2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf only Hillary had showed some genuine remorse for her Iraq vote.
And if only Hillary had left well enough alone with Libya. And if she had a sincere populist bone in her body. Had she demonstrated these features when she announced her candidacy, we would have many, more Hillary supporters today, with little concern for the GOP and Mr Trump. And I believe had she done those things, Bernie Sanders would have been happy to support her then and never run against her.
She could have made life so much easier on herself. But that is not who she is or where we are. She has this sense of entitlement, as demonstrated by her unsecured server issues to avoid FOIA requests, her going behind President Obama's back (Sidney Blumenthal) and her scheme to create the Hillary Victory Fund before she even announced.
If we end up with a President a Trump, and I'm NOT voting for him, she can look back at how her prior decisions cost her any chance at the presidency.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)PERIOD
floriduck
(2,262 posts)farleftlib
(2,125 posts)Not it's not. A vote is always for the person to whom it was cast and nobody else.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)0 - 0 does not = 1
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Same kind of shit gets said by Teabaggers, "If you don't vote for tRump, you are voting for Clinton."
You are both lying.
Nobody, I repeat NO-FUCKING-BODY owns my vote. Including the neoliberal, corrupt interlopers who have stolen the Democratic Party. Get over yourself.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)and I know why it makes you mad, the truth always does.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)You prove with every post you make.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)How you could for one MINUTE even ponder the idea of not doing everything in your human power to stop Drumpf, is beyond me.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)What actually makes people mad is seeing folks making a horrible-horrible mistake, seeing those same folks fail repeatedly to justify why they are making the mistake, and then watching them channel a smug adolescent girl trying to force her friends to make the same mistake.
Truth is, if you have any commonsense at all, even if you can ignore that common sense screaming in the background, all Clinton supporters sense the loose sand underneath their feet.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)others like myself (who may disagree with you) from making a horrible-horrible mistake. Get over yourself. Your arrogance that millions of us who don't see things as you see them is pure bullcrap. We live in a democracy which allows us to see things differently and not be thrown in jail because we do. Who died and made you King? Who says that we must all view the world through your prism. Get over yourself.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)You're not angry at me.
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)If you're looking to change minds you should drop that line of argument and look for one more compelling.
November will get here soon, so no time to waste on ineffective reasoning.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)keep it up, you have attracted a crowd!
djean111
(14,255 posts)I would rather vote for someone with Democratic values. And if a Third Way hawk is now what embodies Democratic values, then I guess I must not be a Democrat. Simple as that.
BootinUp
(47,147 posts)Thats a 4 point score on the anti-Hillary scale.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)the issue for the lawsuit was that the manufacturers knowingly continued to distribute guns to the dealers which were highly linked to illegal gun sales....
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/01/bernie-sanders-vote-gun-immunity-black-market
floriduck
(2,262 posts)Hillary has been all over the board since she entered the race. THAT IS WHY HER TRUST FACTOR IS SO DAMNED LOW,
procon
(15,805 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)She is what she is, a foreign policy hawk who could send our children or grandkids to the front lines.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)She's no fool.
She was lied to as was the world.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)so Hillary said.
It's time for the United States to start thinking of Iraq as a business opportunity," she said in a 2011 speech.
The quote was included in an email released by the State Department on Wednesday that specifically mentioned JPMorgan and Exxon Mobil. JPMorgan was selected by the U.S. government to run a key import-export bank in Iraq and in 2013 announced plans to expand its operations in the country. Exxon Mobil signed a deal to redevelop Iraqi oil fields. JPMorgan has collectively paid the Clintons and the Clinton Foundation at least $450,000 for speeches, and Exxon Mobil has donated over $1 million to the familys foundation.
http://www.ibtimes.com/campaign-2016-hillary-clinton-pitched-iraq-business-opportunity-us-corporations-2121999
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Pick one...
scscholar
(2,902 posts)Have you personally listened to everything she has said for all of the years since then? If not, then you can't logically make that claim.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)into Libya. How many same mistakes can you have until it becomes a habit?
scscholar
(2,902 posts)that if she regretted #1 after #15 then #15 could have still happened even though #1 was regretted. That's simple logic. You have NOTHING.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)That it didn't sink her forever reflects very poorly on Dem voters. Too many have lost their moral compass if they ever had one.
msongs
(67,405 posts)berating himself over his complicity?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Playboy interview in 2013.
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