2016

Remind me of some remote diagnosis a senator did of a brain dead woman in Florida?

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
55. Some people sure like begging the question
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:25 AM
May 2016

Of course if the FBI never indicts her it will be dismissed as corruption. You clearly already have your mind made up since you're not inclined to wait around for evidence or charges.

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
20. That scenario should scare every Democrat to their very core.
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:39 PM
May 2016

On the positive side the Republican candidate is so odious he could reunite the Democratic Party quickly. On the downside even if cleared the cries of cover up will be incessant maybe a risk worth taking. The GOP is the party of fear and constant smear all they want is an excuse for their obstruction, as this drags on it will not go away.

casperthegm

(643 posts)
21. Would you still vote for her if she is indicted?
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:40 PM
May 2016

I know, I know; There's no way she could ever be indicted. Just right wing talk.

But what if she was indicted? Should she drop out at that point or would you want/expect her to continue to run?

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
30. Nixon was re-elected after Watergate happened. He destroyed the brand
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:52 PM
May 2016

and made "Republican" synonymous with "crook". Bill Clinton made illicit sexual liaisons a national embarrassment and insulted half the country with a mythical "vast right wing conspiracy" rather than confess to his wife he was cheating on her. Hillary and her Epic Bad Judgment over this situation and subsequent attempts to conceal her foolishness is well on the way to doing the same thing.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
48. Not a DUzy Award, but ... a Doody Award instead.
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:36 PM
May 2016

That's a more descriptively appropriate award for this OP.



 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
40. yup
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:19 PM
May 2016

It is outrageously irresponsible to take the risk that a probable FBI indictment recommendation will hand Trump the WH without a contest.

There's going to be hell to pay if that plays out.

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
58. For the good of the Democratic Party and the American people, Clinton should concede now
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:15 PM
May 2016

We cannot afford to have a President Trump.

If she doesn't concede before the convention, I believe that the only way to avoid the likelihood of a Trump Presidency would be for Bernie to run as an independent. He has so much wider appeal than Clinton. His favorability ratings are 20 points higher than hers, and more important, the more is becomes known to the American people the more his popularity rises, whereas Clinton's favorability continues to decline.

His far wider appeal than Clinton (latest poll has the country with 29% Democrats, 26% Republicans, and 42% independents) means that he may take more votes away from Trump by running than he takes away from Clinton. Some 3-way polling should be done to find out.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
59. Something to think about, which is better, to be the lead candidate in a presidential race
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:17 PM
May 2016

and have all the new hit the papers? Or to be out of the race and have it hit?
I think you take the harder hit if you are the central person in the news. . . .that is all you will hear about.
If you are at home with the grand children, you may be asked occassionally, but the main focus will be on the political race and not someone on the sidelines.

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