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floriduck

(2,262 posts)
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:46 PM May 2016

If only Hillary had showed some genuine remorse for her Iraq vote.

And if only Hillary had left well enough alone with Libya. And if she had a sincere populist bone in her body. Had she demonstrated these features when she announced her candidacy, we would have many, more Hillary supporters today, with little concern for the GOP and Mr Trump. And I believe had she done those things, Bernie Sanders would have been happy to support her then and never run against her.

She could have made life so much easier on herself. But that is not who she is or where we are. She has this sense of entitlement, as demonstrated by her unsecured server issues to avoid FOIA requests, her going behind President Obama's back (Sidney Blumenthal) and her scheme to create the Hillary Victory Fund before she even announced.

If we end up with a President a Trump, and I'm NOT voting for him, she can look back at how her prior decisions cost her any chance at the presidency.

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If only Hillary had showed some genuine remorse for her Iraq vote. (Original Post) floriduck May 2016 OP
If only Bernie had shown some genuine remorse for voting against the Amber alert system n/t Onlooker May 2016 #1
That's quite a comparison. You amaze me. floriduck May 2016 #4
I think it's desperation Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #19
If only he'd shown some remorse for dumping nuclear waste on a minority community. KittyWampus May 2016 #5
See above. How many lives were lost compared to Iraq and Libya? floriduck May 2016 #6
If you dont vote for the Dem nominee you ARE voting for Drumpf Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #2
I will vote for a Dem. floriduck May 2016 #3
UN-PERIOD farleftlib May 2016 #8
Your skill of math needs work. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #11
Bullshit. 99Forever May 2016 #22
If you dont vote for the dem, you ARE voting FOR the GOP....plain and simple Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #23
You don't "know" shit. 99Forever May 2016 #24
Plain and simple and why it makes some folks so mad, they know it is true. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #25
What actually makes people mad... Android3.14 May 2016 #31
What makes ME mad is people like YOU who are so arrogant that they think that they need to rescue politicaljunkie41910 May 2016 #41
Like I said, there's a part of you that knows. Android3.14 May 2016 #42
That's bad logic. hellofromreddit May 2016 #39
If only Sanders had shown some remorse for dropping the ball as Chair of Veterans Affairs Committee KittyWampus May 2016 #7
He admitted it was not as much as he wanted. Ask McCain the same. floriduck May 2016 #9
I can see I struck a nerve. The truth does hurt, huh? floriduck May 2016 #10
Eh, whining always gets people going Dem2 May 2016 #18
Well, I cannot vote for a Third Way hawk. djean111 May 2016 #12
Lets see we need to calculate your score: warmonger,insincere,entitled,elitist. Congrats BootinUp May 2016 #13
Stay in your bubble. floriduck May 2016 #33
If only Sanders hadn't protected gun manufacturers at the cost of 20K+ lives per year Fresh_Start May 2016 #14
Bernie made mistakes too. But his priorities have been consistent. floriduck May 2016 #27
Needs a definition for "genuine remorse" to establish a baseline for everyone. nt procon May 2016 #15
As in , if she meant it, why repeat yourself with Libya? floriduck May 2016 #28
Waah, she didn't pander to those who already hate her Dem2 May 2016 #16
no MFM008 May 2016 #17
I can't help you. She gathered support for Iraq from other Dems. floriduck May 2016 #30
All that Iraq nation building was good for business Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #20
Hillary has no genuine in her. 99Forever May 2016 #21
Hillary. Genuine. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #26
How do you know she didn't? scscholar May 2016 #29
See response 15. I can make that claim after she got Obama, against military advise to go floriduck May 2016 #32
But it is logical... scscholar May 2016 #35
The only thing Hillary has shown remorse for in the past decade is not beating Obama Attorney in Texas May 2016 #34
She may be remorseful but only because it cost her politically in 2008. Broward May 2016 #36
the MIC loving bernie who has voted for more war and death for the last 15 years is msongs May 2016 #37
Is SBS remorseful he said "Assad has to go" ? bettyellen May 2016 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc May 2016 #40

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
22. Bullshit.
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:37 PM
May 2016

Same kind of shit gets said by Teabaggers, "If you don't vote for tRump, you are voting for Clinton."

You are both lying.

Nobody, I repeat NO-FUCKING-BODY owns my vote. Including the neoliberal, corrupt interlopers who have stolen the Democratic Party. Get over yourself.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
23. If you dont vote for the dem, you ARE voting FOR the GOP....plain and simple
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:38 PM
May 2016

and I know why it makes you mad, the truth always does.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
25. Plain and simple and why it makes some folks so mad, they know it is true.
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:43 PM
May 2016

How you could for one MINUTE even ponder the idea of not doing everything in your human power to stop Drumpf, is beyond me.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
31. What actually makes people mad...
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:00 PM
May 2016

What actually makes people mad is seeing folks making a horrible-horrible mistake, seeing those same folks fail repeatedly to justify why they are making the mistake, and then watching them channel a smug adolescent girl trying to force her friends to make the same mistake.

Truth is, if you have any commonsense at all, even if you can ignore that common sense screaming in the background, all Clinton supporters sense the loose sand underneath their feet.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
41. What makes ME mad is people like YOU who are so arrogant that they think that they need to rescue
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:31 PM
May 2016

others like myself (who may disagree with you) from making a horrible-horrible mistake. Get over yourself. Your arrogance that millions of us who don't see things as you see them is pure bullcrap. We live in a democracy which allows us to see things differently and not be thrown in jail because we do. Who died and made you King? Who says that we must all view the world through your prism. Get over yourself.

 

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
39. That's bad logic.
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:33 PM
May 2016

If you're looking to change minds you should drop that line of argument and look for one more compelling.

November will get here soon, so no time to waste on ineffective reasoning.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
12. Well, I cannot vote for a Third Way hawk.
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:54 PM
May 2016

I would rather vote for someone with Democratic values. And if a Third Way hawk is now what embodies Democratic values, then I guess I must not be a Democrat. Simple as that.

BootinUp

(47,147 posts)
13. Lets see we need to calculate your score: warmonger,insincere,entitled,elitist. Congrats
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:57 PM
May 2016

Thats a 4 point score on the anti-Hillary scale.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
14. If only Sanders hadn't protected gun manufacturers at the cost of 20K+ lives per year
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:58 PM
May 2016

the issue for the lawsuit was that the manufacturers knowingly continued to distribute guns to the dealers which were highly linked to illegal gun sales....



http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/01/bernie-sanders-vote-gun-immunity-black-market

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
27. Bernie made mistakes too. But his priorities have been consistent.
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:57 PM
May 2016

Hillary has been all over the board since she entered the race. THAT IS WHY HER TRUST FACTOR IS SO DAMNED LOW,

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
28. As in , if she meant it, why repeat yourself with Libya?
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:59 PM
May 2016

She is what she is, a foreign policy hawk who could send our children or grandkids to the front lines.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
20. All that Iraq nation building was good for business
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:27 PM
May 2016

so Hillary said.

“It's time for the United States to start thinking of Iraq as a business opportunity," she said in a 2011 speech.

The quote was included in an email released by the State Department on Wednesday that specifically mentioned JPMorgan and Exxon Mobil. JPMorgan was selected by the U.S. government to run a key import-export bank in Iraq and in 2013 announced plans to expand its operations in the country. Exxon Mobil signed a deal to redevelop Iraqi oil fields. JPMorgan has collectively paid the Clintons and the Clinton Foundation at least $450,000 for speeches, and Exxon Mobil has donated over $1 million to the family’s foundation.

http://www.ibtimes.com/campaign-2016-hillary-clinton-pitched-iraq-business-opportunity-us-corporations-2121999

 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
29. How do you know she didn't?
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:59 PM
May 2016

Have you personally listened to everything she has said for all of the years since then? If not, then you can't logically make that claim.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
32. See response 15. I can make that claim after she got Obama, against military advise to go
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:02 PM
May 2016

into Libya. How many same mistakes can you have until it becomes a habit?

 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
35. But it is logical...
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:07 PM
May 2016

that if she regretted #1 after #15 then #15 could have still happened even though #1 was regretted. That's simple logic. You have NOTHING.

Broward

(1,976 posts)
36. She may be remorseful but only because it cost her politically in 2008.
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:23 PM
May 2016

That it didn't sink her forever reflects very poorly on Dem voters. Too many have lost their moral compass if they ever had one.

msongs

(67,405 posts)
37. the MIC loving bernie who has voted for more war and death for the last 15 years is
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:26 PM
May 2016

berating himself over his complicity?

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