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grasswire

(50,130 posts)
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:00 AM May 2016

everyone needs to see the anonymous blog crap link posted here about Bernie

Posted in the HRC group. Much, much more at the link.

https://sandersguideblog.wordpress.com/tag/jane-sanders/

Pt1-Former East German Exposes Socialist Bernie Sanders
Posted by By J. Eller @SDzzz SandersGuide 2016 YouTube

Democrats Reject Marxist Socialist Sanders

The source for these report wishes to remain anonymous at this time.

Pt1-Former East German Exposes Socialist Bernie Sanders – Propaganda

Pt2-Former East German Exposes Socialist Bernie Sanders – Authoritarian Socialism and The New Society

Pt3-Former East German Exposes Socialist Bernie Sanders – Gender

Part One – Propaganda

“Listening to Bernie Sanders, I am reminded of the first time I ever heard of him. It was in 1987 and I was visiting the former East German (German Democratic Republic, as it was called) with my college German class. My professors were fluent in German so we had a very in depth tour and had the attention of high level Socialist Party members and government officials during our stay.

They showed us a list of locally elected US officials who they said were on “their” side. They were particularly proud of Bernie Sanders, then Mayor of Burlington VT, because he was actually a Socialist Party member- a member of their own Socialist Party according to them. At the time we didn’t really believe the claim that these Americans were on the side of East Germany at the height of the Cold War, but recently I discovered that Sanders had close dealings with the GDR government during this time and even hosted 10 “social workers” to work in Burlington, studying youth unemployment, in 1985, two years before my visit. (see the workcamp program copies at end)

We were also shown many pictures taken by East Germans in America (including some taken in Burlington by the group welcomed by Sanders) of the most extreme examples of poverty and homelessness in our country. These pictures were represented as examples of everyday life for ordinary Americans. The photographs were used in textbooks. The East German students that we spoke to felt sorry for us, living in such a poverty stricken country, compared to their Socialist paradise. Sadly their own country was no such thing.

Upon arriving in the German Democratic Republic, the first thing I saw at the border was a cartload of hay leaving the GDR. It resembled an Amish wagon, but was something ordinarily used on their farms. The border guards picked up pitchforks and viciously stabbed them into the hay over and over. If someone had been hiding in the hay, they would have been killed or seriously maimed. We learned later that someone had escaped that way, and the border guards were angry at being humiliated. I later spoke to a young man my own age (17) who was forced to work as a border guard. His parents were diplomats, required to travel, and so he was treated somewhat as a hostage in order to ensure their loyalty. He expressed to me privately his worry that he would be required to kill someone his own age who was trying to escape. Erich Honecker, the GDR leader, a virtual dictator, had imposed the shoot to kill order on escapees at that time.

We heard a lot about economics from our East German hosts. They were required to learn Socialist economic theory as young children. But it didn’t make any sense, it was just slogans. I was at the same time, studying economics and went on to major in it. I never thought I would hear East German economic sloganeering again after the Berlin Wall fell, but that’s what we’re hearing from Bernie Sanders at his rallies. His theories, based on a scheme of luxury taxes and making certain items free, do not work in real life.

Evidence of the failed economy was all around us. Shortages forced families to wait for everything- whether it was in a daily line for food or 5-10 years for a car or apartment. A black and white television set cost about a year’s salary. A manual typewriter, nearly as much. In West Germany, the East Mark currency was trading at 17:1- 17 East Marks for 1 West German Mark. But inside East Germany it was 1:1. We had to keep receipts for everything we bought and if caught engaging in illegal currency trading we could be jailed. At the time of our visit there were many Westerners imprisoned for this very thing. But because of the closed economic system, there were many goods that the East Germans simply had no access to, and other goods were manipulated.

The East German economy was in fact a huge fake. It relied entirely on a barter system on the international level. Guestworkers from Angola were paid in motorcycles because the East Mark was worthless outside the country. Giant hard currency stores catered to Westerners. We were encouraged by our hosts to shop there and spend our US dollars. We did, in fact, because that was the only place to buy palatable food. The GDR was so environmentally devastated in 1987, that the food system was beginning to resemble North Korea. There was no real food. It was a horrible situation crossing the border and going from the wonderful and plenteous cuisine of West Germany, to experiencing something out of a 70s sci fi novel (Soylent Green comes to mind). The food resembled crushed powerbars made into shapes resembling regular food. There were shops with beautifully decorated cakes on the main streets in East Berlin, but they were inedible. For breakfast there were the traditional blood sausages (also popular in West Germany) but they were essentially gelatin and food coloring. The main meat dish I had was in Dresden. It was a horse’s knuckle. There was a tiny sphere of meat surrounded by layers of fat. The Bulgarian tourists travelling with us enjoyed it very much. They looked like they ate worse than the East Germans. The children we saw in the streets were far too thin, and their faces pinched. We always hear from Europeans how obese Americans are, and perhaps we are, but even by Western European standards, these children seemed undernourished. There was no milk, only non-dairy creamer. Of course the coffee was chicory- the only obtainable coffee at the time would have come from Cuba and that was reserved for Russians or perhaps very high level aparatchiks (Socialist Party officials). Most meals were potato-based and that was heavily supplemented with some sort of vegetable starch. We saw very little fresh food of any kind, citrus (watered down and hard to identify) was in short supply. Heavily processed bread was available, and practically free, but the nutritional content was low.

We learned later that the reason for the lack of fresh food was soil exhaustion and poisoning. The terrible acid rain destroyed the production of the few crops that would grow. Acid rain in East Germany was caused by two main factors. One was the burning of brown coal- a very dirty peat. They couldn’t get better quality coal because of the lack of trade with non-Soviet bloc countries.

Another factor was the exhaust from poor quality cars. The famous GDR Trabanz, or Trabi was a small car resembling a Fiat. Sometimes it only had 3 wheels. But the engine was more like a lawnmower engine rather than a modern car engine. The body of the cars were made from Soviet wool waste and tree resin. There were nicer cars available, the Lada, but these seemed to be owned only by high level Socialist Party members.

The free college plan didn’t work very well in East Germany. Free also meant there were shortages, so only a small fraction of students were able to attend university. The competition was so fierce that kids were chosen by a battery of tests taken around age 11. If a child’s parents were college educated, the child would never be allowed to attend university- they would be required to be a farm worker, which was considered ideologically purifying. The state decided what the student would study. Our tour guide was forced to study languages (she actually wanted to study other subjects), particularly Portuguese, in order to bring the revolution to Angola. She had no desire to go to Angola. She was taught Portuguese by people who were forced to learn it in order to bring the Revolution to Brazil. None of these ventures succeeded and she was required to learn a third language, English. In the beginning, she pushed the government agenda, but eventually she began talking to my professors truthfully about her experience, and about what life was really like.”

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Online source: Volunteers for Peace-Burlington

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everyone needs to see the anonymous blog crap link posted here about Bernie (Original Post) grasswire May 2016 OP
Wow that is some serious bullshit. TM99 May 2016 #1
It doesn't look like anything backed up by facts so this will be spread far and wide... Kalidurga May 2016 #2
You can sure dish it out StayFrosty May 2016 #3
there's a difference grasswire May 2016 #4
Except she's really not, and Bernie is a self proclaimed socialist like the East Germans, synergie May 2016 #11
I am sorry, but my policy is to put any poster who artislife May 2016 #6
Not true. You simply call every criticism "right wing talking points" because your ability Maedhros May 2016 #8
Well, when the "criticism" is an actual RW talking point, it's kind of clear that synergie May 2016 #12
. FlatBaroque May 2016 #20
It got pulled pretty quickly due to jury hereforthevoting May 2016 #5
the Red Army's already taken Alabama! MisterP May 2016 #7
oh the brezhnev days were so much fun... nt msongs May 2016 #9
The author of the article has not heard Bernie talk about how to make it possible JDPriestly May 2016 #10
Why would anybody supporting Secretary Clinton ... Tortmaster May 2016 #13
The primaries aren't over yet. In_The_Wind May 2016 #15
Where's Hillary's acceptance speech then? pinebox May 2016 #19
Then why are you posting in a forum for the primaries? me b zola May 2016 #21
Because there's something wrong on the internet! Tortmaster May 2016 #23
Ha, there are dozens of posts like this one EACH DAY about Hillary from BS supporters. nt BreakfastClub May 2016 #14
But, It's Bernie's TURN! No fair! grossproffit May 2016 #17
Nope. me b zola May 2016 #22
So, in other words, every post should be anonymous bullshit about Hillary. grossproffit May 2016 #16
Fuck this disgusting bullshit cali May 2016 #18
 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
1. Wow that is some serious bullshit.
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:10 AM
May 2016

I visited GDR as part of a Congress-Bundestag exchange program. We had a great deal of contact with actual governmental officials both in BRD. I never once heard about Sanders. Ah, well, liars are going to lie.

And I keep hearing that it is the right who will vet Sanders with this kind of switfboating ratfuckery when in truth it started last May and Brock has continued it unto today.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
2. It doesn't look like anything backed up by facts so this will be spread far and wide...
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:15 AM
May 2016

by the Clintonistas. I see you can make comments on the blog, can't see others. Maybe it's best to leave comments at Twitter.

https://twitter.com/sdzzz

StayFrosty

(237 posts)
3. You can sure dish it out
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:16 AM
May 2016

But can't take it when it's thrown right back at you

How many times have we seen links to right wing propaganda sites linked by Sanders supporters?

A lot of Sanders supporters seem to get their talking points straight from freeper sites

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
4. there's a difference
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:20 AM
May 2016

Hillary really IS being investigated by the FBI

On the other hand, Bernie is NOT like East Germans.

Assaulting him with that considering his ethnicity is really, really awful. The worst kind of dog whistle.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
11. Except she's really not, and Bernie is a self proclaimed socialist like the East Germans,
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:05 AM
May 2016

they share a political philosophy.

So it would seem that you're the one bringing his 'ethnicity" into this, and trying to pretend that "East German" is somehow akin to something else, which is patently ridiculous if you had any understanding of history.

There are Jewish people who are socialists, who are East German and from various other parts of Eastern Europe. You act as if suggesting that people of the Jewish faith might be similar to Germans, or even, god forbid German themselves is somehow an attack.

Spreading RW lies about Hillary Clinton while pretending that calling a guy who proudly proclaims himself a socialist is somehow not like socialists who existed in the world, even in E. Germany, where socialism was actually implemented is just plain illogical and dishonest.

Here is politifact on your right wing claim, assaulting her with right wing lies, from an engineered RW smear is pretty awful itself, and the "ethnic" thing you're creating whole cloth is purely disgusting.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jan/14/jeb-bush/heres-whats-wrong-jeb-bush-saying-hillary-clinton-/

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
6. I am sorry, but my policy is to put any poster who
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:27 AM
May 2016

Just decided in these last few months to come to this site on ignore.


Buh bye.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
8. Not true. You simply call every criticism "right wing talking points" because your ability
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:40 AM
May 2016

to construct actual arguments is hopelessly atrophied.

All of you should be ignored.

/bye.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
12. Well, when the "criticism" is an actual RW talking point, it's kind of clear that
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:08 AM
May 2016

you're not able to construct actual arguments so you just echo Jeb Bush and various RW organizations.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jan/14/jeb-bush/heres-whats-wrong-jeb-bush-saying-hillary-clinton-/

The whole "ethnic" smear is yet another example of the inabilty to construct an actual argument. Self-proclaimed socialist can't be compared to socialism that was implemented in the world because EAST GERMANS! That's the evidence of atrophy of reason, logic, coherence and honesty.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
10. The author of the article has not heard Bernie talk about how to make it possible
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:52 AM
May 2016

for more Americans to start their own small businesses.

The author of the article has never lived in Western Europe where the programs that Bernie proposes for America have been successful for many years.

My own children went to government-funded pre-school programs starting at three years. The programs were excellent and guaranteed that my children would be very successful in school.

The article was written by someone who does not know one bit what he is talking about.

Bernie has been in Congress since 1992 and was mayor of Burlington for eight years prior to his entry into Congress. He is not at all the kind of socialist that the East Germans were. That article is simply a lie.

I lived in four European countries and have read Sanders' book, Outsider in the White House and know what I am talking about.

Read Sanders' book. Find out for yourself what he is about.

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
21. Then why are you posting in a forum for the primaries?
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:06 AM
May 2016

If you believe that the primary is over move on over.

Tortmaster

(382 posts)
23. Because there's something wrong on the internet!
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:04 AM
May 2016

Hate to see my fellow travelers ill-used. Rather see them use their critical thinking.

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
22. Nope.
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:14 AM
May 2016

Back in the day DUers were united against red-baiting. Back in the day DUers were also united against corruption, and united in our calls for clean, transparent elections.

Sanders' supporters continue to stand against corruption. We also continue our call to end voter suppression and transparency in our elections.

See the difference? Our values and beliefs have not changed with the candidate that we are backing. Rather, we have chosen a candidate that represents our values and beliefs.

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