Thu May 5, 2016, 06:46 PM
floriduck (2,262 posts)
If only Hillary had showed some genuine remorse for her Iraq vote.
And if only Hillary had left well enough alone with Libya. And if she had a sincere populist bone in her body. Had she demonstrated these features when she announced her candidacy, we would have many, more Hillary supporters today, with little concern for the GOP and Mr Trump. And I believe had she done those things, Bernie Sanders would have been happy to support her then and never run against her.
She could have made life so much easier on herself. But that is not who she is or where we are. She has this sense of entitlement, as demonstrated by her unsecured server issues to avoid FOIA requests, her going behind President Obama's back (Sidney Blumenthal) and her scheme to create the Hillary Victory Fund before she even announced. If we end up with a President a Trump, and I'm NOT voting for him, she can look back at how her prior decisions cost her any chance at the presidency.
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floriduck | May 2016 | OP |
Onlooker | May 2016 | #1 | |
floriduck | May 2016 | #4 | |
Rosa Luxemburg | May 2016 | #19 | |
KittyWampus | May 2016 | #5 | |
floriduck | May 2016 | #6 | |
Jackie Wilson Said | May 2016 | #2 | |
floriduck | May 2016 | #3 | |
farleftlib | May 2016 | #8 | |
Tierra_y_Libertad | May 2016 | #11 | |
99Forever | May 2016 | #22 | |
Jackie Wilson Said | May 2016 | #23 | |
99Forever | May 2016 | #24 | |
Jackie Wilson Said | May 2016 | #25 | |
Android3.14 | May 2016 | #31 | |
politicaljunkie41910 | May 2016 | #41 | |
Android3.14 | May 2016 | #42 | |
hellofromreddit | May 2016 | #39 | |
KittyWampus | May 2016 | #7 | |
floriduck | May 2016 | #9 | |
floriduck | May 2016 | #10 | |
Dem2 | May 2016 | #18 | |
djean111 | May 2016 | #12 | |
BootinUp | May 2016 | #13 | |
floriduck | May 2016 | #33 | |
Fresh_Start | May 2016 | #14 | |
floriduck | May 2016 | #27 | |
procon | May 2016 | #15 | |
floriduck | May 2016 | #28 | |
Dem2 | May 2016 | #16 | |
MFM008 | May 2016 | #17 | |
floriduck | May 2016 | #30 | |
Rosa Luxemburg | May 2016 | #20 | |
99Forever | May 2016 | #21 | |
Lizzie Poppet | May 2016 | #26 | |
scscholar | May 2016 | #29 | |
floriduck | May 2016 | #32 | |
scscholar | May 2016 | #35 | |
Attorney in Texas | May 2016 | #34 | |
Broward | May 2016 | #36 | |
msongs | May 2016 | #37 | |
bettyellen | May 2016 | #38 | |
Corruption Inc | May 2016 | #40 |
Response to floriduck (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:48 PM
Onlooker (5,636 posts)
1. If only Bernie had shown some genuine remorse for voting against the Amber alert system n/t
Response to Onlooker (Reply #1)
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:50 PM
floriduck (2,262 posts)
4. That's quite a comparison. You amaze me.
Response to floriduck (Reply #4)
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:26 PM
Rosa Luxemburg (28,627 posts)
19. I think it's desperation
Response to Onlooker (Reply #1)
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:50 PM
KittyWampus (55,894 posts)
5. If only he'd shown some remorse for dumping nuclear waste on a minority community.
Response to KittyWampus (Reply #5)
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:51 PM
floriduck (2,262 posts)
6. See above. How many lives were lost compared to Iraq and Libya?
Response to floriduck (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:48 PM
Jackie Wilson Said (4,176 posts)
2. If you dont vote for the Dem nominee you ARE voting for Drumpf
PERIOD
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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #2)
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:49 PM
floriduck (2,262 posts)
3. I will vote for a Dem.
Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #2)
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:51 PM
farleftlib (2,125 posts)
8. UN-PERIOD
Not it's not. A vote is always for the person to whom it was cast and nobody else.
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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #2)
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:54 PM
Tierra_y_Libertad (50,414 posts)
11. Your skill of math needs work.
0 - 0 does not = 1
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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #2)
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:37 PM
99Forever (14,524 posts)
22. Bullshit.
Same kind of shit gets said by Teabaggers, "If you don't vote for tRump, you are voting for Clinton."
You are both lying. Nobody, I repeat NO-FUCKING-BODY owns my vote. Including the neoliberal, corrupt interlopers who have stolen the Democratic Party. Get over yourself. |
Response to 99Forever (Reply #22)
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:38 PM
Jackie Wilson Said (4,176 posts)
23. If you dont vote for the dem, you ARE voting FOR the GOP....plain and simple
and I know why it makes you mad, the truth always does.
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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #23)
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:42 PM
99Forever (14,524 posts)
24. You don't "know" shit.
You prove with every post you make.
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Response to 99Forever (Reply #24)
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:43 PM
Jackie Wilson Said (4,176 posts)
25. Plain and simple and why it makes some folks so mad, they know it is true.
How you could for one MINUTE even ponder the idea of not doing everything in your human power to stop Drumpf, is beyond me.
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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #25)
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:00 PM
Android3.14 (5,402 posts)
31. What actually makes people mad...
What actually makes people mad is seeing folks making a horrible-horrible mistake, seeing those same folks fail repeatedly to justify why they are making the mistake, and then watching them channel a smug adolescent girl trying to force her friends to make the same mistake.
Truth is, if you have any commonsense at all, even if you can ignore that common sense screaming in the background, all Clinton supporters sense the loose sand underneath their feet. |
Response to Android3.14 (Reply #31)
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:31 PM
politicaljunkie41910 (3,335 posts)
41. What makes ME mad is people like YOU who are so arrogant that they think that they need to rescue
others like myself (who may disagree with you) from making a horrible-horrible mistake. Get over yourself. Your arrogance that millions of us who don't see things as you see them is pure bullcrap. We live in a democracy which allows us to see things differently and not be thrown in jail because we do. Who died and made you King? Who says that we must all view the world through your prism. Get over yourself.
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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Reply #41)
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:15 PM
Android3.14 (5,402 posts)
42. Like I said, there's a part of you that knows.
You're not angry at me.
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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #2)
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:33 PM
hellofromreddit (1,182 posts)
39. That's bad logic.
If you're looking to change minds you should drop that line of argument and look for one more compelling.
November will get here soon, so no time to waste on ineffective reasoning. |
Response to floriduck (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:51 PM
KittyWampus (55,894 posts)
7. If only Sanders had shown some remorse for dropping the ball as Chair of Veterans Affairs Committee
Response to KittyWampus (Reply #7)
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:52 PM
floriduck (2,262 posts)
9. He admitted it was not as much as he wanted. Ask McCain the same.
Response to floriduck (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:53 PM
floriduck (2,262 posts)
10. I can see I struck a nerve. The truth does hurt, huh?
Response to floriduck (Reply #10)
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:25 PM
Dem2 (8,164 posts)
18. Eh, whining always gets people going
keep it up, you have attracted a crowd!
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Response to floriduck (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:54 PM
djean111 (14,255 posts)
12. Well, I cannot vote for a Third Way hawk.
I would rather vote for someone with Democratic values. And if a Third Way hawk is now what embodies Democratic values, then I guess I must not be a Democrat. Simple as that.
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Response to floriduck (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:57 PM
BootinUp (45,007 posts)
13. Lets see we need to calculate your score: warmonger,insincere,entitled,elitist. Congrats
Thats a 4 point score on the anti-Hillary scale.
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Response to BootinUp (Reply #13)
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:03 PM
floriduck (2,262 posts)
33. Stay in your bubble.
Response to floriduck (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:58 PM
Fresh_Start (11,327 posts)
14. If only Sanders hadn't protected gun manufacturers at the cost of 20K+ lives per year
the issue for the lawsuit was that the manufacturers knowingly continued to distribute guns to the dealers which were highly linked to illegal gun sales....
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/01/bernie-sanders-vote-gun-immunity-black-market |
Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #14)
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:57 PM
floriduck (2,262 posts)
27. Bernie made mistakes too. But his priorities have been consistent.
Hillary has been all over the board since she entered the race. THAT IS WHY HER TRUST FACTOR IS SO DAMNED LOW,
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Response to floriduck (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:20 PM
procon (15,805 posts)
15. Needs a definition for "genuine remorse" to establish a baseline for everyone. nt
Response to procon (Reply #15)
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:59 PM
floriduck (2,262 posts)
28. As in , if she meant it, why repeat yourself with Libya?
She is what she is, a foreign policy hawk who could send our children or grandkids to the front lines.
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Response to floriduck (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:21 PM
Dem2 (8,164 posts)
16. Waah, she didn't pander to those who already hate her
She's no fool.
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Response to floriduck (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:22 PM
MFM008 (19,727 posts)
17. no
She was lied to as was the world.
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Response to MFM008 (Reply #17)
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:00 PM
floriduck (2,262 posts)
30. I can't help you. She gathered support for Iraq from other Dems.
Response to floriduck (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:27 PM
Rosa Luxemburg (28,627 posts)
20. All that Iraq nation building was good for business
so Hillary said.
“It's time for the United States to start thinking of Iraq as a business opportunity," she said in a 2011 speech. The quote was included in an email released by the State Department on Wednesday that specifically mentioned JPMorgan and Exxon Mobil. JPMorgan was selected by the U.S. government to run a key import-export bank in Iraq and in 2013 announced plans to expand its operations in the country. Exxon Mobil signed a deal to redevelop Iraqi oil fields. JPMorgan has collectively paid the Clintons and the Clinton Foundation at least $450,000 for speeches, and Exxon Mobil has donated over $1 million to the family’s foundation. http://www.ibtimes.com/campaign-2016-hillary-clinton-pitched-iraq-business-opportunity-us-corporations-2121999 |
Response to floriduck (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:31 PM
99Forever (14,524 posts)
21. Hillary has no genuine in her.
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Response to floriduck (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:43 PM
Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)
26. Hillary. Genuine.
Pick one...
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Response to floriduck (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:59 PM
scscholar (2,902 posts)
29. How do you know she didn't?
Have you personally listened to everything she has said for all of the years since then? If not, then you can't logically make that claim.
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Response to scscholar (Reply #29)
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:02 PM
floriduck (2,262 posts)
32. See response 15. I can make that claim after she got Obama, against military advise to go
into Libya. How many same mistakes can you have until it becomes a habit?
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Response to floriduck (Reply #32)
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:07 PM
scscholar (2,902 posts)
35. But it is logical...
that if she regretted #1 after #15 then #15 could have still happened even though #1 was regretted. That's simple logic. You have NOTHING.
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Response to floriduck (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:05 PM
Attorney in Texas (3,373 posts)
34. The only thing Hillary has shown remorse for in the past decade is not beating Obama
Response to floriduck (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:23 PM
Broward (1,976 posts)
36. She may be remorseful but only because it cost her politically in 2008.
That it didn't sink her forever reflects very poorly on Dem voters. Too many have lost their moral compass if they ever had one.
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Response to floriduck (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:26 PM
msongs (66,219 posts)
37. the MIC loving bernie who has voted for more war and death for the last 15 years is
berating himself over his complicity?
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Response to floriduck (Original post)
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:28 PM
bettyellen (47,209 posts)
38. Is SBS remorseful he said "Assad has to go" ?
Playboy interview in 2013.
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Response to floriduck (Original post)
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