If you think the state with 40 million people, the state that best represents the US demographically

[onecaliberal]

Should not have their voices heard in the primary, would you please explain exactly why? What if California voted first, then said no need for other states to vote because we are the largest state with the biggest population. Let the losing candidate drop out. How would you feel about that?
Unless you are ready to give up your own vote, stop trying to disenfranchise 40 million people. It makes you sound like a god damn republican.

[LonePirate]

1. For crying out loud, no one is telling Californians to stay home and not vote.

Go to polls on June 7 and vote. It's absurd to claim that people don't want the state to vote.

[TM99]

4. Yes, actually you are.

This is called a double message.

One layer is that it is over folks. We are in GE mode. Sanders has lost. It is done.

The other layer is well y'all can still vote of course. Your votes still count. No one is saying you can't vote. Blah fucking blah blah blah.

It is absurd to claim that adults don't recognize this type of communication when it is being directed at them.

[LonePirate]

7. Don't accuse me of something I didn't do.

I never said Californians should not vote.

As for double messages, the nonsense spewed by the OP is a double message as it is signaling that Dems are trying to disenfranchise other Dems which is beyond ridiculous. Nothing could be further from the truth. People should go vote regardless of who is or who is not on the ballot. Neither you or me have any say whatsoever in that regard.

Also, Sanders has not lost. He still has a chance to win. Granted, it's a miniscule chance but it is still a chance. Whether the same can be said on June 7, that's another story.

[TM99]

8. If you repeat variations on those Clinton

communication messages then you are.

[LonePirate]

9. I deal in specifics while you deal in generalities. Big difference there.

[TM99]

10. Tell yourself what ever

makes you feel better. I really could care less.

[laserhaas]

16. Concur

[JoePhilly]

23. They build a strawman, light him on fire, then dance around screaming.

[Agschmid]

27. Yup.

Luckily we've all got a "mute" button.

[Tarc]

2. California wa sa part of Super Tuesday in 2008, y'know

Go take it up with your state reps for shuffling it to the back of the deck.

It's a simple fact that the nomination is wrapped up now, California cannot magically #berniemath your man to the nomination, sorry.

[Urchin]

5. Here's a reason Bernie needs to stay in it

If either Hillary or Trump becomes the next president, four years from now, most of us will be as bad off economically as we now are--or maybe even worse.

And then, four years from now, some other candidate like Bernie Sanders will again try for the nomination.

And that candidate's supporters will be able to look at how well Sanders did in 2016, and that will show them that their candidate can really win the nomination in 2020 because the mood of the voters will be even more receptive to a candidate of the people.

[Tarc]

6. No Democrat is going to mount a mid-stream challenge to a sitting Dem president

Seriously, come back to Earth, Major Tom.

[Jim Lane]

11. 1968. 1980. You're still allowed to read Wikipedia even though you've been banned from editing. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

15. ssssszzzzzzzzzttt.

talk about feel the bern!

[Tarc]

20. I've had a new account since the day after that roadjob, Jim. :)

Please don't delude yourself into thinking your checkusers are all-seeing, or even competent.

Also, 76 and 80 are ancient history.

[Live and Learn]

14. Plllease. With all the mistakes Hillary makes, it is a given. nt

[Tarc]

21. It would be smacked down as hard as it could possibly be

The Sanders camp complains about the DNC and the rest of the system being stacked against them now? They have no idea what'd hit them if Sanders tried a 2020 challenge.

[Live and Learn]

41. Who said anything about Sanders? nt

[uponit7771]

19. Except for Sanders, that's what he wanted for Obama when he said he'd support a primary challenge

... of him.

The Burn the Village Down to save it attitude of the far left is a complete turn off.

[JoePhilly]

25. Major Tom and friends would need a candidate in 2020 ...

... and they won't have one ... just like the didn't have one in 2012 when they called for a primary challange against Obama.

They'll hope some one appears as if by magic.

[Armstead]

39. Early 2015: Clinton has the nomination sealed up. She will sail through unless Biden decides to run.

Slightly later 2015: Bernie Sanders will challenge Clinton in the primary. But he's just a fringe left candidate who will only carry Vermont in the Primary and get 5 percent of the vote.

2016 -- Sanders wins numerous primaries, nearly tied in others and has earned about 40 percent of the votes case so far. This in a campaign against the most powerful political machine in modern memory.

Yeah the Sanders campaign, and the people who support him are dumb and politically incapable of anything.

[NorthCarolina]

35. I can just about guarantee that party rules will be changed to greatly enhance

protections against another grassroots candidacy like Bernie Sanders from ever challenging the establishment again.

[bkkyosemite]

26. Bull shit

[Tarc]

30. "California primary move creates Super-duper Tuesday"

California primary move creates Super-duper Tuesday

SACRAMENTO, California (CNN) -- After trooping through the snows of Iowa and New Hampshire early next year, America's quadrennial gaggle of would-be presidents will be singing a new tune -- "California, Here We Come."

The Golden State's presidential primary was moved to February 5, 2008, after Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger Thursday signed a law authorizing the change.

The move sets up an expensive, high-stakes showdown for delegates in the nation's most populous state.

You were saying?

[SFnomad]

43. The CA primary was on Super Tuesday in 2000, 2004 and 2008

In 2000 and 2004, it was the first Tuesday in March ... in 2008 it was first Tuesday in February.

The CA primary has otherwise been in June, except for those years.

[dana_b]

3. some will say "of course you should have a say! Vote...

but it won't matter." I find that more condescending than those who say "Drop out Bernie".

So many were making a noise about the South and making sure that THEIR votes were heard (as they SHOULD be!) and not disregarded but evidently some don't want to extend the same right to us in California.

[Jim Lane]

12. And don't forget your friends on the East Coast.

Voting on the same day as California, New Jersey is usually an afterthought, but we deserve consideration, too. Christie isn't our fault.

Well, let me amend that. Christie is some Democrats' fault. I'll hazard a guess that most of the Democrats who backed Christie over Barbara Buono are backing Hillary this time. I guess it at least proves that they're not sexists.

And hello to all of you in Montana, New Mexico, and South Dakota, who can rightly complain of being afterthoughts to the afterthought.

[Warren DeMontague]

13. I think the beltway and east coast conventional wisdom crowd is only dimly aware

that there is another coast to the United States. "Ah, something about Mickey mouse and cable cars, I dunno. Rice-a-roni? They all live in shacks, because earthquakes, I think."

Someone here the other day referred to the junior senator from Oregon as "Jeff Berkeley". You can't make this shit up.

[bkkyosemite]

29. Yes I know being a California native in So. Oregon...it's creepy how they act.

[Motown_Johnny]

17. Why doesn't CA move their date up?

Yes I think they should vote but it isn't anyone else's fault that they are last.

[liberal_at_heart]

34. It shouldn't matter who is first or who is last. Every person's vote counts.

To claim a race is over before every vote is cast is ridiculous. I can't stand the way we vote in this country. It is no wonder over half of the country doesn't vote.

[onecaliberal]

37. Because of the rules we can't. They don't want California to have any influence.

No candidate who is as close to Hillary in delegates should drop out until the last person has voted. Every state should have their say.

[Recursion]

18. I've said time and time again: CA is the lynchpin of our party's electoral strategy

They really need to come earlier than they do.

[Bluenorthwest]

32. In '08 CA voted on Super Tuesday, then they moved it back again this year.

It's my home State, but not my State of residence.

[SFnomad]

44. They moved it back to June in 2012

It was Super Tuesday in 2000 and 2004 (First Tue in March) and 2008 (First Tue in Feb) ... before that it was in June, after that it was in June.

[seabeyond]

22. If Sanders had integrity he would rally his platform and attack Republicans not Clinton, Democrats,

Super delegates.

Then you wouldn't hear Democrats going after Sanders.

But, Sanders lacks the integrity, we see the harm he is doing to our candidate and that just makes reasonable people want Sanders out.

[bkkyosemite]

28. Bull shit - seems to be a bull shit morning

[seabeyond]

31. The way Democrats run. Not others in our party. We did see the difference this campaign. Nt

[bigtree]

24. Clinton would have won California if they went first

...and would be going into this period with even more votes and delegates.

[onecaliberal]

38. I don't think that's accurate. But glad other states are diverse too.

[Garrett78]

45. It is accurate, though.

See my post (#42) below. Along with Illinois, there are other states that are also more representative demographically.

[SidDithers]

36. Yes, California should have gone first...

and Hillary would have won the state by 25 points and have a hundred delegate lead right out of the gate.

Sid

[Bluenorthwest]

40. In 08 they voted on Super Tuesday, CA went to Hillary and polling suggested that had they

voted even one month later Obama would have won CA. CA likes to be with the winner and it likes to set the winning trend, setting the losing trend did not sit well with CA voters, so this cycle they moved it back to June.
So CA this cycle is both a Hillary win from 08 and a State that experienced a certain amount of regret for not voting for Obama. My CA Obama ardents were furious that I would not state a preference until Oregon was up for the vote. I favored Obama, but we really needed the full cycle to grow the Party.
2008 increased Democratic voter rolls in Oregon and caused a historic change in the process- both candidates traveled all over the State seeking our votes, not just Portland but all over the State. Prior to 2008, the last Democratic Primary contender to visit Oregon was Bobby Kennedy in 1968. So Hillary and Obama did a great service by vying for that nomination so fully and so well. He got my vote, she got my thanks.

She would not have won by 25 points had they gone first. She's have won, probably. But CA is a very hard call. Even CA can't figure out when they want to vote. They just know they want to be influential. 25 points rather absurd. She beat Obama by 7.5% as I recall.

[Garrett78]

42. CA doesn't best represent the US demographically.

From Wikipedia: "According to 2014 US Census Bureau estimates, California's population was 73.2% White, 6.5% Black or African American, 14.4% Asian, 1.7% American Indian, 0.5% Pacific Islander and 3.7% from two or more races. By ethnicity, 38.6% of the total population is Hispanic-Latino (of any race) and 61.4% Non-Hispanic (of any race)."


Also from Wikipedia: The US is 12.2% Non-Hispanic Black, 4.7% Non-Hispanic Asian, 16.3% Hispanic or Latino, 0.7% Non-Hispanic Native American and 0.2% Non-Hispanic Pacific Islander.

You'll definitely find other states that are more representative demographically. Illinois, for example. Arguably New York and Florida, as well.