IT people re: the hacker's claim about HRC server.

[grasswire]

IF

IF

IF

IF ......

......Guccifer was able to hack into HRC's server, is it possible that Guccifer or any foreign intelligence service could from there hack into State Department data?

[JTFrog]

1. For fuck's sake.

[CentralCoaster]

2. Guccifer claims to have secreted 2GB of data. Stashed away, as it were.

That's part of his statement.

I believe that, yes, Clinton's server was vulnerable and hacked, and it's her fault.

And she needs to drop out or lose.

I've already witnessed one illegitimate president, don't need to live under another, especially not under another hawk.

[randome]

9. Right. And Assange will release the banking 'poison pill' data any day now.

Man, you guys will believe anything.
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[rhett o rick]

37. LOL. And you believe that our government is working for the people.

And yet the people are suffering and the Wealthy are making huuuuuge profits. So who is gullible?

[Barack_America]

14. Why do these hackers do this? Blackmail?

Or just some sort of thrill?

Crazy stuff.

[CentralCoaster]

15. Yeah, thrills and the challenge of it, and maybe the hopes of a payoff.

But with a definite "Let's see if I can hack into this" kind of personal trait.

Yeah, crazy stuff!

[artislife]

26. It reminds me of the mindset of a vandal. Destroy for destruction sake. nt

[Chan790]

19. Do which?

• Hack government servers?
• take data
• say they took data
• release that data

Because they're activists, sometimes just because they can. I know a guy from college that used to hack alphabet-soup intelligence agencies just so he could leave filthy messages in classified data...it was his way of graffiti-tagging his accomplishments, sort of an "I was here!"

[Barack_America]

22. Well...

...if he released emails from all of his other targets, but not Clinton, why would that be?

I guess that's partly what I was getting at.

[Chan790]

25. I don't know?

Because she's the big fish? Because he held them back on the idea that they were sufficiently high-profile and contained dangerous enough information that he could parley them into a walk? Because he's an idealist?

...never underestimate this last one, it's the reason Adrian Lamo has a free pass for being one of the most prolific and damaging hackers in history and Chelsea Manning is in prison. Because they're both idealists...and their ideals led them into conflict.

[leveymg]

27. Like everyone else. Money is its own reward.

Assuming Guccifer is telling the truth, a copy of Hillary's server would be worth a dollar a byte. But, why pay Guccifer for something that any and every competent foreign intelligence agency probably hacked themselves.

[PoliticAverse]

33. You might find this NY Times article from 2014 about Gruccifer of interest...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/11/world/europe/for-guccifer-hacking-was-easy-prison-is-hard-.html?_r=0

[unc70]

42. Good backgrounder I had missed

Thanks

[jeff47]

3. Sorta.

Hacking Clinton's server would not provide direct access to State's computers.

But hacking Clinton's server would allow for spearphishing. The hackers would be able to send an email from Clinton's account with a malicious payload to someone at State. Because the email came from the real Clinton email account, the recipient would be much more likely to trust the email and execute the payload.

More on spearphishing here: http://us.norton.com/spear-phishing-scam-not-sport/article

[grasswire]

6. some who are discussing this tonight are fearful.....

....that anyone hacking her could reach classified material at state dept.

[jeff47]

16. Again, not directly.

The only direct access would the the classified information that was on Clinton's servers.

But as I said, it would be a great launching pad for attacks on State's computers.

Heck, clintonmail.com has been registered by someone for years (no "e" between clinton and mail). That is also a fantastic platform for launching spearphishing attacks. It's yet another angle that apparently no one on Team Clinton thought about before going this route.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

10. I guess the NSA is tracking everything?

it spends plenty of time elsewhere so you would think it would be interested in security breaches?

[jeff47]

17. Only of government systems.

The NSA's defensive mandate does not extend to non-government systems. Like Clinton's server.

[leveymg]

29. I think they would make an exception for her.

But the question you seem to raise is interesting. What if she was bait? What really useful information would NSA gather by tracking the hackers? Would it be worth the hassle to her? Was she knowing or unknowing bait? Was the stuff on her server disinformation?

Nah. Too Hollywood. The spooks aren't that imaginative. She surely isn't.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

49. all the worry about homeland security and terrorists

and yet the former secretary of state opened up the country's secrets to the world.

[unc70]

43. NSA hard to use in criminal case

It would be difficult to introduce evidence derived from NSA activities, even sanctioned activities. You can build a much more solid criminal case starting with Guccifer and other public disclosures, and then using them to establish probable cause for further warrants.

[grasswire]

4. can you answer the question?

Top intel professionals are saying that if Guccifer hacked her, so did many foreign entities.

[Land of Enchantment]

13. The really skilled

hackers can go in and out with leaving a trace. So far the reports are that her home brew server was not hacked but I'm doubting that because of the German guys (I'll try to find a link) and of course, Anonymous. I am not an IT person.

smartphones=computers in their estimation

here:

http://9to5mac.com/2016/04/18/ss7-hack-iphone-congressman/

[Travis_0004]

5. How would we know

If Hillary's server was less secure than the state department, then her server would be easier to hack into.

I guess the question is. If Guccifer hacked into Hillarys server, DID he also hack into the state department? Why not?

[grasswire]

8. well, he says he has 2 gb of national secrets stashed somewhere.

Too sensitive to pass on.

[panader0]

20. He's not the only one.

How about the tech company that backed up her server? I'm not tech savvy at all, but it was a cloud right?
Paul Thompson's article mentions their name. Two companies I believe. All of the employees had access to
classified info. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

[grasswire]

23. Platte River, and Datto.

yeah, and the premises there were unsecured.

I am getting the impression that the data Guccifer says he has stashed is not emails, but something else. He said there were many folders stored.

[leveymg]

31. If he is telling the truth, Guccifer likely has the Foundation

files and its private intel communications records with Hillary. Now that might be something even more valuable than plain Jane TS/SAP info.

[grasswire]

35. could be, could be!

Batten the hatches.

[2cannan]

34. Maybe he has the transcripts! nt

[anigbrowl]

28. I totally believe everything he says

Nobody has ever made up wild claims in order to get media attention. I'm sure h's got that but he's keeping it hidden from the goodness of his heart. I'm also sure that it's really explosive shit that's going to Change Everything.

Oh yes.

[pdsimdars]

46. People don't generally want to get LEGAL attention . . . maybe social or cultural, but they don't

generally want to draw the attention of the law.
Sorry to disrupt your fantasy world.

[Maedhros]

7. My understanding is that Hillary's basement server was not connected to the White House network.

Thus, controlling Hillary's server would not provide any access to the official State Department servers. However, any credentials or soft tokens present on the server could be stolen and possibly used to gain access elsewhere.

[NWCorona]

12. It's hard to say without knowing how the data stream was migrated from the State to Clinton’s server

[msanthrope]

18. Clap for Tinkerbell!######nt

[Bob41213]

21. Possibly, and depends

NSA level hacking is a whole new level and they'd think of crazy things to do with it...

We supposedly know Hillary didn't have a computer on her desk so that's not going to help. Some of the aides I think did and had a clintonemail account. If they had computers at their desk, it'd probably be pretty easy to inject malware into her email and when the accessed it at state....

Also, they could likely use her server to hack her phone and turn it into a bug at state.

Someone else also mentioned using it to fish. That too.

And then they probably have 5 other tricks up their sleeve that they could tailor to this situation.

[HooptieWagon]

24. She wasn't permitted to carry her Blackberry into State Dept.

She wouldn't use a secure computer at her desk for email, so security set up a secure room outside her office where she could use her Blackberry.

[pdsimdars]

47. But there are those pictures of her with her blackberry in that wood paneled hallway.

[Tarc]

30. Guccifer is to Emailgate as Curveball was to the Iraq War

I am thoroughly enjoying watching a panicked & desperate Sanders camp chase this down the rabbit hole.

[leveymg]

32. There is some truth to that. Tyler Drumheller.

[grasswire]

36. yes, that. nt

[w4rma]

38. He already had hacked Sidney Blumenthal's e-mail account. He used header information from Hillary's

e-mails to locate her server and hack it, too.


On March 20, 2013, USA Today reported that Guccifer had successfully hacked the e-mail account of former aide to president Bill Clinton, Sidney Blumenthal. He distributed private memos sent to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton involving recent events in Libya, including the September 11, 2012 Benghazi attack. Before distributing the memos, he copied and pasted the text into his own new documents, then reformatted them with pink backgrounds and Comic Sans font.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guccifer#Hacking_of_politicians.27_accounts

Btw, this wouldn't be much of a scandal if Hillary hadn't made the horrible judgement call to secretly make herself solely responsible for the security of top secret information that she decided to store in her basement.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. No, since the server was separate from the State Department

To put it simply, could you hack into your computer from a phone, though another computer, unless they are part of the network?

[Ash_F]

40. Based on the interview he did not use any sophisticated skills

Just common sense and freely available web tools.

So really anybody with tech savvy could have done what he did. He is just the one that did it and got caught.

[polly7]

41. That's what I read also.

He researched everything he could think of about her and kept guessing at passwords until he got in.

[Recursion]

44. He took over an AOL account because he knew Blumenthal's dog's name

Same thing that happened to Paris Hilton.

Clinton's email server would not have been on the SBU network, so his main vector at that point would have been that he could have spammed State employees.

[pdsimdars]

45. The whole point of her private server was that it wasn't connected to the government.

So they'd have to hack it from the outside just like anyone else because there was no connection.

[Samantha]

48. She transferred classified material from State to her private server

I do not know the answer to your question, but perhaps the technical types here can say if such a transfer leaves a trail for one to follow....

On another note, grasswire, please read this post I just put in another thread. It is extremely disturbing:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1903396

Sam