Do some of you hope Trump wins so you can say "I told you so?"

[Actor]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by In_The_Wind (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

I think so, and I wonder who here can admit it.

This is assuming Bernie loses the nomination, of course.

And he may not, but he probably will.

[morningfog]

1. No. Good god no.

[beveeheart]

15. What you said!

[chknltl]

2. Nope. nt

[nc4bo]

3. You keep thinking your happy thoughts

Though you could not be more wrong.

[Actor]

4. I am so glad to hear that, I truly am. Knowing more and more Bernie people will vote

for Hillary if they have to, warms my heart.

[nc4bo]

13. No one is forced to vote for Hillary.

People vote for their own personal reasons, as is their right.

The ONLY thing I care about if Sanders does not win is Democrats vote down ticket especially Sanders' Dems.

Other than that, to each his or her own. Vote your conscious!

[Actor]

14. So you dont care if Trump wins the White House?

[demwing]

23. the two do not equate and you know it

You're not looking for reassurance, you're looking for an argument.

[Actor]

24. I am confused, either you agree Hillary is ten thousand times more preferable in the WH

than any con or you dont.

Liberals believe she is.

[demwing]

111. See, you've already changed your question

you're not looking for answers, you want arguments.

[Adrahil]

32. Either Clinton or Trump will win in November.

If you don't want Trump to win, the only reasonable alternative is to vote for Clinton.

[nc4bo]

25. Every person has a right to vote for whomever. Neither me, you or Jesus the Christ

can connive/con/force someone into making a decision counter to their own very personal reasons.

If someone chooses not to vote for candidate X or chooses to sit it out, , I will argue/try to convince that change begins at the bottom and we must vote for good liberal candidates down ballot, up ballot be damned.

You are free to read into THAT whatever the hell you want to read into it.

[Actor]

28. Not reading into anything. You have two choices in November, you are saying you have 3.

[nc4bo]

31. You read what I said. Go create your little narrative on someone somewhere else.

I'll not allow you or your crew to play that game with me.

[TM99]

134. Probably quite a few more than

three will be on many if not all state's ballots.

Yes, Virginia there are more parties in this country than just two.

[litlbilly]

40. Youre basically trying to blame a trump WH on Bernie people not voting for Hill.

Stop the bait bullshit. If it is a Hill nom, we are all screwed, and its on her and her supporters, not us.

[Actor]

43. That is exactly who will be to blame. Anyone who would vote for Bernie but wont vote for Hillary

[litlbilly]

49. I became an indie many years ago, i joined the dem party in july so I could vote for

Bernie. I owe you and everyone else exactly nothing. get over it. I will vote for whomever I chose
and feel good about it.

[Actor]

51. Owe nothing, correct. Be blamed for Trump, also correct.

[litlbilly]

56. Good luck with that. btw, ignore for you. getting old real fast

[Ned_Devine]

75. I tend not to respond to this type of bait

Especially from someone that just signed up for the site two weeks ago. You know, the CTR people put up $1 million to have people write just the kind of post that this person is writing.

[litlbilly]

76. I hear ya. they put a Bernie logo up and think we are fooled.

[Jester Messiah]

83. Heh, nope.

The people who tried to cram Hillary down our throats will be to blame. You were told time and again what would happen and you persisted anyway. Own the consequences of your actions.

[Actor]

90. Trump thanks you...he really does. The human race not so much.

[Fairgo]

5. The dregs of identity politics

No, I want democracy back so we can save the planet, purge corruption, and restore social & economic justice for all. Neither presumptive of the nominees takes us in that direction.

[Sky Masterson]

6. We Dread having to say it

I will take no joy in it at all.

[NurseJackie]

20. One prolific poster (who shall remain unnamed) said ...

"I can't wait to tell you I told you so!"

How would you interpret that? As someone who dreads the possibility they've imagined? Or does it express eager hope and anticipation and a desire to say those words?

If someone is hoping for the worst possible outcome for no reason other than "revenge" or the personal satisfaction of having a "told-ya-so" ... I seriously question that person's priorities (and sanity).

[Warren DeMontague]

27. A lot of people have said a lot of stupid shit, here.

Some folks even have transparency pages showing that make it easier to find the worst examples.

[Sky Masterson]

34. I can't speak for others

Only myself.
And I can tell you as a fact that I will never in a million years take joy in seeing a trump presidency.
I don't yearn to be able to throw my prediction in peoples faces.
I want to be wrong.
I want to go to bed on Election night thinking, Well hell! Guess the American Electorate is smarter than I thought!
But this American Electorate reelected Bush 2 , So I have little faith in it.

[pat_k]

7. Of course not.

To declare that Hillary will lose is to declare a complete lack of confidence in "people power" (i.e., lack of confidence in our power to make sure that doesn't happen).

Such declarations of powerlessness strike me as being completely at odds with Sanders' message.

[Trust Buster]

8. I think Trump will receive millions of Democratic votes out of fear. This guy is not messing around.

[Actor]

12. What? Fear of what?

Are you saying there is more to fear from Hillary than Trump?


???

[Trust Buster]

18. Trump is a textbook Fascist. He will not follow the law. As Trump and Sanders decimate Hillary,

people might have no choice but to think of the future of their families. Trump is the real deal. He's not messing around.

[Fumesucker]

29. We have been told time after time over the last eight years that a President is powerless

The American system is designed to thwart fast changes, Trump will get little accomplished without an acquiescent Congress and we all know the Republicans hate him worse then the Democrats.

[Trust Buster]

35. Trump is a shrewd operator. If he gives Republicans the Supreme Court they want, they will work

with him and against us.

[Warren DeMontague]

37. I'm not following your logic, here.

if we can call it that.

[Trust Buster]

45. History is strewn with those who have said the same.

[Warren DeMontague]

47. History is strewn with people who couldnt follow your logic?

Fuck, Yoda, how old ARE you?

[Trust Buster]

50. That was the same attitude Trump's campaign challengers had. They've been defeated.

[Codeine]

61. Are you drunk?

No snark; honest question. You seem intoxicated.

[Warren DeMontague]

95. Trump's campaign challengers thought you weren't making any sense?

Old and apparently extremely connected in DC. Impressive!

[arcane1]

9. Well, I'm glad you joined DU to make absurd judgements about people

[bigwillq]

10. Not me (nt)

[cali]

16. Not even a little bit. And I think she'll be a very poor president

But she's sane. He is not.

[Actor]

17. But you will vote for her if need be, great.

[Blue_In_AK]

26. Four years is all.

I guess we can tolerate her for four years. I don't foresee her running again in 2020. I could be wrong.

[redwitch]

19. No! nt

[CincyDem]

21. Absolutely f'ing NOT

But here's the issue that scares the living hell out of me.

Trump is changing the decision making vectors in politics. I haven't nailed it down in my own mind but he's forcing people to make different decisions.

There is NO question HRC is far far far (did I say far) more qualified to do the job than anyone in the race. And for those who make their decisions on qualifications, she's a no brainer. But let's not forget the popularity of Dancing with the Stars, Survivor, The Biggest Loser, or The Bachelor...those folks aren't thinking about qualifications. I don't know what the f*ck they're deciding on but this campaign is going to be work, that's for sure.

If Trump successfully turns this into a race between insiders and outsiders...this could get ugly. Think Blackberry. It was a chitty phone but it killed market leader Motorola just by changing the decision vectors.

[GoneFishin]

30. I support Bernie. If that doesn't work out, any shit that happens is on the people who didn't

and caused us to be sent down the wrong path.

[Actor]

33. I dont understand, you mean you will let Trump take over? Really?

[GoneFishin]

42. Nope. I will let you work it out. Like two drunks fighting over who gets to drive. I don't think

either one should get behind the wheel. But since they both told me to fuck off when I offered my opinion I will just let them go at it.

[WhiteTara]

99. Okay, I think we understand you. Count you as a yes.

[G_j]

36. Nice projection

but I doubt that.

[Actor]

39. Seems that way, though. I would go so far as to say that some will make sure and not vote

for Hillary so it can come true.

I think many of the alleged libertarians who support Bernie are not now nor have they ever been liberals, they just think Bernie will put more money in their pockets.

I want Bernie for a variety of reasons, but I dont only care about my pocketbook, some do though.

[G_j]

109. sounds like projection to me

I know dozens of supporters in REAL LIFE. None fit your description.

[farleftlib]

38. This is an utter bullshit flamebait thread

[Actor]

41. Really? I apologize to you as you clearly will be voting for the Democrat no matter who it is

[litlbilly]

54. I will be voting for the true Democrat/progressive/liberal, and that is Bernie.

[Kelvin Mace]

44. I hope Sanders wins.

since anything else will be dire for the country in either the long or short term.

[Actor]

46. So do you apply equal dire for Hillary and Trump?

[Kelvin Mace]

65. Yes, it comes down to climate change

Trump will work against or to undo any climate mitigation. HRC will drag her feet until the damage is irreversible. Only Sanders will try and act immediately.

All other issues are pretty insignificant next to climate change, and HRC will not cross her Wall Street friends.

[Actor]

68. So fuck all the minorities and so on, understood.

[TM99]

135. Pretty rich

about minorities when the Clintons both have a history of racist bullshit surrounding them from the 2008 campaign to superpredators being brought to heel to mass incarceration & expansion of the war on drugs to arrogant dismissal of BLM activists, and the list goes on.

You want a candidate for minorities, then you should have gone with Sanders. Now your choices (if you believe there are only two) are Trump and Clinton.

[ibegurpard]

48. No but I will certainly relish doing so if I'm right

It will be the only bright spot in an otherwise dark day.

[Actor]

52. So you will enjoy watching the world destroyed. I believe that, I believe some of you

are

well

never mind.

[litlbilly]

64. with the income inequality, fracking( which your girl not only endorses, but pushes worldwide) we

are already destroyed. the heating of the planet is worse than anyone thought. There is a huge list I don't have time to list but just wanted to answer before you go on the ignore list.

[Actor]

66. Not my girl, I support her to the same extent Bernie does. You are advocating for Trump.

[redwitch]

112. Henry Kissinger is her mentor.

The world is already being destroyed by "statesmen" like him all over the world.

P.S. Your avatar is NOT Dylan. And DU sucked less before you came for your little performance.

[Actor]

114. not Dylan. And any support of Trump is worse than what I do here.

[redwitch]

116. Not supporting Trump.

And you annoy me as much as his followers. Which is why you will shortly be joining my rather cumbersome ignore list.

[Codeine]

53. Of course they do.

It's obvious in their posts. There's a desperate energy to prove they were right to back Sanders and denigrate Hillary.

[The Second Stone]

55. No, if Sanders is the nominee by some great tragedy

I will vote for him as the nominee.

[doc03]

57. No doubt there are some n/t

[peace13]

58. No

I want Bernie to win. Hillary is an obstacle. If she wins it will be sadness and I make no decisions today about what I would do in that case. It is nothing that has to be decided today. If people refuse to look at character and past actions before they vote that blood is on their hands.

[Actor]

62. The success of the right wing destroy Hillary machine is awesome. I mean I hate to

see allegedly liberal people say the crap some do here about how bad Hillary is, but I know why they do it.

I wish more were not so susceptible but they are.

[peace13]

69. Well I'm liberal..

...and say that she comes with a lot of baggage that is hers to own!

[Actor]

71. So fuck the minorities and everybody Trump will harm, got it.

[peace13]

86. If you were interested in minorities you would be for Bernie.

He has had the backs of minorities since day one. And...you don't need to be rude.

[Actor]

91. I am , but that isnt the point, is it.

[whathehell]

59. No, and Hell no...

Jeebus, there's bigger issues in the world than being able to be smug.

[JoePhilly]

60. Some of them do but can't say that out loud.

Its a very very small percentage, but it exists.

Let Trump have 4 years ... wreck everything ... and then Bernie or some new liberal messiah ushers in the revolution. That's the idea.

Its insane, but its out there.

[Actor]

63. I dont know who to be angrier at, rightwingers who know nothing and vote trump, or

libertarians who know the harm he will do and still do nothing about it.

[JoePhilly]

78. Interesting point ... many of them ...

... hate government so much, letting Trump totally screw things up probably helps their cause. Just more "proof" that the government sucks.

[farleftlib]

74. Speaking of insane and out there

Look into a mirror, Joe. Nobody in Bernie's camp wants that. You are obviously
projecting. Bernie's revolution does not require, nor would it benefit from, a Trump
term in office.

[JoePhilly]

88. Spare me ... I've been on this site for a long time.

There has ALWAYS been a small and angry contingent here who thinks the country will never embrace their version of utopia until the economy totally crashes and capitalism is no more. Anytime the DOW drops over 200 points they see their fantasy future racing towards us.

Meanwhile ... you call this "Bernie's revolution" ... which is nonsense.

Back in 2014, the "revolution" as you call it wanted Warren, not Bernie. Warren said "No", so Bernie said "Ok, I'll do it."

Back in 2011, the "revolution" wanted a primary challenge of Obama. Of course the "revolution" lacked an actual candidate.

The reason the "revolution" fails is because it does not have the determination to build up an ARRAY of "acceptably liberal" candidates at all levels. Instead, the "revolution" waits for a Warren, or a Sanders to step up and slay the dragon.

Its not a winning strategy.

[farleftlib]

97. Yeah, a winning strategy

Like the DNC putting all their eggs in one basket and supporting only one candidate.
The most distrusted politician ever. The Republicans will make hay with her idiotic and
illegal decision to conduct the country's most delicate and confidential business on an
unsecured server. She's toast and it's not Bernie supporters' fault. It's gonna be a beat
down because people will come out in droves to vote against her and it's not us.

[JoePhilly]

108. That's a bunch of ranting, not a statement of "strategy".

The DNC exists to help Democrats get elected. You might argue as to whether they are good at that job, but that is irrelevant.

Bernie decided to become a Democrat and by doing so, has to follow the same rules as any other Democrat.

As for the GOP "making hay" ... I'm sorry, but did you sleep through the Obama Presidency? The GOP will crucify ANY candidate we put forward. Its what they do. The funny thing is, they've been trying to crucify Hillary for more than 2 decades, and she's still standing, and still kicking ass.

The email thing is nonsense, and everyone knows it. Sure, the RW will masturbate itself into a frenzy over it. And some Bernie fans hang all their hopes on it ... but no one else cares. Consider that official government email servers have been HACKED. Hillary's server, was not hacked. Its a scandal in which nothing actually happened.

As for "fault" with Bernie supporters. Who gives a shit? We need another Dem in the White House, period. So sure, you can stay home and pout, or only vote down ticket, or vote green or some other nonsense party.

As I explained earlier ... you guys aren't in for the long haul anyway. The "revolution" is fickle.

[farleftlib]

118. Wow you accused me of ranting

and respond with that delusional crap? Pot meet kettle.

Deal with the fact that HRC is detested and polarizing and she ain't gonna win squat.

[JoePhilly]

120. She'll win the Dem nomination and the General election.

But you are free to hope otherwise.

[farleftlib]

124. Oh why thank you

for taking a break from your pipe dream to grant me your permission to speak truth. You also
may now continue fantasizing about the impossible.

[JoePhilly]

125. I predicted that the "revolution" woud waste the years from 2011-2016 ...

... whining about Obama and not building up an arrray of candidates for 2016.

I was right then.

I'll be right in June, and November.

Meanwhile, you will be creating new conspiracy theories as to why you were wrong.

[drray23]

133. unfortunately true.

There is a reddit thread that is higjly upvoted right now which advocates actually voting for trump for that exact reason. Bring about the demise of parties and influence of money in politics. These people are desulusionned to thing electing trump would accomplish that.

[ciaobaby]

67. Getting so tired of this

If HRC is the democratic nominee and loses to Trump that's on Hillary and no one else.
She chose her affiliations with wall street, she chose to keep secret her wall street speeches, she chose to flip flop on nearly every liberal social justice issue, she chose to eagerly accept the support of big pharma, private prisons, and corporate thieves, and she certainly should have known using a private server in her own home for secure government business would come under question. And Henry Kissinger !!! really?
She certainly has not earned my vote.

[Actor]

70. BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT

You deserve no more than that.

[ciaobaby]

82. Just a tad sensitive don't you think ? Truth hurts.

[Actor]

87. BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT

[amborin]

72. in the old days, this was called flame bait

[Actor]

73. If you dont want to answer, fine.

[farleftlib]

85. It still is...

The intent of the OP was for the Bernie or Busters to out themselves so the
poster and other Hill bots could pile on. They are coming to the sad but true
realization that HRC will lose badly in the GE and they want to set up a
scapegoat ahead of time to blame the hot mess of a candidate that is HRC.

[danimich1]

77. You people need to stop.

[pangaia]

79. Do you think your avatar would have baited people with such a question?

I doubt it.

[Actor]

80. What does that mean?

Dylan would not want to talk to someone who allowed Trump to become president.

[Scurrilous]

84. The people wrongly predicting a Trump victory over Hillary in the GE...

...will all quietly disappear come nighttime November 8th.

Or maybe sooner!

[Jack Bone]

89. turn on the TV...Trump has already won!!

[NRaleighLiberal]

92. You are all getting so predictable and boring.

[highprincipleswork]

93. Not at all, but I am ready and waiting to say "I told you so" many times. Just because you all

have been so adamant at turning down our best chance for Progressive government in decades.

[Actor]

94. Yes then, you are looking forward to it, will you help the effort by not voting for her?

[highprincipleswork]

96. No, that's your assumption and rather perverse way of spinning things, common in the Hillary Group

I find.

My vote, that is for me to know, and depends on how she and the Democratic Party acts. If they pivot every which way to Sunday to some unacceptable rightward stance, then I'm just going to have to see. I will definitely vote and campaign and work for and donate to every Democrat that stands up for traditional Democratic values however.

[Actor]

98. Love this answer, if HIllary GIVES YOU PERSONALLY what YOU PERSONALLY want

you might vote for her.

And if you dont then so who the fuck cares about the people Trump will harm.


Jesus christ, this SICK

[TM99]

136. So you are voting for Clinton out of the goodness

of your heart with no selfish intentions?

That is a steaming pile of bullshit.

You and everyone else who supports here believes you will get something under her administration. She will promise and pander like any pol except she has a history of flip flopping, lying, and fucking over those who brought her to the dance.

[Smarmie Doofus]

100. Too many assumptions there. Short answer: no.

I'll say this: I'd like to have a better sense of what a President Trump would do wrt foreign policy.

Clinton is a clear and present danger to world peace.

Lots of (non-white) people are going to die, unnecessarily, under a Clinton presidency. ( I include "non-white" because there's a chance it it will catch the attention of some portion of a huge portion her slavish, star-struck political fan-base.)

This we know by what she's said, and by what she's done. Over many years.

Trump is a tabula rasa...Christ, Clintonites, look it up if you don't know what it means.... in spite of his vague/wild/ pronouncements re.
ISIS, etc.

It *appears* that he ( Trump) knows next to nothing.

However.... ignorance ... in this VERY particular case....may indeed be bliss.

All, i know for *sure* is that I don't want Clinton conducting US foreign policy over the next four years.

[Actor]

103. Jesus, I cant believe what I am reading. I really cant...S I G H

[Smarmie Doofus]

107. Emote... if you wish.

That takes a minute. More or less. ( You're right on time.)

*Reflection* .... esp. when the proposition challenges one's biases... usually take s a lot longer.

[redwitch]

123. He or she learned how to emote in drama school.

Fainting will be next.

[NorthCarolina]

101. If there are, they probably won't have to "hope" too hard. nt

[Actor]

104. Another Trump supporter? Is that what I can take from this?

[NorthCarolina]

105. You can take away whatever floats your boat I suppose.

Trump falls into the same category as Hillary for me; unsupportable.

[GreenPartyVoter]

102. Either Trump or Clinton winning will afford us ample opportunities on that score.

Mark my words.

[tymorial]

106. You are probably right

And it makes me wonder why so many people are stuck in adolecence.

[Marrah_G]

110. The thought of a Trump presidency scares the hell out of me

I think Hillary will not win the general. That does not mean I want her to not win the general.

[99Forever]

113. I'll vote my conscience and let the cards fall where they may.

The lessor of two evils is still evil.

Not good enough. What you may or may not think of my position, means absolutely jack shit to me. Save your scare tactics for the feeble-minded.

[Actor]

115. let the cards fall, translation: you dont give a shit who it harms

Thanks for being honest about it though.

To be honest and fair, is this place supposed to be only for liberals?

[99Forever]

121. Clinton people don't give a shit who they harm.

I actually am a liberal. Clinton isn't, but she does play one on the campaign stages. I'm not fooled by her lies, I guess you are.

[Actor]

122. Either you are part of the process that stops Trump from destroying the country and maybe

all life on the planet, or you are not.

I get the feeling you will opt out and let him destroy.

[99Forever]

127. Bullshit.

"Stopping tRump" isn't enough. Neoliberals are NOT liberals. Republican Lite will only delay the damage.

We NEED an actual real liberal in the WH.

You really don't know what an actual real liberal is, do you?

[TM99]

138. He doesn't get paid

to know what an actual liberal is.

He is just another low post count poster that we have seen more and more of here at DU pushing the 'you want Trump' meme if you don't vote for Clinton.

It is FUD. It is bullshit. It is propaganda.

[artislife]

117. It is my policy to put posters on ignore who have decided

to arrive in the last couple of months to this site.

Buh Bye!

[Actor]

119. Trump thanks you

[NV Whino]

126. No. But if he does, I will.

[Beacool]

128. There have been quite a few posts stating that Hilary will lose to Trump.

I think that some do secretly wish that she would lose so they can rub it in our faces. The fact that a Trump win would damage the country in many ways, seems to be something that doesn't concern them much.

[B Calm]

129. No! We hope Bernie wins so we can say "We told you so!"

[kayakjohnny]

130. Your post is crap.

I told you so.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

131. No. But I am telling you right now that it's a bad idea to run her.

I will take no joy in telling you that you were told. But none of that has come to pass, and it doesn't have to if we nominate a Sanders.

[TM99]

132. Sadly, if we must inform y'all

that y'all were wrong to pick Clinton, then there is little joy in that.

On the plus side, 2018 will be a strong Democratic mid-term turn-out and 2020 should be as well.

[LWolf]

137. Er...no. Just no. nt

[Lizzie Poppet]

139. Not exactly, no.

Trump winning would be bad. Possibly spectacularly bad. I only barely prefer Princess Weathervane...but I do prefer her.

But if/when she loses, will I return here after the GE, un-Ignore the worst of the Hillary camp, the condescending, nasty jackass contingent, and rub their noses in it as a way to alleviate, if only for a moment, my fears for the future? Fucking right I will...