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For all the qualified women who have been told to step aside (Original Post) bigtree May 2016 OP
Unfortunately, not all of us see her SheilaT May 2016 #1
Thanks, SheilaT. elleng May 2016 #3
+1! nt nc4bo May 2016 #5
+10000 nt riderinthestorm May 2016 #6
Exactly... Silver_Witch May 2016 #8
Forget it, dear bigtree. elleng May 2016 #2
NO ONE, except the voter gets to decide on what basis their vote is made bigtree May 2016 #9
Made me smile. Thankie! Lucinda May 2016 #4
Statement candidates bore me. Issue candidates interest me. JonLeibowitz May 2016 #7
Like "A Modest Proposal", except nowhere near as verbose, salient, VulgarPoet May 2016 #10
Keep Winning, Hillary! Hortensis May 2016 #11
she stepped aside for Obama GreatGazoo May 2016 #12
 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
1. Unfortunately, not all of us see her
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:55 PM
May 2016

as qualified for the job she's applying for.

All we ever get is rationalizations about voting for the first woman as President, and a bullshit claim about her "experience". Yeah, she was a Senator for a term and a bit more, voted for the Iraq War when even the most casual observer could tell that the claims for war were total crap. She's happy with fracking, is for the TPP. Or against it? Who can keep track.

If she's elected President this time around she'll be so awful it will be another fifty years before one can credibly run again. Too bad, because there are some other women out there who'd be vastly better.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
8. Exactly...
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:58 PM
May 2016

I have been told to step aside once or twice. That does not make HRC the candidate that should be our first woman President. Maybe Dr. Jill Stein would be a great first woman President...who can say.

I disagree that other women will be judged by HRC leads, should she be elected to lead.

I will be totally sad and hopeless though.

elleng

(130,749 posts)
2. Forget it, dear bigtree.
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:57 PM
May 2016

Haven't wanted to engage you on this, and this will likely be my last, but the fact that hrc's a woman is NO reason to support her; too many negatives there. (think maggie thatcher.)

bigtree

(85,977 posts)
9. NO ONE, except the voter gets to decide on what basis their vote is made
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:52 AM
May 2016

...and I firmly believe we are going to see a huge backlash against the misogyny that's inherent in our political system, a great deal of which is being directed at Hillary Clinton.

Some may well see that as undue or unfair, but no amount of bullying, badgering, or shaming (as so many folks here seem to believe is an effective strategy) is going to change that.

One of the things that black DUers, for example, tried to impart to the Sanders campaign and supporters was the sensitivity of the race issue and the often anti-intellectual/anti-substantive judgements that would be made in response to positions and statements. That's held true to the extent that one campaign has alienated a sizable number of minority voters, and the other has reaped the benefits of that exodus.

Ignoring the fact that many people make judgements on surface qualities of candidates doesn't make that any less of a reality. You can lecture folks from here until the election on what criteria they should be using to choose a candidate, but people will vote based on their own life experience and their own agenda.

Citing conservative women in comparison to Clinton may seem accurate to you, but I think it's absurd to compare Clinton to Thatcher. Virtually NONE of the people supporting her believe she's a conservative. That should factor into your judgement of their support for her.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
4. Made me smile. Thankie!
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:59 PM
May 2016

It isn't the reason for my vote, but i'm certainly not mad at the fact that the best candidate is a woman.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
7. Statement candidates bore me. Issue candidates interest me.
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:01 PM
May 2016

I do not like Hillary on the issues. Pretty simple.

This tweet reads like bad satire.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
10. Like "A Modest Proposal", except nowhere near as verbose, salient,
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:55 AM
May 2016

or amusing.

Really, this is basically unwashed tripe thrice over.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Keep Winning, Hillary!
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:59 AM
May 2016

This is an exciting time for women's rights. Way past time. All who believe in equality for everyone will be winners in that respect whether they want her for their president or not.

That's a great picture, Bigtree. Thanks.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
12. she stepped aside for Obama
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:15 AM
May 2016

(after making a deal to be SoS)

and we got a great President because of it !

Really tired of the Clinton obsession with our genitals and skin colors. Talk about real issues if you want votes.

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