2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumwhy do we hate?
is it mandatory?
does one candidate or another
(not the mileu of supporters but the actual candidate)
manifest more hatred than the other?
and, if so,
why?
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)much appreciated
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)the fact that the person I hated was deliberately making m,y life a living hell at work is not good enough justification for my stomache issues. So I turned hatred to pity for their miserable lives, But yesterday I gave up and just plain hated my doctors receptionist/nurse. She is making my health a living hell, How many times has she not sent the referral - that I finally called to make sure they would send the referral, then call the next day to make sure they sent the referral, got an affirmative from her for both. But no, so for the third time in this one persistent illness (mostly because no progress can be made this way). so once again a doctor cancelled my appointment and I had to reschedule for 2 weeks away. This has been dragging on for 3 months now. I asked to change my primary and the insurance company is giving me a hard time, but I told them my dying because of a bad doctor will have my family suing. I tried calling the primary's office while at the specialist but the nurse and the receptionist were on their 2 hour lunch break. Who gets a 2 hour lunch break anymore with no one to cover the office?
ok sorry for ranting, I Have been doing this for 2 days now, but yes, hate is back in my life.
Funtatlaguy
(10,889 posts)I'm pretty much over it.
Seems most here just want to argue for arguments sake.
I guarantee you that Hillary and Bernie do not feel this way about each other.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)I don't hate Hillary, I just don't think she's fit to be president.
Just like I don't hate a doctor who screwed up or charges too much. I just get another doctor.
reddread
(6,896 posts)I dont sense hatred from liberal voters.
but hatred is a definite tool in some toolboxes.
reddread
(6,896 posts)I suppose the reasons are substantial and irrefutable.
I just cant quite follow the logic?
help?
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Keep blaming in all directions so we don't have to look at ourselves.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Which they think gives them carte blanche to co-opt what ever they feel they might like.
reddread
(6,896 posts)They sure seem to accept the idea with absolute indifference to the lives of others.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Just look at Trump and the things he has said that has generated more hate towards Muslims and Islam.
People are taught to hate. They're not born with it.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)Just tack the word "metaphorically" onto a phrase that reads like utter bloodlust, and it's all, um, good.
Like so:
"Hillary has faced madmen and scum since day one! Any other candidate would be justified to unleash the forces of hell on these madmen. Their camps should be airholed, with logic. You should be able to sail a boat through the blood spilled by those who stood against her, metaphorically"-Satire
bvf
(6,604 posts)as "satire," as much as it does an excuse to go nuts with words that paint quite a picture.
Or are you looking to be a modern-day Swift? Correctly done, satire needs no explicit label saying, "Hey, look! Satire here!"
That's just plain lame.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Meaning its from an article, an article that is satire. An article that is satire that I didnt write. Its from Cafe. LOL.
bvf
(6,604 posts)to be a modern-day Swift. Cafe is. You simply saw fit to lift the passage without attribution. That makes it lamer yet.
Everything else still holds.
BTW, if you're running low on apostrophes, I'd be willing to trade you some in exchange for any superfluous ellipses you might have sitting around.
Let me know.
"LOL!"
- bvf
Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)I thought it was largely on the conservative side. But there's such a level of hate out of so many Bernie folks towards various elected officials on "our side" that it really is damning.
reddread
(6,896 posts)Hillary Clinton and the IWR.
damned liberals.
they need to heel,
dont they?
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)We may hate those that harm us or harm others we care for
Hating someone who is cruel to animals or harmed our sibling.
We may hate those who seem to have benefit possibly at a cost to us
Hating the 1% or billionaires
laruemtt
(3,992 posts)hate.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Hate is easy. Hate feels good. Hate requires no justification, no sacrifice, no commitment.
Hate clouds the mind and subverts reason. Hate does more harm to me than to the object of my hatred. I see no point to it.
Mike__M
(1,052 posts)Spinoza: Ethics, Part 3, Proposition XIII, excerpt from the Note
But also:
[div class="excerpt"Proposition XXIV. If we conceive that anyone pleasurably affects an object of our hate, we shall feel hatred towards him also. If we conceive that he painfully affects that said object, we shall feel love towards him.
DookDook
(166 posts)I heard a 'doctor' talk about this once, either on TV or the Radio. They were saying how some people just enjoy being angry, and after a while it just becomes standard operating procedure. I think that some people are just used to being angry all the time. I blame Fox News for a lot of this, always keeping people worked up with fear (War on Christmas! Terror Attack! Breaking News! etc) but also our busy lifestyles and reality TV also play a part. We do need to find something to talk about so why not talk about the things that make us angry! It's a topic that most people are up for and it's something that they have an opinion on and they can't be told that they're wrong.
Hate is a different kettle of fish all together. I don't think that people really can hate other people, they can hate icons however, and that's what we do when we belittle or demean people enough that we stop seeing them as people and start thinking of them as ideas. It's one of the reasons why I try so hard to not to call Republicans 'Rethuglicans' or Secretary Clinton 'Camp Weather-vane' or George Bush "Chimp the lesser." One of my favorite Margaret Atwood stories, "Rape Fantasies," is about how (spoiler alert) we really can't hate people if we see them as people.
So to answer your question from your OP:
So is one candidate deserving of all the hate that is heaped upon them?
I don't think so. I have shit family members, these are people who have gone out of their way to hurt me. I may not love them, but I also don't hate them. I just feel sad for them that they have such a twisted view of the world. I feel the same way about the politicians that I don't support. I don't hate Secretary Clinton, I just don't agree with her and the direction that she wants to take the country. I don't hate Trump, I really don't know what he has planned for the country, I'm a firm believer that he'll turn out to be the more progressive candidate if he's matched up against Clinton, he's already moving left on some issues and I could see him 'evolving' as the general election heats up.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)This is a silly first question to start you DU return on.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)Greed. (This is older than the greed for sex or the greed for money.)
All we really need is love for everything. But, we tire of the work of being so dignified. We greedily simplify. We divide things individually, then into groups and ultimately into two groups:
Good things and bad things. Hyperbolized to Godly and Evil. We want to judge what is godliness and evil for our selves, rather than to live in the mind boggling totality where all things matter, no, just ourselves for ourselves (this is our greed).
Like two bookends, in a garden sits a proverbial tree of life separated by ever increasing compartmentalization leading finally to a tree of the knowledge of good and evil -- judgement. A judgement that is not our duty.
For as much as love is giving ones time talent and treasure for something, hate opposes some things for the greedy sake of rest giving ones time talent and treasure AGAINST something that will take coveted time, coveted talent and coveted treasure.
Some are more lost in their hatred than others. They prefer to live in judgement of others empowering themselves as the judge. They like it there.
All it takes is to enjoy that fruit of judgement... and all is lost. Getting back to loving all things takes a virtual rebirth.
Good luck.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)I just dislike and disagree with some views, tastes, opinions, actions, behaviors.
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)Beacool
(30,253 posts)Worthy of Free Republic or any other RW site. If anything, now that Sanders' chance of winning the nomination is almost zero, people have become even more vicious.