2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDemocratic Party leaders "are dissociated from the mood of the nation, and they do not care"
Published on
Wednesday, May 04, 2016
by The Guardian
Why Must the Trump Alternative be Self-Satisfied, Complacent Democrats?
Convinced that the countrys ongoing demographic shifts will bring victory for years to come, the party establishment acts like its candidates need do nothing differently
by Thomas Frank
The year of our discontent rolls on, and now it is Indiana that hands victory to the insurgent Senator Bernie Sanders and the protectionist demagogue Donald Trump.
Seven years have passed now since the last recession officially ended and yet the countrys fury has scarcely cooled. To this day we remain angry at Wall Street; we rage against career politicians; and we are incandescent that the economic system seems to have been permanently rigged against working people. Median household income has still not recovered the levels of 2007. Wages are going nowhere. Elite bankers are probably never going to be held accountable for what they did. America is burning.
Listening to the leading figures of the Democratic Party establishment, however, youd never know it. Cool contentment is the governing emotion in these circles. What they have in mind for 2016 is what we might call a campaign of militant complacency. They are dissociated from the mood of the nation, and they do not care.
I mean this in ways both great and small. The partys leadership is largely drawn from a satisfied cohort that has done quite well in the aftermath of the Great Recession. Theyve got a good thing going. Convinced that the countrys ongoing demographic shifts will bring Democratic victory for years to come, they seem to believe the partys candidates need do nothing differently to harvest future electoral bumper crops. The seeds are already planted. All that is required is patience.
Hillary Clinton is more or less openly offering herself as the complacency candidate. The least inspiring frontrunner in many years, she is a dynastic heir who stands to receive the Democratic nomination largely because its her turn the logic that made Bob Dole the GOP leader in 1996. Clinton has scolded her rival for wanting to break up Wall Street banks since such a policy, by itself, would not also end racism and sexism. (In point of fact, the black middle class was disproportionately damaged by the detonation of the housing bubble.) Clintons unofficial slogan, America never stopped being great supposedly a searing riposte to Trumps make America great again sounds like the kind of thing youd see inscribed in a country club logo. In her words we can hear the call of contentment, a would-be catchphrase for a generation of satisfied people.
Full article at:
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/05/04/why-must-trump-alternative-be-self-satisfied-complacent-democrats
Metric System
(6,048 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Tarc
(10,478 posts)That's not a talking point.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)You need exercise more care when making claims.
Tarc
(10,478 posts)We're discussing a primary election here, not a general.
Pledged delegate tallies.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)TimPlo
(443 posts)even in primary you can have more votes and still have less delegates. So using News Flash snarky response is kinda silly because it is not a true statement.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)They're instructed to stick to the script.
jillan
(39,451 posts)How can you not know that?
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)African-American youth, young Latino's, etc.,
iandhr
(6,852 posts)Please explain.
And since when is Bernie ahead of Hillary with any minority group?
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Your average 30 year old is probably going to vote in a lot more future elections than your average 60 year old. Odds are that 30 year old will vote in elections for 30 years after that 60 year old has already died.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Progressive dog
(6,924 posts)Response to Metric System (Reply #1)
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Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Response to Agschmid (Reply #41)
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questionseverything
(9,665 posts)many states have paperless dre blackboxes and even when paper ballots are used they are rarely counted by human beings
add in voter disenfranchisement ,electronic reporting sites and no citizen oversight and we have a recipe for the "owners" to rig the count
bvar22
(39,909 posts)the majority of which Sanders won BIG.
"Vote Count" in a Democratic Primary is worse than worthless....
It is misleading.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)The Democratic party has become the "Third Way" party--an ungodly mix of conservative economics and foreign policy with just a splash, not to much mind you, of liberal social justice concerns.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)(a neo-liberal economic policy backed up and enforced by an aggressive foreign policy) IS the Democratic Party of today. It's always been a party of the bourgeoisie, but it's finally gotten over it's FDR populism COMPLETELY.
dubyadiprecession
(5,737 posts)We all have to respect the majority of democrats that have voted already and chose Hillary to be the nominee.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)timmymoff
(1,947 posts)uh oh camp weathervane, we have a problem.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)This is class warfare. And I'm sorry, but I'm with the little guy at the end of the day, because while I'm biracial, while I'm LGBT; none of that matters if I'm not hauling paychecks to keep my family in the black at the end of the day.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)dead. dead. dead.
What we are witnessing is the beginning of a new era for both parties.
Chaotic but, essentially this is what is happening.
I'm sick of having two corporate plutocrat parties that for some ungodly reason, people are prepared to put on their kneepads for...
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)timmymoff
(1,947 posts)and everything else you mentioned. It's also about the environment, making our nation more competitive again, and being the just nation we claim to be but sometimes do not show the rest of the world.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)There are unheard people who have not seen positive economic trends for their friends and families for nearly 40 yrs. There are people who are working more than 1 job and living in poverty. So many people are desperately trying hold on and make sure their kids are fed, yet don't have much hope for their future. Others thought their house would be paid for by now and they could start saving for retirement, others did save and it's gone. There are probably millions of more situations where people are feeling meaningless when we hear about economic recovery.
They have been unheard for a very long time and it should be no surprise that enough people are finally mad enough to figuratively riot and tear down what keeps betraying them.
TheKentuckian
(25,035 posts)protect their class interests.
They've done it before for far less reason and they will do it again. Some of the biggest, loudest hyper partisans you can find voted Reagan and/or a Bush or two.
pengu
(462 posts)That wing of the party has given zero respect to progressives for decades now. You have no business asking for our respect.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)Hillary has more votes then Bernie.
It is not a conspiracy. It not the fault of the DNC or Harry Reid or DWS.
It is Bernie's fault alone that he doesn't appeal to a majority of the members of the party.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)many uninterested in voting for her. Good luck in November I count as one of those not into Hillary. If she is nominated, I will leave president blank. November's loss, you earned it Hillary.
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Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)If you count up loyalists to the Democratic Party, you only get 34 to 36% of the overall population of registered voters.
The indie voters now number around 42% of all registered voters. (Both stats are from the Pew Surverys done in 2008 and again in 2015, and a recent Gallup Poll.)
With the Democratic Leadership being more and more RW, voters are not happy. They didn't like it when they watched as 12 million Americans were foreclosed while Bankers were rewarded.
They don't like the wars; they don't like the Corporate Give Away of our lifestyle.
What most people I hang with are saying is that if the Democratic Leadership doesn't shape up, they will find out that they have lost far more than their recent losses.
The two stats mentioned in this post also reveal why it is that Hillary cannot beat Donald, but Bernie has a very good chance of doing that. Bernie appeals tot he indie voters; while Hillary cannot.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)She does horribly in all the others. . .
Among Democrats she's 55 to Bernie's 45. Not that big a difference. But in the Independent voters, Bernie usually gets near 70% and that is the LARGEST voting group. Whereas Hillary's NEGATIVES are around 70% among independents. .
I think you guys don't realize that the GE has OTHER people who can vote in it and THEY are the ones you need to win. Bernie does, Hillary does NOT.
Be as smug as you want, but those are facts. And so is this.
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FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)they don't realize how significantly vulnerable candidate they are running
vintx
(1,748 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Were it not for their visceral and personal dislike of Clinton, many of those independents would be democrats.
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imagine2015
(2,054 posts)I don't know where you're located but we don't have any Democratic Party members in this state! Not a one! Not even local office holders are members of the Democratic Party. Anyone can call themselves a Democrat but that doesn't make them members of the Democratic Party.
Outside of selecting officers and candidates for public office what kinds of membership meetings do you have and what issues and direct actions are debated and voted upon?
If yo'rer a member, tell me how much your monthly membership dues are, how often do you have local membership meetings, are they only open to dues paying members of the party, does your local membership affiliate sponsor and organize demonstrations or mass meetings on major political issues and finally could you please post the local by-laws indicating membership rights, duties and obligations of party members?
Now we have millions of people who register to vote as Democrats or Republicans but that doesn't mean those voters are actual members of a political party.
So I think the term "member" is used too loosely and doesn't describe the actual relationship between registered Democratic party voters and the Democratic Party electoral organization.
It is pretty much merely an electoral organization. Isn't that correct?
NewImproved Deal
(534 posts)"...The least inspiring frontrunner in many years, she is a dynastic heir who stands to receive the Democratic nomination largely because its her turn the logic that made Bob Dole the GOP leader in 1996."
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)You go girl! Woo-hoo!
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)and likely, first impeached couple . Just breaking glass ceilings all over the place.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)by a million people; the most horrible candidate in a generation, or two. The Democratic party establishment is about to learn that we are not going to let them hold the country hostage for the sake of a vanity Presidency.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)The best reason I know to be elected to the highest office
Demsrule86
(68,768 posts)By all measures, Bernie lost...guess primary voters thought it was her turn too.
randome
(34,845 posts)It's like you're saying: "See? I said this before so use it as evidence to support my position."
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Sorry - that is how a majority feel about Hillary
randome
(34,845 posts)And that Conservative Christians are the 'Silent Majority' .
Keep spreading whatever propaganda suits your position and you'll never be taken seriously. Since Clinton is getting healthy votes in her favor, I doubt that the 'majority' are so caustic toward her. Maybe Republicans are but they're losers who are currently in the 'business' of losing so I don't give much credence to their various outrages.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]
Demsrule86
(68,768 posts)If Bernie were so so...whatever, he would have won. He didn't.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)If for no other reason than pure spite... Just so they can give a 'FUCK YOU' to the mythical "Establishment" they claim to not be a part of...
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)And taking bicycles away from fish won't end world hunger.
WTF kind of random statement is she making?
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)This is why the party should be worried
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Convinced that the countrys ongoing demographic shifts will bring victory for years to come, the party establishment acts like its candidates need do nothing differently
Very well said.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)antigop
(12,778 posts)Progressive dog
(6,924 posts)because Hillary actually has more than complaints to offer. Calling Democrats self satisfied and complacent is not a formula for getting the support of Democrats. In fact opinions that consist of creative use of distorted positions coupled with epithets is not a way to get the support of anyone who is capable of thought.
America did not stop being great, at least when compared to most of the world.
Uncle Joe
(58,505 posts)Thanks for the thread, imagine2015.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)The Establishment Campaign (Hillary) has nothing to gain by attacking the Left, the Working Class, and the 99% who haven't "shared in The Recovery",
but does it anyway.
Force of habit?
Arrogance?
I added this excerpt from the linked article as an example of how this works:
"That then feeds, both on the left and the right, a temptation to say, If we could just go back to an era in which our borders were closed, or If we could just go back to a time when everybody had a defined-benefit plan, or We could just go back to a time when there wasnt any immigrant that was taking my job, things would be OK.
--Obama
"Perhaps you noticed something peculiar about that statement, reader: that President Obama has here lumped together two complaints that sound absurd and vaguely racist with a third impulse a longing for defined-benefit pension plans that is legitimate and quite real. As it happens, we know who wants to get everybody into a defined-benefit pension plan: organized labor, a big Democratic constituency for whom such plans, in which benefits do not fluctuate like stocks, are a common demand. Social Security is another example of such a plan."
See how that works?