I don't care what you say about Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders

[LynneSin]

There is absolutely NOTHING that you can post here that could make be believe that I should NOT vote Democratic in the General Election.

I am EXTREMELY comfortable with a President Clinton or a President Sanders. In fact I look forward to getting involved in helping out with the General Elections up in Pennsylvania to ensure that we keep the White House Democratic come 2017. (And maybe pick up a Senate seat to boot!)

I'm sure some of you have your tales of 'Doom and Gloom' to share with me as to why one of these candidates really isn't qualified to be president. And you know what - BULLSHIT.

Because on Bernie Sanders OR Hillary Clinton's absolutely WORST DAY EVER - I'd still rather have one of them in the White House than that scam artist Donald Trump.

Any argument otherwise is bullshit. This isn't just about our economy - this is about the civil rights of millions of people that will be swept away and helping elect Trump by voting 3rd party (or not voting) is simply NOT ACCEPTABLE TO ME!

[BootinUp]

1. And both candidates agree with you too!

[LynneSin]

3. I saw class in 2008 after the Democratic Primaries

All the infighting was nauseating in the primaries but in the end the Obama people and the Clinton people united to help get Obama elected. And the disgruntled Hillary people who felt like they wanted to 'Take their ball and go home' - we didn't miss them one bit. In the end I don't think that many left disgruntled. When Hillary came out and supported Obama, her followers supported him too.

[merrily]

27. Oh, for pity sake. They made a deal. It was the least classy Democratic primary I've ever seen

[Andy823]

55. No

This current primary is the least classy, and most disgusting.

[pangaia]

32. Do you understand the difference in the 2 contenders then vs the 2 contenders now?

Whatever he decides to do, Bernie Sanders is not one of 'THEM.'

[LynneSin]

37. You think that matters how I will vote in November?

I'm not a selfish prick. My own personal political stances are not so high and mighty that I would think my vote is way more important than the Civil Rights of every American Citizen in this country. I don't know what to expect with Hillary Clinton as President but I do know it would be extremely WAY BETTER for Civil Rights with her in the White House than with Donald Trump.

If I want to change the country I need to start fighting for those other elections too. And we need to get Gerrymandering made illegal, fix voter rights - then we can change the country.

[pangaia]

43. So you feel I am a selfish prick.

Well I do have a prick. I will agree with that. Although I probably would not say I have been selfish with it, for better or worse. But that could be another thread.

There are different truths at different levels, just as there are different kinds of intelligences.

There is mental intelligence, feeling intelligence, physical intelligence....and each of those also have the same breakdowns..ie..the feeling, mental and physical parts of mental intelligence...and so forth.
The lowest part of each of the 3 main intelligences is the physical part.

Referring to me as a selfish prick comes from the physical part of (your) feeling intelligence.

A rather lower functioning part of the human organism.

[LynneSin]

44. Reading your posts makes me realize my assessment was pretty darn accurate

Alot of bullshit to justify why you'd be happy with an asshole like Trump in the White House killing the Civil Rights for millions just because your candidate didn't win.

Whatever

[pangaia]

52. See, you just accused me of being happy with trump in the white house.

You have no idea whatsoever what I think. none..
You are thinking with your feelings.. This is not an uncommon thing for many people to do.

Oh, my post was not bullshit. It is fact.

[AgadorSparticus]

39. Bernie has said he will support Hillary.

[LynneSin]

45. And btw Hillary would support Bernie too

No official candidate has been selected yet.

[AgadorSparticus]

54. It goes without say. But at this conjuction, it is HIGHLY unlikely Hillary will be supportin Bernie.

It will be the other way. Hoping for a miracle is not on my agenda right now, though. I think he is in it for many reasons. But winning the nomination is not one of them.

[JaneyVee]

2. Same here.

[blm]

4. Voting Rights Act needs to be restored by Supreme Court. Citizens United must be overturned.

Environment cannot withstand any more deregulation of industries.

Anyone who refuses to acknowledge the gravity involved is not here at DU for progress, and is more likely posting here to distract and divide.

[LynneSin]

8. And the chances that will happen if we do not unite behind the Democratic Nominee..

Less than Zero

The sad thing is in the end I'm grateful I live in the Northeast and for that matter Delaware, where I know state laws will protect me on some levels and maintain civil rights for all Delawareans. But I know if we allow for state law to rule the country then there will be states that will create 2nd & 3rd tier citizenship for those that are deemed 'unacceptable' by so-called Christian Standards. And Christian Sharia laws will overtake the Constitution. I fight for the democrats because all of us deserve to be treated as equals in this country and not because of what state we happen to live.

[blm]

10. I'm in NC now, Lynne, and EVERYTHING the SCOTUS does is felt deeply in this state.

Wisconsin folks are saying the same. Swing states were targeted with the most onerous voting restrictions and the most extreme gerrymandering.

We are left-leaning states forced to live under far right rule.

[merrily]

29. It's up to the candidates to overturn it. McCain almost did before it was even decided. Bernie did.

Hillary tripled down on Citizens United while claiming she hated it.

[pangaia]

33. Or.. perhaps some might just have a different view of life.

[WheelWalker]

5. My sentiments, exactly. I couldn't agree with you more. Spot on.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

6. You have said it, and perfectly too. Thank you!

[CobaltBlue]

7. That’s nice

However, I don’t believe either one will do.

[Buzz Clik]

13. Where will you be posting after primaries? Not here.

[CobaltBlue]

20. Oh, I don’t know if I will still be alive.

[Bleacher Creature]

9. Amen! Thank you.

[Surya Gayatri]

11. ^^^AMEN to this!^^^

There is absolutely NOTHING that you can post here that could make be believe that I should NOT vote Democratic in the General Election.

[FSogol]

12. Big K& R n/t

[cali]

14. Fine. I'm not comfortable with hillary

At all. I think she's dangerous. Not as dangerous as trump, but that is a low bar.

[pangaia]

34. Exactly.. saying Hillary is better than trump is like saying....

oh...I don't know.....an Edsel is better than a Corvair....

[LynneSin]

46. I wouldn't quite compare the Edsel to the Corvair

Edsel was more of a marketing failure whereas the Corvair had serious design issues that were dangerous to those who drove it.

If I was forced to pick one I'd be ok with an Edsel because if anything it's kinda a classic and I know that the Corvair was actually dangerous.

[MineralMan]

15. Exactly!

[PatSeg]

16. And we should put our energy

into the down-ballot races, instead of tearing our presidential candidates to pieces. A Dem in the White House is not enough to undo all the damage that republicans have done. Democrats really need to get their priorities in order, I'm quite sure the republicans are.

[LynneSin]

18. This post post for the win ^^^^^^^^^

Honestly, let's say Bernie wins the nomination. Does he think Congress would magically change and suddenly Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell would be like ' What can we do to make you the absolutely best president in the world?'. I mean even if we were to manage to overtake the Senate (feasible) and the House (unlikely), those 2 would do everything to undermine a democratic president in hopes they could boot him in 2020.

If all I cared about was the Presidency I'd campaign in Delaware close to home. But we have a hot senate race up in Pennsylvania and I plan on helping get out the vote to not only keep Pennsylvania Blue for the White House but to win a Senate seat pickup too!

[PatSeg]

19. Yep

Republicans aren't always as dumb as they look. When we were all basking in the glow of our two presidential victories, they were turning governorships, state legislatures, and congress red. Add to that the fact that many Dems tend to skip Mid-term elections. Republicans tend to be low-information voters, but they vote religiously. Their ignorance is offset by their hive-mind consistency.

[pangaia]

35. Honestly, let's say Hillary wins the nomination.... copy and paste....

[LynneSin]

38. Ain't over until the final day of the Convention and the delegates are counted

I don't assume anything.

[L. Coyote]

17. I support our great candidates.

and i look forward to November.

[Beacool]

21. Hear, hear!!!

Hillary, Sanders or any other Democrat. I would walk through fire to vote against Trump.

Can anyone imagine this vulgarian sitting in the Oval Office???? I don't see it.

[VOX]

22. Right f***ing on, LynneSin!

THANK YOU!

I'm voting for Bernie in CA next month, but if Hillary comes out on top when the dust settles, she has my vote, easily.

NO MORE REPUBLICANS.

[Skinner]

23. This.

[uponit7771]

24. Amen and Amen!!!

[Demsrule86]

25. I agree

I vote Democratic in all elections.

[pengu]

26. There's nothing you can say to make me ok with Hillary

So, impasse?

[LynneSin]

48. So you are ok with Donald Trump then

** shakes head **

We're not talking primaries here we are talking General Election. And maybe I wouldn't have even made this post if it was someone like Marco Rubio or John Kascish on the ticket - Republicans who I would not support but I do not consider extremely dangerous to this country.

You want better candidates then we need to get rid of Gerrymandering, Citizen United and these restrictive Voter ID bills. They will only get worse with someone like Trump in the White House.

At least with Hillary we will get people on the courts that can help us. Once those laws are corrected we might see better races for Senate and the House and can make this country go forward.

I look at it this way, DU promotes the Democratic Candidate for the election so I won't have to worry about the 'I won't vote for XXXXX Democratic Nominee' after the primaries are done.

[pengu]

50. I'm not ok with Trump or Clinton

I think the presidency is lost for this cycle the moment Sanders is out of the race.

[Duckhunter935]

28. Of course I will vote

Down ticket. My state is so red, one les vote at the top will not matter. Everyone needs to vote in all elections.

[merrily]

30. My state is so blue it won't matter. The only ones who have to do a lot of soul searching

about the long term game versus the short term game are the few voters in the purple states. Yet billions will be spent. It's so sickening.

[LynneSin]

41. I know how you feel

I could write in just about any name and it won't matter where I live. And honestly, if Trump won it probably won't have too much of an impact because I would suspect the GOP would push things back to 'States Rights' which means I live in a very blue state that should be safe from nut jobs gaining control.

But I think it's selfish to say 'Hey I'm set for life screw the rest of the country'. I know there are amazing people in those red states who are trying their hardest to get a better government and it won't happen if we blue state voters say 'Screw em, let the Red States suffer'.

My biggest issue right now is Gerrymandering with Voter Rights and overturning Citizens United very close behind that. The combination of these 2 will ensure that the GOP and religious right can keep control of this country even though there are more registered Democrats in this country. If we can these horrible laws overturned then we will see great strides in Democracy again and a government that works for the people. And the only way this will happen is if we keep a Democrat in the White House that will pick the next couple of Supreme Court justices.

Once that happens things will get better. Texas is a blue state. But it's hard to be a blue state when it's gerrymandered to death and it's frustrating for voters when their vote means nothing because their districts are designed to ensure their crappy representative gets re-elected safely over and over again.

We can make a change but not if we give up on the White House because the candidate we supported in the primaries didn't win. And btw the one I chose to support opted out (Joe Biden) so I'm on team Blue!

[merrily]

42. Remind me where I said blue states should make red states suffer?

[quickesst]

31. Nuff said...

[chervilant]

36. SMDH...

[AgadorSparticus]

40. Exactly!! K&R

[Turin_C3PO]

47. Exactly!

I hate when people say that it will be just as bad under Clinton because the economy will still suck and favor the 1%. Well yeah I kind of agree with that. HOWEVER, Hillary is damn great on civil rights and at least under her,POC, women, LGBT won't have to worry about Civil Rights regressing back to the 1950's. So yeah, I'll gladly pull that lever for Clinton when the time comes.

[LynneSin]

49. Civil Rights and Supreme Court - that is #1 for me

Civil Rights because we have made major advances and must continue to make them

Supreme Court because we cannot fix this country until we get rid of Gerrymandering, Citizen United and racist Voter ID laws.

[Else You Are Mad]

51. Well put.

I 100% agree with this. Thank you for your post. Even though I support Sanders 100%, once the GE comes around, I will support whoever the candidate is and do everything I can to ensure they are elected.

[JonLeibowitz]

53. I think I can agree with some of what you said.

There is absolutely NOTHING that you can post here that could make be believe that I should NOT vote Democratic in the General Election.

This is certainly true. You can't post things here which would convince you not to vote Democratic. In fact, they'd be hidden straight away and you'd be booted off the site.

However, there are excellent arguments to be made. You can't just make them here. Well put.

[wildeyed]

56. OH HELL YES!

Bring the GOP some serious PAIN in PA.