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salinsky

(1,065 posts)
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:08 AM May 2016

Maybe a Clinton/Sanders Ticket Does Make Sense ...

I posted something along this same line yesterday. I'm pleased to see someone I consider to be one of the more politically astute bloggers thinking similarly ....

I’ve been anticipating the day when Clinton and Trump would emerge as the nominees since last fall, but when the day finally came it still surprised me to experience how it felt. I don’t think I can compare it to anything since the day in college when I sat in my dorm room watching CNN as the Soviet Union collapsed before my eyes.

I had to actually feel what it was like as an actuality before I could begin to wrap my head around it. This has been a dizzying day.

For the first time, the idea of a Clinton-Sanders ticket made some sense to me.

It really didn’t before, because…well…because of a lot of reasons.

But the spectacle of the Republican Party being divided this way has made me reconsider whether it might not be best for the nation if the Democrats can meet this national emergency with the unity and resolve it deserves.

If he’d agree to serve as vice-president, it would immediately unite the Democratic Party and put its activist base into organizing mode. It would inoculate Clinton somewhat against the attacks Trump will bring on free trade and the Iraq War vote.

I can see how Sanders would bring some unnecessary difficulties in the campaign, but I don’t see how a Democratic Party that is strongly united could fail to rampage on the Republicans up and down the ballot.

There are still arguments against this move, including that it will give a lot of Republicans a little more justification for sticking with Trump. It will freak the business community out at the exact moment that they’re realizing that they need to come to Clinton with hat in hand or get shellacked early in her administration.

I can probably find more reasons it’s not a great idea, perhaps related on a granular level to how it would impact a few select suburban House races. And, personally, I’d rather see Sanders back in the Senate.

But, after really feeling the demise of the Conservative Movement, I’m kind of convinced that the biggest possible hammer blow is Democratic unity on the biggest possible scale.

If Hillary goes with a Clinton-Sanders ticket, I think it will knock the fucking House down.

See?

I’ve almost convinced myself.

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2016/5/5/01343/21963
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Maybe a Clinton/Sanders Ticket Does Make Sense ... (Original Post) salinsky May 2016 OP
Nope. He's not qualified. nt LexVegas May 2016 #1
Primary season is over ... salinsky May 2016 #8
No way will I vote for a Clinton Baobab May 2016 #35
+1 stonecutter357 May 2016 #28
He is overqualified to be veep timmymoff May 2016 #40
I think Clinton and Col Sanders would be a fine match. lagomorph777 May 2016 #44
LOL !!!!!!! pangaia May 2016 #54
Well that was stupid AgingAmerican May 2016 #45
LOL !!!!!!!! pangaia May 2016 #55
Your snarky tone is EXACTLY why it is very hard for many of us to vote for Hillary Clinton Chasstev365 May 2016 #80
I posted this on another thread: auntpurl May 2016 #2
You're political logic here is impeccable ... salinsky May 2016 #16
Clinton's hands are tied with clinton-era policy Baobab May 2016 #36
I don't see Clinton being able to work with Sanders in any capacity passiveporcupine May 2016 #59
She doesn't, but, SusanCalvin May 2016 #77
Bernie can deliver some of his supporters w/o being on the ticket. The rest no one can deliver to merrily May 2016 #78
Are you talking about the ones who can't figure out how to register and vote? ... salinsky May 2016 #82
Not by any stretch of the imagination. As for "no loss," that remains to be seen. merrily May 2016 #84
re: "if he 'sells out', they will abandon him" thesquanderer May 2016 #21
I asked some Bernie supporters who I know personally this morning ... salinsky May 2016 #25
Maybe you didn't ask enough of them. merrily May 2016 #79
I only have so many nieces and nephews ... nt salinsky May 2016 #83
Agree. And #5: he wouldn't take it. Hassin Bin Sober May 2016 #34
No he wouldn't. He would join the gravy train but "artfully." nt Jitter65 May 2016 #38
Sanders is NOT interested in the 'gravy train.' pangaia May 2016 #57
The butthurt runs deep AgingAmerican May 2016 #46
It depends how much influence in the administration he would be likely to have Time for change May 2016 #61
I seriously say this with all respect auntpurl May 2016 #62
I respect your opinion, and I don't know if you're right or wrong Time for change May 2016 #71
I'd rather seem him as VP nolawarlock May 2016 #72
Bargaining. Basically: "If not this, then how about that instead." NurseJackie May 2016 #3
Nope. She's not qualified. nt dchill May 2016 #4
Bill's a really good crook. Baobab May 2016 #37
If he really was, would we know it? dchill May 2016 #67
Was Hillary helping make healthcare affordable in 1994? Baobab May 2016 #69
She has never helped anybody without... dchill May 2016 #70
Fuck no. She has no integrity, and if he were to take the VP slot, that'd tell me he lacked it too. VulgarPoet May 2016 #5
You'll always have Gary Johnson ... nt salinsky May 2016 #11
No. She has better judgement than to pick him. Also, She'll pick a Democrat. Lil Missy May 2016 #6
And someone that can be trusted rock May 2016 #10
Like she was with her e amil server? timmymoff May 2016 #42
She has better judgement frylock May 2016 #23
Yeah, she probably misses Zell Miller. n/t bvf May 2016 #49
Her better judgement was so much on display when she SheilaT May 2016 #52
could happen 6chars May 2016 #7
All the consideration that it deserves ... NurseJackie May 2016 #18
Nope. His ego wouldn't allow it and we need someone older. grossproffit May 2016 #9
Egos are most likely what will prevent this from happening ... nt salinsky May 2016 #17
No... Deuce May 2016 #12
No it does not make sense. Demsrule86 May 2016 #13
It would make sense as a ploy to get Independent voters, but their philosophies are too far apart. Vinca May 2016 #14
no... no, not about Sanders... Clinton Castro would seal the fate of the GOP uponit7771 May 2016 #15
Castro is great ... salinsky May 2016 #19
He could bring Florida and maybe even Texas. auntpurl May 2016 #20
+1, Texas is purple... just DNC has ignored GOTV in lower heavily Hispanic counties and Fort Worth uponit7771 May 2016 #81
Maybe to neutralize him loyalsister May 2016 #22
That's what these posts are all about farleftlib May 2016 #32
I'll put it this way... BootinUp May 2016 #24
Then Hillary would have to... seekthetruth May 2016 #26
I do not think they play well together. oldandhappy May 2016 #27
Sanders would never, EVER, be in any kind of Administration with Clinton Jennylynn May 2016 #29
It would seriously damage what he is trying to accomplish. It's hard to change a corrupt system Skwmom May 2016 #30
Democratic party only.......thanks. stonecutter357 May 2016 #31
I can't even imagine a reason why Bernie would accept such an offer. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #33
IF Bernie really meant what he said: he would do everything in his power to keep Trump from Jitter65 May 2016 #39
They would not work well together MBS May 2016 #41
I doubt that Bernie has any interest and doubt that he would accept. CentralMass May 2016 #43
He has too much toxic baggage. Veterans Affairs Committee failure where veterans were dying KittyWampus May 2016 #47
Neither candidate's spouse has been particularly helpful ... nt salinsky May 2016 #48
Keep peddling that Vets stuff SheenaR May 2016 #85
I absolutely love Sanders, but we need a Sanders that is 30+ years younger. JPnoodleman May 2016 #50
Just on the basis of strategy, choosing Sanders as a VP would not be a good choice because of his still_one May 2016 #51
I would lose all respect for him were he to be the VP choice. SheilaT May 2016 #53
Great idea... lol Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #56
I'm 100% for Sanders but mikehiggins May 2016 #58
Nope. Not a cabinet post or VEEP. n/t Lucinda May 2016 #60
I guess I'd have to write in "Bernie sans Hillary" on the ballot then. nt NorthCarolina May 2016 #63
Senator Sanders is far too ethical and honest to soil his... 99Forever May 2016 #64
The Purity Candidate must not be sullied ... salinsky May 2016 #66
Horsepucky. 99Forever May 2016 #68
This! jillan May 2016 #73
it would be Sanders-Clinton Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #65
Check your math ... nt salinsky May 2016 #75
No fucking way...never ever. Sanders is a bitter, angry, negative person. Nt Sheepshank May 2016 #74
He isn't Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #86
She's swinging hard right. The last thing she wants is someone way to the left on the ticket. hobbit709 May 2016 #76
lol at the BS supporters who don't even listen to BS realmirage May 2016 #87

salinsky

(1,065 posts)
8. Primary season is over ...
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:18 AM
May 2016

... quit nursing the butthurt.

Of course, he's qualified.

And, just think of the bone crusher a unity ticket would deliver to the Republican party.

It would be delectable.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
35. No way will I vote for a Clinton
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:42 PM
May 2016

people dont know what that means- its an endorsement of bad policy from the past as well as in the future.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
2. I posted this on another thread:
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:10 AM
May 2016

Sanders doesn't help Hillary, or the party, in a couple of important ways:

1. He's too old. No, not too old to be president, but Hillary should raise some young talent up in the party, someone who can represent the future. She's got the experience, she doesn't need a Biden like Obama did. She could set us up for 16 more years of WH control if she chooses well.

2. VT is already going to go blue. It'd be good if her choice gave us a swing/contested state that we need to win.

3. We really don't want to take any Democratic senators out of Congress. I'd rather she didn't poach a governor either.

4. Sanders is unlikely to bring his supporters along. His supporters, as has been stated many times on DU, are not interested in the individual but rather the ideology. So if he "sells out", they will abandon him.

salinsky

(1,065 posts)
16. You're political logic here is impeccable ...
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:29 AM
May 2016

... in any ordinary election cycle.

This ain't that.

Trump blows the playbook out of the water.

Clinton's main problem is with exciting young people.

Completely counterintuitively, Bernie can deliver them.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
36. Clinton's hands are tied with clinton-era policy
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:45 PM
May 2016

Thats how the system is fixed.

It indeed is fixed and thats how.

Look to those years for the methodology of system fixation.

have I made my point?

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
59. I don't see Clinton being able to work with Sanders in any capacity
Thu May 5, 2016, 05:56 PM
May 2016

He thwarted her will, and she is not happy about it. If she is President, he will feel the pain of her wrath, not a job offer.

She does not have a forgiving or even a compassionate soul. JMHO

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
77. She doesn't, but,
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:58 AM
May 2016

Given the current state of affairs, I feel she'd better change her ways. If she is capable of doing so.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
78. Bernie can deliver some of his supporters w/o being on the ticket. The rest no one can deliver to
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:00 AM
May 2016

Hillary.

thesquanderer

(11,955 posts)
21. re: "if he 'sells out', they will abandon him"
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:19 AM
May 2016

I don't think that agreeing to be VP would be "selling out."

His personal platform could be to work with the president strongly in areas where they agree, while also continuing to try to pressure/persuade her in areas where they do not, where he feels there may be room for movement. He could also accept on the condition that certain key provisions were included in the party platform.

Of course there will be some compromise. Single payer is not going to happen in this scenario. But you know, single payer isn't happening if Bernie merely goes back to the Senate, either.

Meanwhile, with the lingering cloud of possible indictment (small as you may feel that may be), this could also be seen as Sanders' last remaining shot at the presidency.

salinsky

(1,065 posts)
25. I asked some Bernie supporters who I know personally this morning ...
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:21 PM
May 2016

... and, they were all for it to a person.

I know that's anecdotal, but I do not believe that the Hillary Haters on display on DU are representative of the majority of Bernie supporters.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,273 posts)
34. Agree. And #5: he wouldn't take it.
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:39 PM
May 2016

He would have to sit back and say nothing while the Goldman Sachs/Banking industry revolving door made its spins in and out of government.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
57. Sanders is NOT interested in the 'gravy train.'
Thu May 5, 2016, 05:27 PM
May 2016

Your ignorance of just how totally different this man is from all the rest is suffocating.

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
61. It depends how much influence in the administration he would be likely to have
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:19 PM
May 2016

VP is traditionally not a very important job, but in some cases it has been. If it was made clear by the two of them that he would play a substantial role in policy, I would be more likely to voter for the ticket.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
62. I seriously say this with all respect
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:21 PM
May 2016

Bernie could do a hell of a lot more good in the senate. I'm not saying that because I don't want him as VP, I truly believe it. We need liberal senators.

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
71. I respect your opinion, and I don't know if you're right or wrong
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:12 PM
May 2016

The downside is that he's just one of 100 Senators. IF he could have significant influence over Executive Branch policy, maybe he could do more good in that capacity. And it could be a path to the presidency (9 VPs in US history have become President without even having to run, and additional ones have become President after the President finished his term). And what if some escalating scandal escalates between July and November that puts Hillary completely out of the running? Bernie would be there to pick up the pieces. And surely it would be a much stronger ticket, more likely to beat Trump.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
5. Fuck no. She has no integrity, and if he were to take the VP slot, that'd tell me he lacked it too.
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:13 AM
May 2016

A spoonful of sugar doesn't make a plateful of shit palatable.

rock

(13,218 posts)
10. And someone that can be trusted
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:19 AM
May 2016

and relied on, and with a grasp on reality. All which Bernie lacks.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
52. Her better judgement was so much on display when she
Thu May 5, 2016, 05:19 PM
May 2016

voted for the Iraq war. Or installed an illegal server in her home so she could continue using technology she'd been explicitly told not to use.

I guess in this case "better judgement" means "She does whatever the fuck she wants to do, consequences be damned."

6chars

(3,967 posts)
7. could happen
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:17 AM
May 2016

you are right, there are pros and cons. Hillary is a smart politician. I am sure she is giving the idea due consideration.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
13. No it does not make sense.
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:26 AM
May 2016

Bernie has nothing to offer Hillary and after saying stuff that Trump is now using in his attacks on Hillary...no way. I dislike Bernie and do not believe he has integrity after the way he has behaved. so no.

Vinca

(50,172 posts)
14. It would make sense as a ploy to get Independent voters, but their philosophies are too far apart.
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:28 AM
May 2016

Hillary is still Goldman Sachs, Bernie is still anti-Wall Street. Hillary is still big insurance, Bernie is still single-payer. It's like oil and water. Doesn't mix.

salinsky

(1,065 posts)
19. Castro is great ...
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:34 AM
May 2016

... I'm not sure that he brings the same punch in the neck as bringing Sanders onboard tho.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
20. He could bring Florida and maybe even Texas.
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:42 AM
May 2016

That's quite enough of a punch. Sanders can't help us in VA, PA, OH, all the moderate states that we absolutely need in the GE. But Castro could make the biggest difference - if we win FL and hold onto the Obama coalition, Trump cannot mathematically win.

Of course, if we win TX it goes without saying we win the GE in a landslide and the Republican party is in its death throes. I would love it if that happened as a result of a POC coalition. GOP grief would be so delightful.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
81. +1, Texas is purple... just DNC has ignored GOTV in lower heavily Hispanic counties and Fort Worth
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:24 AM
May 2016

... Texas one only large cities in the US that vote GOP.

The city is bigger than Vegas population wise and it votes GOP!!!

Castro would be a definite plus if they want to choke the horrid culture of Chump out of the GOP

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
22. Maybe to neutralize him
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:34 AM
May 2016

That would be the real purpose. I don't see him turning his agenda, and that of the people who support him into a Quixotic effort. Assuming she is the nominee and actually wins, people will fair better with him and EW in the senate holding her accountable. Sadly, many of us feel that it is necessary.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
32. That's what these posts are all about
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:34 PM
May 2016

It must be the new marching orders from Camp Weathervane. Putting Bernie in a
useless ceremonial role would accomplish nothing and would give her the veneer of
liberalism of which she so desperately lacks. It would be a heads she wins, tails he
loses and they think we can't see that. Incredible.

BootinUp

(46,928 posts)
24. I'll put it this way...
Thu May 5, 2016, 12:35 PM
May 2016

There has to be a close knit partnership between the POTUS and VP both in the campaign and after. So to me, that would have to exist. I am not sure it could happen. I would not be in favor of a troubled partnership.

 

seekthetruth

(504 posts)
26. Then Hillary would have to...
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:27 PM
May 2016

......have a SEVERE come to Jesus moment and truly hold herself accountable to the progressive cause..on every issue.

Unfortunately, she's just not that trustworthy.

Jennylynn

(696 posts)
29. Sanders would never, EVER, be in any kind of Administration with Clinton
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:32 PM
May 2016

Haven't you guys been listening to at least SOME of what he's been saying for the last year? (30 years?)

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
30. It would seriously damage what he is trying to accomplish. It's hard to change a corrupt system
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:32 PM
May 2016

when you are defending it.
 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
33. I can't even imagine a reason why Bernie would accept such an offer.
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:34 PM
May 2016

OTOH, I can imagine why Hillary would want to add someone who, at least, appears to be left of her and still by a Yesman/woman.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
39. IF Bernie really meant what he said: he would do everything in his power to keep Trump from
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:07 PM
May 2016

being President...he would accept the VP in a heart beat. If not, he would turn it down.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
41. They would not work well together
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:35 PM
May 2016

. . either as running mates on the campaign trail, or in the white house.
No way would this be a functional team.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
47. He has too much toxic baggage. Veterans Affairs Committee failure where veterans were dying
Thu May 5, 2016, 04:43 PM
May 2016

for lack of care.

And then there's his wife, Jane.

She screwed over, not one, but TWO colleges. One of which is now involved in two law suits directly caused by her malfeasance.

And then there's the fact she got on the Texas Board that dumped nuclear waste on a minority community. After Sanders voted to dump that waste there.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
85. Keep peddling that Vets stuff
Fri May 6, 2016, 09:33 AM
May 2016

Someone may believe you that he was the cause of that.

I posted two polls for you yesterday in which veterans support Sanders in large numbers over Clinton. But don't let anything like that get in the way of your continued smear campaign.

Look. I'm sorry O'Malley didn't work out and couldn't even beat this candidate you think is Worthless. But it's time to lose the bitterness

still_one

(91,965 posts)
51. Just on the basis of strategy, choosing Sanders as a VP would not be a good choice because of his
Thu May 5, 2016, 05:15 PM
May 2016

age. He is 74 years old right now. Ideally you want a VP in there who is young enough to be groomed to run in the next election.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
53. I would lose all respect for him were he to be the VP choice.
Thu May 5, 2016, 05:21 PM
May 2016

But more to the point, she's not going to choose him because they are too totally opposed on many important issues, and he'd never go along with her immoral stands on so many things. He has integrity.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
56. Great idea... lol
Thu May 5, 2016, 05:25 PM
May 2016

Hillary will fill her cabinet
with Wall St cronies.

Did you miss this whole
"wealth inequality" thingy going on?

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
58. I'm 100% for Sanders but
Thu May 5, 2016, 05:55 PM
May 2016

if HRC wants a good VP she should ask O'Malley, or maybe the Secretary of Labor. That Castro kid would be okay too.

Sanders is too old to waste the rest of his life going to foriegn funerals and presiding over the Senate. If he doesn't get the nomination, let him return to the Senate and continue his good work. Joining any potential HRC administration would neutralize and negate the work he's done so far.

Anyway, challenging the status quo doesn't usually mean joining it.

It'd be fine to help combat the threat Trump poses but joining in a HRC administration would be too much like showing approval and support.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
64. Senator Sanders is far too ethical and honest to soil his...
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:24 PM
May 2016

... reputation and legacy by being associated with the likes of a Clinton Administration.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
68. Horsepucky.
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:28 PM
May 2016

That's the lamest fucking attempt at hiding the slime that IS the Clinton campaign by stupid I've ever seen.

Purity, my ass.

Simple straight-forward honesty. Something that doesn't exist in Clintonworld.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
65. it would be Sanders-Clinton
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:25 PM
May 2016

but with all the controversy that's coming re: Clinton I would not think she would be suitable for VP.

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
87. lol at the BS supporters who don't even listen to BS
Sat May 7, 2016, 12:54 AM
May 2016

BS himself is hinting he wants VP, and has said repeatedly he'll stump for her vs trump. But some people here are on their own planet and don't even listen to Bernie anymore. Welcome to the 5th dimension, space walkers

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