Thu May 5, 2016, 03:01 AM
hill2016 (1,772 posts)
Pivoting to the GE is a brilliant campaign strategy for Hillary.
it allows her to go on the attack in a way she could never have with Bernie.
it frames the national discussion as Hillary vs Trump rather than Hillary vs Bernie, making Bernie seem almost irrelevant. it forces people to really really imagine Trump in the oval office and on Air Force One, and she is the Only Hope to stop him. it brings people back to reality instead of dreams of unicorns. Brilliant.
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hill2016 | May 2016 | OP |
NewImproved Deal | May 2016 | #1 | |
Live and Learn | May 2016 | #4 | |
frylock | May 2016 | #33 | |
PowerToThePeople | May 2016 | #2 | |
Live and Learn | May 2016 | #3 | |
840high | May 2016 | #10 | |
Enrique | May 2016 | #5 | |
nolawarlock | May 2016 | #8 | |
Live and Learn | May 2016 | #13 | |
nolawarlock | May 2016 | #17 | |
Live and Learn | May 2016 | #18 | |
nolawarlock | May 2016 | #20 | |
fun n serious | May 2016 | #15 | |
fun n serious | May 2016 | #14 | |
merrily | May 2016 | #6 | |
Armstead | May 2016 | #25 | |
nolawarlock | May 2016 | #7 | |
w4rma | May 2016 | #12 | |
nolawarlock | May 2016 | #16 | |
w4rma | May 2016 | #19 | |
nolawarlock | May 2016 | #21 | |
Armstead | May 2016 | #26 | |
nolawarlock | May 2016 | #35 | |
apcalc | May 2016 | #27 | |
anotherproletariat | May 2016 | #9 | |
oasis | May 2016 | #22 | |
Armstead | May 2016 | #30 | |
msongs | May 2016 | #11 | |
NurseJackie | May 2016 | #23 | |
global1 | May 2016 | #24 | |
rhett o rick | May 2016 | #28 | |
NurseJackie | May 2016 | #32 | |
firebrand80 | May 2016 | #29 | |
Armstead | May 2016 | #31 | |
frylock | May 2016 | #34 | |
NorthCarolina | May 2016 | #36 |
Response to hill2016 (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:02 AM
NewImproved Deal (534 posts)
1. Punch and Judy...
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Response to NewImproved Deal (Reply #1)
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:11 AM
Live and Learn (12,769 posts)
4. +10,000 nt
Response to hill2016 (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:08 AM
PowerToThePeople (9,610 posts)
2. Yawn
I wouldn't vote for either of them. Don't really give a crap.
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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #2)
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:11 AM
Live and Learn (12,769 posts)
3. +10,000 nt
Response to hill2016 (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:11 AM
Enrique (27,461 posts)
5. i think it's a given that her strategy will be brilliant
she has the best political people working for her and she's highly disciplined herself, and fairly ruthless.
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Response to Enrique (Reply #5)
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:22 AM
nolawarlock (1,729 posts)
8. I agree on all counts.
And I also believe that folks in the primaries can only attack so much without actually attacking the principles they share in common. Despite what everyone says about Hillary being a Republican, the reality is that she and Trump have vastly different policies and styles and this is going to be a General Election for the ages. If anyone thinks Hillary's going to go down without a hard fight, they haven't been paying attention all these years.
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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #8)
Thu May 5, 2016, 04:22 AM
Live and Learn (12,769 posts)
13. We have principles in common, could have fooled me Exactly what are those?
I am for doing everything possible for peace. Hillary supports illegal wars and regime change.
I am for a habitable climate. Hillary supports fracking and hasn't doesn't see climate change as a priority. I am for a fair justice system. Hillary takes money from private prison CEOs. I am for an equitable economic system. Hillary thinks $12 an hour is equitable wages and refuses to acknowledge that productivity gains have translated into less jobs and higher wages only for CEO's. I am for an educated society. Communications has gotten cheaper which should mean education should be cheaper instead the reverse has happened. Unlike Bernie, Hillary refuses to take college debt seriously. I believe Health care not health insurance should be a human right. Hillary doesn't thinks insurance companies have a right to make money off of people's illnesses and fear of getting sick. I believe we are still a nation that thinks live are important helps people needing it. Hillary sends kids back to dangerous countries where they have been killed. And where exactly does Trump stand on all these issues? You tell me. Does anybody know? |
Response to Live and Learn (Reply #13)
Thu May 5, 2016, 04:33 AM
nolawarlock (1,729 posts)
17. Do you know? nt
Response to nolawarlock (Reply #17)
Thu May 5, 2016, 04:35 AM
Live and Learn (12,769 posts)
18. I asked first. Answer or admit you don't know. nt
Response to Live and Learn (Reply #18)
Thu May 5, 2016, 05:21 AM
nolawarlock (1,729 posts)
20. I might admit I don't care lol
Response to nolawarlock (Reply #8)
Thu May 5, 2016, 04:24 AM
fun n serious (4,451 posts)
15. She is ready on day one! Trump? nt
Response to Enrique (Reply #5)
Thu May 5, 2016, 04:23 AM
fun n serious (4,451 posts)
14. Thank goodness too! nt
Response to hill2016 (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:20 AM
merrily (45,251 posts)
6. A stroke of genius that she invented. No one has ever done it before at this stage. No, really!
Response to merrily (Reply #6)
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:40 AM
Armstead (47,803 posts)
25. Trump is an awful man and a bigot
It's going to be a real issue oriented campaign I can see it now
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Response to hill2016 (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:20 AM
nolawarlock (1,729 posts)
7. She is already kicking Trump ass!
Response to nolawarlock (Reply #7)
Thu May 5, 2016, 04:16 AM
w4rma (31,700 posts)
12. Hillary Clinton’s New Anti-Trump Attack Ad Is a Colossal Failure
The ad features a lineup of prominent Republican leaders blasting Donald Trump for one thing or another. The biggest problem is that these are precisely the people Trump just steamrolled. Attacking Donald Trump is admittedly not easy. But surely Clinton’s team can do better than to stitch together clips of failed candidates reciting failed talking points.
One wonders who in the world the ad is trying to appeal to. Does it appeal to Republican voters that already rejected these losers for Trump? Will this ad appeal to liberal voters who rightfully loathe these racists, bigots, and .001% blowhards? http://usuncut.com/politics/clinton-anti-trump-attack-ad-fail/ |
Response to w4rma (Reply #12)
Thu May 5, 2016, 04:32 AM
nolawarlock (1,729 posts)
16. Of course you would say that.
I think it's fantastic.
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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #16)
Thu May 5, 2016, 04:35 AM
w4rma (31,700 posts)
19. You were already supporting her. But, who is her ad supposed to be convincing to support her?
Honestly, the ad is a pretty good ad FOR Trump.
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Response to w4rma (Reply #19)
Thu May 5, 2016, 05:26 AM
nolawarlock (1,729 posts)
21. I disagree.
I think both the new ads sum up exactly who he is, how he's wrong, and how even the right wing can't stand him. I think they're great. I've worked in marketing and at ad agencies for years. This was well done. It's designed to scare people about how crazy trump is. It certainly nails that.
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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #21)
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:41 AM
Armstead (47,803 posts)
26. yes Mitt and Jeb have been really effective at stopping his rise
Response to Armstead (Reply #26)
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:50 PM
nolawarlock (1,729 posts)
35. I see it as showing him as not being a team player ...
... and also going for disaffected Republicans. I just can't wait till folks realize that the Berd is out of the game and we can get to focussing on the real threat, which clearly Hillary is already doing.
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Response to w4rma (Reply #12)
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:43 AM
apcalc (4,323 posts)
27. I thought it was a great ad
Insiders who know Trump say awful things....
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Response to hill2016 (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:22 AM
anotherproletariat (1,446 posts)
9. The other great thing it does is get Sanders out of the news. On the evening MSNBC shows tonight,
I only heard his name twice...and not a single mention on the local news (the day after he won a primary!).
He is going to have to fight to stay relevant, and the more he fights, the more he looks desperate. Also, the more annoying he becomes, the less likely that he will have any leverage with the Democratic Party at the convention...if that is what he is holding out for. It will be fun to watch the establishment (and all those super delegates) get more and more p**sed at him the longer he stays in the race. |
Response to anotherproletariat (Reply #9)
Thu May 5, 2016, 05:29 AM
oasis (48,651 posts)
22. Actually,it's a relief not hearing the same old, tired "oligarchy" tune. nt
Response to oasis (Reply #22)
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:46 AM
Armstead (47,803 posts)
30. America is an Oligarchy. Wealth ahd power are far too concentrated.
That is a very destructive trend.
Sorry if that seems boring, but it's something we shouldn't keep ignoring and enabling. |
Response to hill2016 (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:44 AM
msongs (64,206 posts)
11. well trump will keep bernie in the news by quoting bernie's smears against hillary nt
Response to hill2016 (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:07 AM
NurseJackie (42,862 posts)
23. No need for her to punch down.
Response to hill2016 (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:36 AM
global1 (23,824 posts)
24. It Allows Her To Duck The Real Issues That We Need To Address & ....
that Bernie addresses and lets her off the hook on them.
She can't attack Trump on issues because no one knows where he stands on most. |
Response to hill2016 (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:44 AM
rhett o rick (55,981 posts)
28. That's right bring people back to the reality
that the Oligarchs are going to continue to dominate our government.
"it brings people back to reality instead of dreams of unicorns." Sad day when dreaming of helping the 2.5 million homeless American children is called wanting a unicorn. Goldman-Sachs won't help them but some apparently don't care. Happy with the "reality" of the status quo. |
Response to rhett o rick (Reply #28)
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:14 AM
NurseJackie (42,862 posts)
32. Well, somebody's got to do it.
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Response to hill2016 (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:44 AM
firebrand80 (2,760 posts)
29. It's a necessity
She can't fight a two front war
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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #29)
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:48 AM
Armstead (47,803 posts)
31. If she can't, she shouldn't be president, a job that requires walking and chewing gum simultanrously
Response to firebrand80 (Reply #29)
Thu May 5, 2016, 12:49 PM
frylock (34,825 posts)
34. I bet she tries if she's elected.
Libya AND Syria.
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Response to hill2016 (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:54 PM
NorthCarolina (11,197 posts)
36. It's just a move to make Bernie appear irrelevent to the remaining states yet to vote.
Her "pivot" means nothing beyond that. Try to BECOME inevitable by selling the appearance of inevitability.
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