2016 Postmortem
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(6,059 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)back at ya.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)hasn't been used a bajillion fucking times over.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)is highlight the fact that your candidate of choice and her policies are deeply, deeply despised by a majority in our country.
"No major party nominee before Clinton or Trump had a double-digit net negative strong favorability rating. Clintons would be the lowest ever, except for Trump."
No past candidate comes close to Clinton, and especially Trump, in terms of engendering strong dislike a little more than six months before the election.
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bettyellen
(47,209 posts)This seeming anomaly is explained again and again every time a well researched article posts these numbers.
Maybe read one and find out- the numbers actually bode well for HRC's chances in November.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Clinton 2,202, Sanders 1,455
pinebox
(5,761 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)We need the strongest candidate to beat Trump.
That is NOT Hillary.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Bernie is losing to Trump and cant even garner core Dem base demographics.
I won't get hidden for laughing, will I?
The Political Revolution is not being televised.
Bernie can beat the pants off Trump. And will.
Just wait and see, JaneyVee.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Stallion
(6,474 posts)he's no longer a viable candidate to appear on the General Election Ballot
Phlem
(6,323 posts)Just because she makes the nominee, that equals her beating Trump?
Wow. OK.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)We know for a fact Bernie won't win, because he won't be in the contest.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)tell us more.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)The math tells the story
pinebox
(5,761 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Tell us how that bodes well for Dems when they are facing a populace RW candidate who is NOT a politician in an age where America is sick of them?
Have fun with that.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Going pretty well so far.
She's actually doing even better than that, because that number includes the Rasmussen propaganda poll.
Just because she wins the nomination does not fucking equal the crushing of trump.
Try a fucking logic class.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)Oh of course, only if it's something you want to hear.
Logic class 101, if they'll let you in.
jzodda
(2,124 posts)Your critique is that "don't believe everything you read"
That's somehow a more logical answer then somebody pointing out to you the real clear politics average about the polling that shows she is clearly ahead of Trump?
That is emotion talking, not logic.
Logic=Math
Do you deny she is ahead in both pledged and unbound delegates? Do you deny she has won all the big states and has millions more total votes?
You people don't ever consider what would happen if knowing the above facts the convention gives it to Bernie anyway. I would not vote in November at all. Many would also do so. Why should I vote when my NY primary vote is then deemed to be worthless? Ill sit it out. Maybe even vote for Trump. Is that logical? Nope...Its emotional and a reaction to feeling like I was cheated.
There's two sides to everything.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)your conclusion is incomplete.
If it was math alone then I wouldn't have a problem.
But It's not just math because our voting system is rigged.
So math cannot compute the honest outcome can it? Just what your being told it is.
So go on with yo bad ass math.
I've been working with math programmers for 20 + fucking years. Please.
If you really understood logic you would know that the election is not being run honestly. You would also know that we're getting ready to elect a thirdway corporatists for the third time expecting different results.
How's that fucking math adding up?
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Heck of a job she's doing there.
We came, we saw, he died. If I had read that as an unattributed quote, I would have sworn it fell out of Bush's mouth instead of hers. Utterly disgusting!
ReRe
(10,597 posts)"math death."
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"And Hillary will lose a GE..."
Prophecies and magical thinking.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)Both nominees are the most disliked of each party?
Yea, that's fucking Democracy in action.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Authoritarian senator, authoritarian bill.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Only a woman with a huge lead would be asked to drop out. Meanwhile, Bernie is in 3rd place.
JudyM
(29,233 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)To her decades of numerous accomplishments.
JudyM
(29,233 posts)feminists find it extremely harmful to our credibility when cries of sexism without basis are tossed around.
You claim sexism, but you are destroying feminist credibility by continuing to do so when there is no basis for it. If somethings sexist, by all means call it. If not, you are anti-feminist by your false claim.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)she managed to tell the world 50 times that TPP was the gold standard of trade, that's quite an accomplishment. Her Libya regime change policy was such and accomplishment Obama called that particular accomplishment his worst mistake. Yes, it's her accomplishments that scare us, well and her terrible judgment, as stated.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)As for Hillary creating Daesh...let us remember that she's buddies with Kissinger and Kissinger was an vocal supporter of Charlie Wilson and Scoop Jackson. All the bloody Democrats draw their foreign policy bona-fides from Nixon's favorite war-criminal.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)How many times does Hillary have to get caught lying before it's simply established fact that she's a chronic liar?
How many times does Hillary get to support Cheneyesque regime change before it's simply established fact that she's a warmonger?
How many times does Hillary have to sell the middle class and poor people down the river before it's simply established fact that she's an elitist working to enrich her elitist buddies?
Once was plenty. After that, it was just reminders that she's unfit to serve as President.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Probably started by the Brock machine.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)If anyone should consider dropping out it aint Hillz.
polly7
(20,582 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)an FBI investigation, with a propensity to fabricate complete crap (see "Bosnian sniper fire" , and who fondly remembers how Nancy Reagan was at the vanguard of the battle against the AIDS crisis?
You mean that woman?
Enough with the sexism bull. No legs there, and continually trotting it out only makes you look desperate and panicky.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)Not everyone is that gullible.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Even the term "Truth-O-Meter" is worth a chuckle, all by itself. It fairly shouts, "If you're six years old, this might interest you!"
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... Whaaaaaaaaaaatttt? My foot! Not 2016.
Honesty = truth = Bernie Sanders!
Phlem
(6,323 posts)But OK here are a few.
Well there's the lying:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x109944
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/mar/25/hillary-clinton/video-shows-tarmac-welcome-no-snipers/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/lists/people/fact-checking-2016-democratic-presidential-candida/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=355426
There her IRAQ war vote:
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2015/sep/02/11-examples-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-hol/
There's the fact that she's moved right:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-brasunas/there-is-a-moderate-republican-in-this-race_b_9704194.html
How about the Corporate friendly nominee's donors.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/07/facebook-posts/meme-says-hillary-clintons-top-donors-are-banks-an/
Here's one fact about Bernie:
http://www.politifact.com/california/article/2016/apr/19/bernie-sanders-has-never-felt-burn-politifacts-pan/
There's a whole lot more where that came from, but I'm done doing your homework for you.
Refute it.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)Is it all about the vagina?
Your bringing sexism into this?
That's absolutely disgusting.
Is that your reason for voting for her, because she's female?
Here's a clue, corruption, greed, lying does not require a human sex organ.
Last I checked both sexes are equally fucking awesome at both.
JFC.
Joob
(1,065 posts)(way above that now, it's still "live" )
Probably enough tweets for 3 speeches now...
pinebox
(5,761 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)In a country where the opposition just nominated a misogynist woman hater is no surprise. Good news: shes got millions of more votes than the woman haters.
JudyM
(29,233 posts)that is disturbing.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)Let's ponder what would happen here if a male did that?
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)with an endless cache of dirty tricks and rigging.
Everyone knows she cheated and that's why she's ahead.
She can't get more than 500 to a rally and she has less than half of the individual campaign contributions that Bernie has--but somehow she's winning. Oh! And the exit polls are all wrong, as well.
Joe Scarborough said, as he left my state--the night Hillary "won" the Iowa Caucuses--that reporter after reporter approached him and said, "You know Bernie won. You know he did."
eridani
(51,907 posts)Other than promoting fracking, talking Obama into trashing Libya, approving the Honduras coup and private prisons.
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obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)Just appalling.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)hence the phrase "general discussion"
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Will I get hidden if I say I didn't see a darn thing wrong with your hidden post back there? What's up with that? Oh well, upward and onward>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on to fighting the good fight.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)... we know we're in real trouble when they hide the effing the truth. It's plain old censorship right here on DU. This ain't Church, damn'it. This is the rough and tumble DemocraticUnderground, where passions and tempers and minds wrestle out loud.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)appalling that your voting with blinders on.
you should check post #71. Now that's appalling.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)all things Hillary long enough to consider what a Trump presidency would mean to them. The Left should no longer ask why middle class Republicans vote against their own interests. We have our own. They're called Sanders supporters.
still_one
(92,138 posts)with the same disdain, and would NEVER vote for either one.
When the primaries started I initially viewed Sanders in a very favorable light. No more. I can't even stand to watch him when he is on TV. I have to turn the channel. Ironically, that is the same thing I do with the trump, and the former republican candidates.
Turin_C3PO
(13,964 posts)I'm sorry but Bernie is nowhere near being as bad as Trump, just as Hillary isn't. Don't let this primary cloud your reason. This shit about Dropout Hillary as well as some of the other juvenile stuff that's come out of Sander's supporters is because many young millennials are posting stupid shit (because they're young). Don't blame Sanders for that.
still_one
(92,138 posts)have agreed with you
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... because Bernie Sanders wasn't on there that much. M$M only covers the Donald or Republican candidates. Then Hill, then Bernie.
still_one
(92,138 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)handling (mishandling?) of national security data is.
You guys continue to think that an FBI investigation is some partisan congressional committee or you think the country's biggest single criminal investigation team does "security reviews." You tell yourselves this in order to ignore that merely NOT following protocol when it comes to handling information pertaining to the nation's defense is a crime, intentional or not.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)cranking out the rude and obnoxious on social media.
We've been watching this shit show for months.
New material, get some...
pinebox
(5,761 posts)it's ok though, it appears most Hillary supporters don't use social media. Wouldn't expect you to know that.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)More of the same...
pinebox
(5,761 posts)What do you expect?
It's the 2016 version of K-Tel and Ronco!
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Is that too much to ask?
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)You won't find me posting any right wing bullshit here. You won't find me gleefully standing hand in hand with the Republicans in their witch hunts against Democrats.
Words have meaning and apparently you don't understand this one. But maybe that's the problem here these days. Maybe folks just don't really understand what they are doing when they regurgitate right wing propaganda here. And maybe they do and just don't care. Those types have been trolling DU for over a decade.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)are still allowed to post.
yeah.
right.
double standard DU.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)The volume of trolls pretending to be Bernie supporters and stacking DU juries is probably well documented. Skinner has pointed out the bias in the jury system a while back. Hence the new rules coming soon to DU.
There are always assholes on both sides, but the influx of new posters who wear their hatred for Hillary like a badge and spam the forum with right wing propaganda exceeds just about any other type of trolling I've seen on DU.
It is what it is.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)that serves no purposed except to incite a negative emotional response. Like your OP, for example.
Alas, BernieBro behavior is not new at this point. It's gotten quite old.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)there they are, loud and clear. . . are you EVER going to listen?
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)It's called something, alright. "Speaking," not so much...
If these people want to be "heard" or taken seriously, perhaps they shouldn't sound like a bunch of 12 year olds whipping up a throw down after 3rd period.
This pack of cyber-bullies stopped being interesting months ago.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Or you are purposely mischaracterising them.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)This is not some third world republic where the loser wins.
still_one
(92,138 posts)to be.
Well I despised Hillary from the very 1st moment the establishment took my choice away and shoved her down our throats.
She was a fucking awful the first and and even more so this time.
Try refuting anything in post #71 because those are a few reasons HILLARY SUCKS!
Mike Nelson
(9,953 posts)...when you are winning, you don't "drop out" of the contest! Also, Hillary's approval ratings are extraordinarily high, given the negative media she gets.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)hertopos
(833 posts)Acting like teenager.
I do not support some of Hilary's judgment.
However, this is so insulting. This is something that should happen at Freeperville.
Surely, DU became a High-school bully social media.
It is just so sad.
Hertopos
basselope
(2,565 posts)hertopos
(833 posts)Much more than these high school bullies. DU is now taken over by BS/ Freeper.
Shame on you.
It really does not reflect well on your candidate.
I fully support Sanders intent to go to contested convention.
However, post like this does not deserve on DU.
Be civil.
hertopos
your asking Bernie supporters to be civil!?
You first!
basselope
(2,565 posts)I don't respect people who are for war.
I don't respect people who are so easily bought/sold.
I don't respect people who will do/say anything to get elected with no plans to follow through.
I don't respect people who try and hide behind their gender to cover up their flaws.
I don't think she has earned a morsel of respect.
I am being very civil by simply saying she doesn't deserve respect, far more civil than she was when she twice plunged the middle east into chaos.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)At least the issues these people have are about substance, like her love for war
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)That is looking iffy.
But I'll hang in there as best I can until the FBI gets back to us.
Back in 2007 this was "waiting on the world to change", and it did, and Bernie ran, and now I substitute the lyrics for "waiting on the shoe to drop".
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... it's election time and we are in a dead heat nearing the end of a primary.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)has been doing to Bernie.
FSogol
(45,480 posts)You must be very proud!
Phlem
(6,323 posts)in the sand.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It is what it is. Educate yourself.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)dragged it here. Another day in GDP.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)#DropOutHillary
#ForTheGoodOfTheCountry
#WeCanDoBetter
#NotWithHer