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imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:12 PM May 2016

Democratic Party leaders "are dissociated from the mood of the nation, and they do not care"



Published on
Wednesday, May 04, 2016
by The Guardian

Why Must the Trump Alternative be Self-Satisfied, Complacent Democrats?
Convinced that the country’s ongoing demographic shifts will bring victory for years to come, the party establishment acts like its candidates need do nothing differently
by Thomas Frank


The year of our discontent rolls on, and now it is Indiana that hands victory to the insurgent Senator Bernie Sanders and the protectionist demagogue Donald Trump.

Seven years have passed now since the last recession officially ended and yet the country’s fury has scarcely cooled. To this day we remain angry at Wall Street; we rage against career politicians; and we are incandescent that the economic system seems to have been permanently “rigged” against working people. Median household income has still not recovered the levels of 2007. Wages are going nowhere. Elite bankers are probably never going to be held accountable for what they did. America is burning.

Listening to the leading figures of the Democratic Party establishment, however, you’d never know it. Cool contentment is the governing emotion in these circles. What they have in mind for 2016 is what we might call a campaign of militant complacency. They are dissociated from the mood of the nation, and they do not care.

I mean this in ways both great and small. The party’s leadership is largely drawn from a satisfied cohort that has done quite well in the aftermath of the Great Recession. They’ve got a good thing going. Convinced that the country’s ongoing demographic shifts will bring Democratic victory for years to come, they seem to believe the party’s candidates need do nothing differently to harvest future electoral bumper crops. The seeds are already planted. All that is required is patience.

Hillary Clinton is more or less openly offering herself as the complacency candidate. The least inspiring frontrunner in many years, she is a dynastic heir who stands to receive the Democratic nomination largely because it’s her turn – the logic that made Bob Dole the GOP leader in 1996. Clinton has scolded her rival for wanting to break up Wall Street banks since such a policy, by itself, would not also end racism and sexism. (In point of fact, the black middle class was disproportionately damaged by the detonation of the housing bubble.) Clinton’s unofficial slogan, “America never stopped being great” — supposedly a searing riposte to Trump’s “make America great again” – sounds like the kind of thing you’d see inscribed in a country club logo. In her words we can hear the call of contentment, a would-be catchphrase for a generation of satisfied people.

Full article at:
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/05/04/why-must-trump-alternative-be-self-satisfied-complacent-democrats

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Democratic Party leaders "are dissociated from the mood of the nation, and they do not care" (Original Post) imagine2015 May 2016 OP
More people are voting for Hillary. That's the only response. Metric System May 2016 #1
Do you have an answer that isnt an emailed out DNC talking point? AgingAmerican May 2016 #6
News flash; elections are won by the candidate with the most votes Tarc May 2016 #8
Really? Al Gore had the most votes when he ran for President against Bush. You didn't know that? imagine2015 May 2016 #10
Stay in your lane, bro Tarc May 2016 #11
Damn Tarc is trying to bring us to heel timmymoff May 2016 #16
This is not true at all TimPlo May 2016 #35
Silly seems to be today's distributed talking point. HooptieWagon May 2016 #52
No they're not. Just ask Al Gore. jillan May 2016 #70
Except for people under 40, working class whites, college students, progressives, young women, imagine2015 May 2016 #9
I missed the part where those peoples votes count more. iandhr May 2016 #12
Easy: young voters count more because people die. ieoeja May 2016 #63
Her demo is so close to the Republican demo it's mindblowing. Ed Suspicious May 2016 #34
Probably because that's the demo where the voters are nt Progressive dog May 2016 #61
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #39
Do voters not matter? Agschmid May 2016 #41
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #57
truthfully none of us know what the true vote counts were in most states questionseverything May 2016 #58
And there is no "vote count" in Caucus states, bvar22 May 2016 #68
Thomas Frank knows what he's talking about. Thanks for this! K&R!! haikugal May 2016 #2
Thomas Frank telling it like it is. BillZBubb May 2016 #3
+1,000 n/t LarryNM May 2016 #5
Hey, shouldn't the "Third Way" be the third party? WE are the real Democrats. pdsimdars May 2016 #24
Correct - the question is "How do we get them out the door?" jwirr May 2016 #71
Yep, socially moderate (not even socially liberal) and neo-conservative...... socialist_n_TN May 2016 #54
It doesn't matter if the DNC cares or not... dubyadiprecession May 2016 #4
Good luck forcing independent voters to be loyal Democratic voters. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #7
good luck forcing this long time dem timmymoff May 2016 #17
This isn't even a war of political parties anymore. VulgarPoet May 2016 #22
I think a lot of people still do not understand that both parties in their past/current form are Hiraeth May 2016 #44
+1 vintx May 2016 #47
Good. VulgarPoet May 2016 #55
yes, it is exciting. watching people STAND UP Hiraeth May 2016 #56
It is about class warfare timmymoff May 2016 #62
"A riot is the language of the unheard" loyalsister May 2016 #65
I don't see why I have respect crap. Whenever we break through many of them will hop the fence to TheKentuckian May 2016 #13
Respect works both ways pengu May 2016 #53
Great article. Thanks! pat_k May 2016 #14
There are those on the far left who seem to struggle with a very very basic concept. iandhr May 2016 #15
It's Hillary's fault she doesnt appeal to a large portion of Americans timmymoff May 2016 #18
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #19
btw, you are NOT .... what he said. good hide, jury. Hiraeth May 2016 #46
Ironically poor grammar, as well. The correct way would be "you're", a contraction of "you are". Electric Monk May 2016 #64
However you are overlooking an important fact - truedelphi May 2016 #20
You sum it up perfectly. Hill will not win. yourpaljoey May 2016 #33
What you people don't seem to get is that Democrats are only about 30% of voters pdsimdars May 2016 #25
Since DumbassDebbie rigged the primary process to favor Hillary ... FreakinDJ May 2016 #29
It's astounding that they don't see it. nt vintx May 2016 #50
She's personally responsible for the profusion of independents. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #49
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #38
"members of the party" Members? You're not a member of the Democratic Party! Are you? imagine2015 May 2016 #66
Frank is correct! NewImproved Deal May 2016 #21
AND we break TWO records, first woman and first candidate under FBI criminal investigation pdsimdars May 2016 #26
Don't forget 1st impeached spouse libdem4life May 2016 #51
It's been said a million times FlatBaroque May 2016 #23
"because it’s her turn" FreakinDJ May 2016 #27
I think a better reason is that she won the delegates and popular vote Demsrule86 May 2016 #30
Why do you keep "quoting" something that only you and other Sanders supporters say? randome May 2016 #31
I was quoting Print Media FreakinDJ May 2016 #32
The media also sometimes says that Obama is an American-hating Muslim. randome May 2016 #36
Why because the Dems won't give Bernie the nomination he was unable to earn? Demsrule86 May 2016 #28
I'm starting to believe the Dudebros want President Trump Blue_Tires May 2016 #37
break[ing] up Wall Street banks ...would not also end racism and sexism lagomorph777 May 2016 #40
Hillary is right, America is already great, for the one percent. ViseGrip May 2016 #42
This is an excellent description of the reason not just Hillary's team should be worried vintx May 2016 #43
Exactly lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #45
Superb article. +1 99Forever May 2016 #48
at both the state and national levels. nt antigop May 2016 #59
The people who vote are voting for Hillary Progressive dog May 2016 #60
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #67
DURec. bvar22 May 2016 #69
 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
10. Really? Al Gore had the most votes when he ran for President against Bush. You didn't know that?
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:39 PM
May 2016

You need exercise more care when making claims.

Tarc

(10,478 posts)
11. Stay in your lane, bro
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:40 PM
May 2016

We're discussing a primary election here, not a general.

Pledged delegate tallies.

 

TimPlo

(443 posts)
35. This is not true at all
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:27 AM
May 2016

even in primary you can have more votes and still have less delegates. So using News Flash snarky response is kinda silly because it is not a true statement.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
9. Except for people under 40, working class whites, college students, progressives, young women,
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:36 PM
May 2016

African-American youth, young Latino's, etc.,

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
12. I missed the part where those peoples votes count more.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:48 PM
May 2016

Please explain.

And since when is Bernie ahead of Hillary with any minority group?




 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
63. Easy: young voters count more because people die.
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:58 PM
May 2016

Your average 30 year old is probably going to vote in a lot more future elections than your average 60 year old. Odds are that 30 year old will vote in elections for 30 years after that 60 year old has already died.



Response to Metric System (Reply #1)

Response to Agschmid (Reply #41)

questionseverything

(9,665 posts)
58. truthfully none of us know what the true vote counts were in most states
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:08 PM
May 2016

many states have paperless dre blackboxes and even when paper ballots are used they are rarely counted by human beings

add in voter disenfranchisement ,electronic reporting sites and no citizen oversight and we have a recipe for the "owners" to rig the count

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
68. And there is no "vote count" in Caucus states,
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:27 PM
May 2016

the majority of which Sanders won BIG.
"Vote Count" in a Democratic Primary is worse than worthless....
It is misleading.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
3. Thomas Frank telling it like it is.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:20 PM
May 2016

The Democratic party has become the "Third Way" party--an ungodly mix of conservative economics and foreign policy with just a splash, not to much mind you, of liberal social justice concerns.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
54. Yep, socially moderate (not even socially liberal) and neo-conservative......
Thu May 5, 2016, 12:15 PM
May 2016

(a neo-liberal economic policy backed up and enforced by an aggressive foreign policy) IS the Democratic Party of today. It's always been a party of the bourgeoisie, but it's finally gotten over it's FDR populism COMPLETELY.

dubyadiprecession

(5,737 posts)
4. It doesn't matter if the DNC cares or not...
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:21 PM
May 2016

We all have to respect the majority of democrats that have voted already and chose Hillary to be the nominee.



VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
22. This isn't even a war of political parties anymore.
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:10 AM
May 2016

This is class warfare. And I'm sorry, but I'm with the little guy at the end of the day, because while I'm biracial, while I'm LGBT; none of that matters if I'm not hauling paychecks to keep my family in the black at the end of the day.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
44. I think a lot of people still do not understand that both parties in their past/current form are
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:41 AM
May 2016

dead. dead. dead.

What we are witnessing is the beginning of a new era for both parties.

Chaotic but, essentially this is what is happening.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
55. Good.
Thu May 5, 2016, 12:49 PM
May 2016

I'm sick of having two corporate plutocrat parties that for some ungodly reason, people are prepared to put on their kneepads for...

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
62. It is about class warfare
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:41 PM
May 2016

and everything else you mentioned. It's also about the environment, making our nation more competitive again, and being the just nation we claim to be but sometimes do not show the rest of the world.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
65. "A riot is the language of the unheard"
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:02 PM
May 2016

There are unheard people who have not seen positive economic trends for their friends and families for nearly 40 yrs. There are people who are working more than 1 job and living in poverty. So many people are desperately trying hold on and make sure their kids are fed, yet don't have much hope for their future. Others thought their house would be paid for by now and they could start saving for retirement, others did save and it's gone. There are probably millions of more situations where people are feeling meaningless when we hear about economic recovery.
They have been unheard for a very long time and it should be no surprise that enough people are finally mad enough to figuratively riot and tear down what keeps betraying them.

TheKentuckian

(25,035 posts)
13. I don't see why I have respect crap. Whenever we break through many of them will hop the fence to
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:53 PM
May 2016

protect their class interests.

They've done it before for far less reason and they will do it again. Some of the biggest, loudest hyper partisans you can find voted Reagan and/or a Bush or two.

pengu

(462 posts)
53. Respect works both ways
Thu May 5, 2016, 12:12 PM
May 2016

That wing of the party has given zero respect to progressives for decades now. You have no business asking for our respect.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
15. There are those on the far left who seem to struggle with a very very basic concept.
Thu May 5, 2016, 12:10 AM
May 2016

Hillary has more votes then Bernie.

It is not a conspiracy. It not the fault of the DNC or Harry Reid or DWS.

It is Bernie's fault alone that he doesn't appeal to a majority of the members of the party.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
18. It's Hillary's fault she doesnt appeal to a large portion of Americans
Thu May 5, 2016, 12:32 AM
May 2016

many uninterested in voting for her. Good luck in November I count as one of those not into Hillary. If she is nominated, I will leave president blank. November's loss, you earned it Hillary.

Response to timmymoff (Reply #18)

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
20. However you are overlooking an important fact -
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:57 AM
May 2016

If you count up loyalists to the Democratic Party, you only get 34 to 36% of the overall population of registered voters.

The indie voters now number around 42% of all registered voters. (Both stats are from the Pew Surverys done in 2008 and again in 2015, and a recent Gallup Poll.)

With the Democratic Leadership being more and more RW, voters are not happy. They didn't like it when they watched as 12 million Americans were foreclosed while Bankers were rewarded.

They don't like the wars; they don't like the Corporate Give Away of our lifestyle.

What most people I hang with are saying is that if the Democratic Leadership doesn't shape up, they will find out that they have lost far more than their recent losses.

The two stats mentioned in this post also reveal why it is that Hillary cannot beat Donald, but Bernie has a very good chance of doing that. Bernie appeals tot he indie voters; while Hillary cannot.




 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
25. What you people don't seem to get is that Democrats are only about 30% of voters
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:55 AM
May 2016

She does horribly in all the others. . .

Among Democrats she's 55 to Bernie's 45. Not that big a difference. But in the Independent voters, Bernie usually gets near 70% and that is the LARGEST voting group. Whereas Hillary's NEGATIVES are around 70% among independents. .

I think you guys don't realize that the GE has OTHER people who can vote in it and THEY are the ones you need to win. Bernie does, Hillary does NOT.

Be as smug as you want, but those are facts. And so is this.




,

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
29. Since DumbassDebbie rigged the primary process to favor Hillary ...
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:00 AM
May 2016

they don't realize how significantly vulnerable candidate they are running

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
49. She's personally responsible for the profusion of independents.
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:45 AM
May 2016

Were it not for their visceral and personal dislike of Clinton, many of those independents would be democrats.

Response to iandhr (Reply #15)

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
66. "members of the party" Members? You're not a member of the Democratic Party! Are you?
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:13 PM
May 2016

I don't know where you're located but we don't have any Democratic Party members in this state! Not a one! Not even local office holders are members of the Democratic Party. Anyone can call themselves a Democrat but that doesn't make them members of the Democratic Party.

Outside of selecting officers and candidates for public office what kinds of membership meetings do you have and what issues and direct actions are debated and voted upon?

If yo'rer a member, tell me how much your monthly membership dues are, how often do you have local membership meetings, are they only open to dues paying members of the party, does your local membership affiliate sponsor and organize demonstrations or mass meetings on major political issues and finally could you please post the local by-laws indicating membership rights, duties and obligations of party members?

Now we have millions of people who register to vote as Democrats or Republicans but that doesn't mean those voters are actual members of a political party.

So I think the term "member" is used too loosely and doesn't describe the actual relationship between registered Democratic party voters and the Democratic Party electoral organization.

It is pretty much merely an electoral organization. Isn't that correct?

 

NewImproved Deal

(534 posts)
21. Frank is correct!
Thu May 5, 2016, 04:48 AM
May 2016

"...The least inspiring frontrunner in many years, she is a dynastic heir who stands to receive the Democratic nomination largely because it’s her turn – the logic that made Bob Dole the GOP leader in 1996."

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
26. AND we break TWO records, first woman and first candidate under FBI criminal investigation
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:57 AM
May 2016

You go girl! Woo-hoo!

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
51. Don't forget 1st impeached spouse
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:53 AM
May 2016

and likely, first impeached couple . Just breaking glass ceilings all over the place.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
23. It's been said a million times
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:46 AM
May 2016

by a million people; the most horrible candidate in a generation, or two. The Democratic party establishment is about to learn that we are not going to let them hold the country hostage for the sake of a vanity Presidency.

Demsrule86

(68,768 posts)
30. I think a better reason is that she won the delegates and popular vote
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:01 AM
May 2016

By all measures, Bernie lost...guess primary voters thought it was her turn too.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
31. Why do you keep "quoting" something that only you and other Sanders supporters say?
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:04 AM
May 2016

It's like you're saying: "See? I said this before so use it as evidence to support my position."
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
36. The media also sometimes says that Obama is an American-hating Muslim.
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:35 AM
May 2016

And that Conservative Christians are the 'Silent Majority' .

Keep spreading whatever propaganda suits your position and you'll never be taken seriously. Since Clinton is getting healthy votes in her favor, I doubt that the 'majority' are so caustic toward her. Maybe Republicans are but they're losers who are currently in the 'business' of losing so I don't give much credence to their various outrages.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

Demsrule86

(68,768 posts)
28. Why because the Dems won't give Bernie the nomination he was unable to earn?
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:00 AM
May 2016

If Bernie were so so...whatever, he would have won. He didn't.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
37. I'm starting to believe the Dudebros want President Trump
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:42 AM
May 2016

If for no other reason than pure spite... Just so they can give a 'FUCK YOU' to the mythical "Establishment" they claim to not be a part of...

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
40. break[ing] up Wall Street banks ...would not also end racism and sexism
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:03 AM
May 2016

And taking bicycles away from fish won't end world hunger.

WTF kind of random statement is she making?

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
43. This is an excellent description of the reason not just Hillary's team should be worried
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:36 AM
May 2016

This is why the party should be worried

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
45. Exactly
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:42 AM
May 2016
Convinced that the country’s ongoing demographic shifts will bring victory for years to come, the party establishment acts like its candidates need do nothing differently


Very well said.

Progressive dog

(6,924 posts)
60. The people who vote are voting for Hillary
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:17 PM
May 2016

because Hillary actually has more than complaints to offer. Calling Democrats self satisfied and complacent is not a formula for getting the support of Democrats. In fact opinions that consist of creative use of distorted positions coupled with epithets is not a way to get the support of anyone who is capable of thought.
America did not stop being great, at least when compared to most of the world.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
69. DURec.
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:37 PM
May 2016

The Establishment Campaign (Hillary) has nothing to gain by attacking the Left, the Working Class, and the 99% who haven't "shared in The Recovery",
but does it anyway.
Force of habit?
Arrogance?

I added this excerpt from the linked article as an example of how this works:


"That then feeds, both on the left and the right, a temptation to say, ‘If we could just go back to an era in which our borders were closed,’ or ‘If we could just go back to a time when everybody had a defined-benefit plan,’ or ‘We could just go back to a time when there wasn’t any immigrant that was taking my job, things would be OK.’
--Obama

"Perhaps you noticed something peculiar about that statement, reader: that President Obama has here lumped together two complaints that sound absurd and vaguely racist with a third impulse – a longing for defined-benefit pension plans – that is legitimate and quite real. As it happens, we know who wants to get everybody into a defined-benefit pension plan: organized labor, a big Democratic constituency for whom such plans, in which benefits do not fluctuate like stocks, are a common demand. Social Security is another example of such a plan."


See how that works?







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