2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton Should Concede to Bernie Sanders Before The FBI Reveals Its Findings
Millions of Democrats are voting for a presidential candidate linked to an FBI criminal investigation. These voters either dont know theres been a year-long FBI investigation of Clintons emails, dont care, or would vote for Clinton even she faced Espionage Act indictments. Potentially our next Commander in Chief will be interviewed by the FBI soon, as will her top aides. This state of affairs would never take place in any other leading democracy, but American politics is unique.
Bernie Sanders has political momentum, grass roots support throughout the nation, and defeats Donald Trump by a wider margin than Clinton. Sanders has surged to within several points nationally of Clinton, despite being over 50 points down not long ago. In contrast, Clinton lost astronomical leads to both Obama and Sanders, and doesnt keep polling leads. Furthermore, Trump wont watch his tone about emails, and every other scandal associated with both Clintons. The pedestrian polling lead Hillary Clinton currently holds over Donald Trump isnt set in stone; Trump is already ahead of Clinton in a recent poll.
Dont be certain Trump cant defeat Clinton in a general election, even if the FBI doesnt recommend indictments. Once he pivots towards being a semi-normal human being, and distances himself from the bigoted stances he utilized to gain power within the GOP, Clinton would face a more likable Trump. In a battle of two individuals with negative favorability ratings, the person who might have jeopardized national security with a private server could easily lose.
In the best case scenario, Clinton doesnt face indictments, but the FBI confirms that she jeopardized national security. Thus, Republicans would make even the best case scenario for Clintons campaign a major political liability. America isnt a closed Democratic primary, and Clinton would be on the defensive during every televised debate against Trump.
This dynamic doesnt exist with Bernie Sanders against Trump. All Bernie has to do is point and explain to America that Trump embodies everything wrong with money and politics. Bernie doesnt have any controversies, or hidden Wall Street transcripts. Bernie also didnt accept money from Donald Trump, but Hillary Clinton did take Trumps money. While Bernie can distance himself completely, Clinton is too closely tied to the eventual GOP nominee, especially through their social networks. Theres a reason Trump invited the Clintons, and not Bernie and Jane Sanders, to his wedding. Theres also a reason Trump goes golfing with Bill, and not Bernie.
However, the biggest reason Clinton should concede to Bernie Sanders involves the political repercussions of the FBIs email investigation. The long-term future of the Democratic Party rests upon whether or not the FBI discloses its findings before, or after the contested Democratic convention. While I believe Bernie Sanders will win the Democratic nomination, theres a major issue few people have addressed in progressive circles.
What happens if Clinton wins the nomination, and the FBI recommends indictments after July 25, 2016?
If the FBI recommends indictments, and the DOJ indicts Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Party would be handing Donald Trump the White House by nominating the former Secretary of State. I explain in this YouTube segment why Clinton should concede the Democratic nomination to Bernie Sanders, before the political ramifications of a contested convention, and before the FBI discloses its findings.
First, there used to be a time in American history when Bernie Sanders would be the only choice for Democratic nominee. Not long ago, an FBI investigation meant the end of a presidential campaign. Clinton would have been forced to conceded at any point in U.S. history before 2016, linked to a criminal FBI investigation.
More here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/clinton-should-concede-to-sanders-before-fbi-reveals-findings_b_9836720.html
guytonfox
(16 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)Please.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Too bad they lost in OT, would have been a sweet comeback.
Sid
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)get me started on the Raps. They are gonna give me grey hairs faster than Obama.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)it never hurts to review your posts before committing, you know.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)I was making fun of you. It's never been easier.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)but it has not resonated with the majority of the electorate.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)prove that the 'majority of the electorate'
are a pack of blithering idiots.
panader0
(25,816 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)Sounds like a winning strategy.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)to show us where we're so misguided.
Arkansas Granny
(31,515 posts)That makes no sense at all to me.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)From the article:
First, there used to be a time in American history when Bernie Sanders would be the only choice for Democratic nominee. Not long ago, an FBI investigation meant the end of a presidential campaign. Clinton would have been forced to conceded at any point in U.S. history before 2016, linked to a criminal FBI investigation.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)criminalize everything, and the members of the Democratic party didn't chose to carry the GOP's water for them to get their candidate the nomination that he can't seem to earn on his own.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)The FBI is looking into possible, serious criminal violations. Let that sink in if possible for you.
bvf
(6,604 posts)at 60 mph in the wrong lane might swerve at the last minute, too.
Guess I'll just hit the gas, and hope for the best.
Fuck the back-seat passengers, right?
tritsofme
(17,377 posts)Anyone taking bets?
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JudyM
(29,236 posts)First woman POTUS sanctification status? I.e., "hands off because she's a woman about to break the biggest glass ceiling so anything you say against her is de facto sexist"
Power/social connections as a Clinton?
Or because her only opponent, Bernie, is the biggest anti-corporate-corruption-including-political-corruption candidate ever and he is shaking the establishment to the core?
mooseprime
(474 posts)the two-tiered justice system in our country is appalling.
steal a ballpoint pen and you're going to do hard time. con your way into millions and be a national hero.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)But, the question has to be asked as to the inequality of how the law is applied.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)JudyM
(29,236 posts)Guaranteed he's already pissed. And having to spend time on this has got to be a PITA distraction, too.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)on any DU board.
The guy is positively wacko and appears to live in a parallel world.
bvf
(6,604 posts)on learning a new word. Now, if only you could understand its meaning, that would be even better.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Right where you keep the unrealistic idea that Sanders still has a chance at the nomination.
What is it with reality and some of you folks?
bvf
(6,604 posts)Use one sometime.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Face it sometime.
bvf
(6,604 posts)The word, I mean.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)real winner. Bernie will nominate truly progressive candidates for the court.
Hers may support some progressive issues but you can bet that they are not going to be economically progressive.
Mike Nelson
(9,953 posts)...Hillary won't be taking your advice. Stuff like this makes Bernie look bad - I have a feeling he would disapprove.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)make Bernie look bad? Oh, let's not forget perjury.
Mike Nelson
(9,953 posts)...if Bernie does, he should start talking about Hillary as a criminal - immediately! That he does not indicates, to me, he agrees with me (that she is not a criminal).
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Remind me of some remote diagnosis a senator did of a brain dead woman in Florida?
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)Of course if the FBI never indicts her it will be dismissed as corruption. You clearly already have your mind made up since you're not inclined to wait around for evidence or charges.
gordianot
(15,237 posts)On the positive side the Republican candidate is so odious he could reunite the Democratic Party quickly. On the downside even if cleared the cries of cover up will be incessant maybe a risk worth taking. The GOP is the party of fear and constant smear all they want is an excuse for their obstruction, as this drags on it will not go away.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)casperthegm
(643 posts)I know, I know; There's no way she could ever be indicted. Just right wing talk.
But what if she was indicted? Should she drop out at that point or would you want/expect her to continue to run?
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)If he says it, you can count on it being wrong. He proves that on almost a daily basis.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)and made "Republican" synonymous with "crook". Bill Clinton made illicit sexual liaisons a national embarrassment and insulted half the country with a mythical "vast right wing conspiracy" rather than confess to his wife he was cheating on her. Hillary and her Epic Bad Judgment over this situation and subsequent attempts to conceal her foolishness is well on the way to doing the same thing.
FarPoint
(12,351 posts)Maybe a DUzy Award will be given...
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)That's a more descriptively appropriate award for this OP.
FarPoint
(12,351 posts)Yes! You bet!
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)It is outrageously irresponsible to take the risk that a probable FBI indictment recommendation will hand Trump the WH without a contest.
There's going to be hell to pay if that plays out.
MFM008
(19,808 posts)from the state of DENIAL.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Time for change
(13,714 posts)We cannot afford to have a President Trump.
If she doesn't concede before the convention, I believe that the only way to avoid the likelihood of a Trump Presidency would be for Bernie to run as an independent. He has so much wider appeal than Clinton. His favorability ratings are 20 points higher than hers, and more important, the more is becomes known to the American people the more his popularity rises, whereas Clinton's favorability continues to decline.
His far wider appeal than Clinton (latest poll has the country with 29% Democrats, 26% Republicans, and 42% independents) means that he may take more votes away from Trump by running than he takes away from Clinton. Some 3-way polling should be done to find out.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)and have all the new hit the papers? Or to be out of the race and have it hit?
I think you take the harder hit if you are the central person in the news. . . .that is all you will hear about.
If you are at home with the grand children, you may be asked occassionally, but the main focus will be on the political race and not someone on the sidelines.