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[Biaviians]

18. The gentleman goes by Bernie haha As intended, no one would or ever could possibly heil a Bernie!

[BootinUp]

23. Ok, I admit I know next to zip of German language.

[TM99]

30. Classy making a Nazi

joke about a Jewish man who lost family in the Holocaust.

You might want to rethink your post.

[mountain grammy]

36. +1

Beyond nasty.

[BootinUp]

37. Fine. But the OP is still deserves ridicule.

For its lock step thinking.

[TM99]

41. Well you begrudgingly deleted it

so that is something.

How about you 'ridicule' the OP instead of making posts bordering on Anti-Semitism next time.

[BootinUp]

49. I was not criticizing the candidate with that post

nor was I criticizing anybody for their race. I don't want to post something that could be construed wrongly, thats why I deleted it.

[pangaia]

42. No it does not.

It is truth.

[JudyM]

72. Sometimes lock step thinking is generated by self-evident truths.

[Gothmog]

2. Why should anyone care if they meet your artificial definition of who is a progressive?

[bobbobbins01]

6. Kinda like when people say Bernie isn't a true Democrat.

Labels are just ways to discriminate. Everyone should choose their candidate based on platform and principle. Anything else is unscrupulous.

[rhett o rick]

12. Well if you don't agree with his/her definition, let us know your definition. nm

[ChisolmTrailDem]

3. I agree and you're right, they are not progressives. We know who they are. nt

[nc4bo]

4. Republicans can be "progressive" too or so that's what they told us way back when.nt

[Tiggeroshii]

33. Progressivism started with Teddy, but FDR took the mantle a bit later -when clearly nobody had it.

Regardless, it's not about the party it's about the person. Calling yourself a progressive and voting for Hillary is like calling yourself a liberal and voting for Pat Buchanan. It is a contradiction in terms and an absurdity, because it is obvious what each candidate stands for.

[deathrind]

5. Well said and very true. 🍻

[JudyM]

74. +1. Nail on the head. Now there *is* a choice. Now all becomes clear.

[madaboutharry]

7. So you get to define people?

I don't think so. Trying to tell people who they are never works out well.

[Tiggeroshii]

10. Your actions define you. Not your words.

[rhett o rick]

19. Well you don't give us much substance. Do you think Clinton is progressive?

As progressive and Sanders and Warren? I notice you guys like to be critical but not very often give your position, and "my position is whatever the hell Clinton's position is."

[redstateblues]

8. Sorry-No one appointed you to decide who gets to be called "progressive"

Even Bernie has stands on issues that are not what you and the Purity Party have defined as "progressive". This starts to sound like the rigid thinking that goes on in the hard right.

[rhett o rick]

22. Lots of you being critical of the OP's definition of progressive but not one

of you have enough spunk to give your own definition. Easy to criticize but too hard to express where you stand. Do you think Clinton is progressive? As progressive as Sanders and Warren?

[dubyadiprecession]

9. A BS supporter saying," lets be clear"???...

[rhett o rick]

25. And a newbie Clinton fan.

Sorry but full ignore for you.

[Tanuki]

38. That "newbie" has been here since 2002, fyi. eom

[rhett o rick]

39. LOL. As if we don't know that trick.

[Broward]

11. Not only are they not progressive,

but if you are backing her because of her policies you fall on the right side of the political spectrum.

[Thinkingabout]

13. Let's put it very simply, I am a Democrat, Hillary is a Democrat, whether you want to label Hillary

A progressive or not does not change the fact she is a progressive and one who gets things done. Is she far left, no, nor do I want her to be far left, she is a hard core liberal. I will be voting for a Democrat who is a progressive and hard core liberal, Hillary.

[nc4bo]

21. Hard core. Liberal. Hillary?

[TCJ70]

24. What is it like to be able to write off someone's entire history like that?

I wish I had those rose colored lenses...

[bvf]

40. Rose-colored?

Painted black is more like it.

But I see your point.

[Tiggeroshii]

47. Like support for the Iraq war,Payday loans, support for fracking and less environmental regulations?

How about raising money from the GOP? Rupert Murdoch? The NRA? The problem is denial of her history, not so much writing it off.

[Waiting For Everyman]

60. So progressive that she's wooing Repubs with her "shared values" right now!

This is how "progressive" Hillary is, she's a Goldwater Girl through and through:

Hillary forces target Bush donors, Their message to moderate Republicans: She represents your values better than Trump
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511907828

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/hilary-clinton-bush-donors-222872

Denying it doesn't change the reality of that.

And "getting things done"? How do you know more wouldn't have been done WITHOUT her "help" in blunting or watering down programs? It's entirely possible that she has hamstrung every effort she worked on. Not that she would be the only Dem doing that, it's the Third Way m.o.

[CherokeeDem]

14. Sorry....

Your labels do not mean a thing to me.

I am a progressive and I will vote for whom I choose.

[rhett o rick]

28. Are you as progressive as Sanders and Warren? Or do you approve of

the Iraq War? I agree with the OP. You are not progressive if you support Goldman-Sachs over helping those in poverty.

[CherokeeDem]

46. Again...

No one gets to decide who I am and what I stand for.

The presumption of superiority on display by numerous Sanders supporters is disgusting.

Support of Sanders does not make anyone more progressive than anyone else.

[Tiggeroshii]

53. You can call yourself whatever you want. But your actions speak loud and clear.

She supports fracking, supports free trade and lower wages. Served on the board of wal-mart and supports corporate welfare and wall street greed.



It isn't a bad thing to not be progressive, you can still be a proud liberal. But support for somebody who has stood for everything that progressives fight against every day is a walking contradiction if you are a progressive. It's cool. I claim to hate macademia nuts, but for some reason can't keep it out of my face when somebody offers them. It is what it is, and the reality speaks louder than whatever label anybody wants to give anybody.

[CherokeeDem]

63. Let me say this one more time...

By attempting to define Clinton supporters as inferior to Sanders supporters - because we all know what Bernie's chosen ones believe in is the holy grail- said Sanders supporters are beginning to look quite ridiculous.

Ya'll can stop this right now. I'm voting for Hillary. No amount of attempting to shame me or call me names or tell me I'm not a good enough Democrat is going to work.

Besides... I'm voting for the REGISTERED Democrat in this race... not someone who took advantage of the Democratic Party (and before you yell... I was against allowing him to run as a Democrat from the beginning).

So all the Sanders supporters can call us anything you want... lord knows, it must make you feel better.

[Dem2]

15. OK

Your post is significant and nobody has ever said similar.

[joshcryer]

16. This applies to Sanders as well.

If you actually believe the divisive nonsense.

[rhett o rick]

32. Why don't you guys admit that you like Clinton because

she isn't progressive. She likes Wall Street domination, she likes a very hawkish foreign policy that has the neocons frothing at the mouth, she like tough drug laws and her Prisons For Profits, she like the Patriot Act and indefinite detention. These are the things you like about her. But they aint progressive.

[joshcryer]

44. I like Sanders and Clinton.

And I know Sanders will support Clinton.

[2banon]

45. This!^^^^^^10000!

[redstateblues]

61. Your progressive hero will endorse Hillary

Start getting used to it-it's coming

[BootinUp]

77. +1

[uponit7771]

68. lofl, the temper tantrums are getting cuter ... coochy coochy coo

[uponit7771]

65. +1

[uponit7771]

17. sanctimonious much?

[SidDithers]

20. Awww...

Sid

[ViseGrip]

26. They are reaching out to Bush donors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nc4bo]

29. Everything ya need to know in one short sentence! nt

[rhett o rick]

35. The Oligarchy wants Clinton. nm

[bettyellen]

57. The RWers have never fought anyone as long or as hard as HRC, and they still hate her.

You may have swallowed their bullshit whole, but most liberals have not. You tell yourself what you need to survive with your ego intact, but SBS has never even been on their radar because he is a non-starter. They would love to have him running as the Dem nominee as much as you would. Strange bed fellows you got there.

[Waiting For Everyman]

64. RWers hate her, yes indeed! But oligarchs just love Hillary!

That's why they pay her so well.

[bettyellen]

66. Loligarchs. It's like you all learned a new word and can't help using it at every opportunity.

It's adorable.

[Waiting For Everyman]

69. Ok then, "plutocrats", how's that?

Lots of ways to phrase the same thought. I've got more words for it...

[Waiting For Everyman]

67. Link to article: "Hillary forces target Bush donors"

"Hillary forces target Bush donors: Their message to moderate Republicans: She represents your values better than Trump."

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/hilary-clinton-bush-donors-222872

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511907828

[fun n serious]

27. Go Hillary!

To the white house!

[Sheepshank]

31. Those who would judge where progressivism begins and ends

...completely and totally suck, and in turn are absolutely not the type of progressive I could ever, ever listen to or assume they have a valid opinion. So there is that.

[Tiggeroshii]

43. The history of progressivism is standing up for the poor, underprivileged and the environment

...against corporate greed and oligarchy. If a candidate insists on representing the same corporate greed that progressivism has fought since the beginning, how can you call her a progressive?

Hillary claims Bernie is no Democrat because he isn't registered as one. Hillary claims to be a progressive but not once declared membership in the progressive caucus during her tenure as Senator. Why? Because she isn't one.

[Sheepshank]

48. Nope... You don't get to decide where progressivism is the defining factory for the Dem party

And then Apply that misnomer.....to more than half of registered Dems in the Nation?

At one point in history, the Dems were more like the Reps and the Reps were more like the Dems. Those long ago Republicans cared about Unions, and the poor etc. Read the history. You pick one moment in time and decide that is the be all end all of the Democratic Party? Fuck that shit.

[Tiggeroshii]

56. Why do you think I'm the one doing this? Progressivism is a set of actions to address a problem

One candidate running for our party nomination is in favor of replicating those actions with our time, and the other candidate is not. It's not some abstract word people use to define themselves as timely. It's an actual term that has a historical foundation. It's not about party, it's about what people who are elected do.

[obamanut2012]

34. tl;dr version: lolz

[GulfCoast66]

50. You should change your DU name

To Daniel Webster since you have the amazing ability to define the meanings of words.

[Starry Messenger]

51. Time for a nap.

[Recursion]

52. What sanctimonious nonsense

[thebeautifulstruggle]

71. And you don't realize that your corporatist DNC and candidate

are why Democrats are losing elections and seats everywhere but the WH....thankfully for them, Republicans have alienated so many that they are getting away with it

i guarantee any whippersnapper shares your same liberal passions, it's unfortunate that you don't share the same passion of those who see the true threat to our democracy is the big money that infiltrates both parties and allows for complete dysfunction, where our leaders don't represent and do what's best for the people.

[cheapdate]

55. Let's be clear,

I oppose 100% of the politics of the Republican Party and I'll do anything and everything I can to weaken or deny them power.

I don't give a crap about any labels.

[CobaltBlue]

58. To be frank…

The OP conveyed much of what I think to a point at which I which I am not needing to add anything more.

I will say this: I don’t trust the Republican Party. And, now, I also don’t trust the Democratic Party.


It really is no wonder the growing trend of self-identified independents now outnumber self-identified Republicans and self-identified Democrats.

[thebeautifulstruggle]

59. i agree 100% with the OP

Social issues aren't "progressive" as part of the Democratic Party anymore....every D candidate has the same general platform on social issues, and you will get that with either candidate....whether they are come lately, or have had the courage of those convictions for decades now

It's the economic issues and political influence that are at the center of almost all of the ills facing our democracy, including social issues

Supporting a candidate that represents those who want to maintain status quo economics and political influence is completely at odds with what progressivism is about at this point in history.

[Eko]

62. Sorry, not true at all.

Take a step back, a deep breath and relax, a lot.

[demosincebirth]

70. I'm a Democrat and I will support Clinton or Sanders if he was to be nominated!

[Tarc]

75. I am progressive and I support Hillary

Something you're going to do about that?

[Waiting For Everyman]

76. You're right, and there's a term for it.

Hidden agenda.

One of those is behind every pseudo-progressive. Usually the hidden agenda is some self-serving hypocrisy -- along the lines of: I've got mine, screw you... which of course is the typical Repub mindset, except that they want to be identified as social justice warriors at the same time.

They're fooling nobody but themselves.