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Fri May 6, 2016, 07:06 AM

Democratic party insists on maintaining suicide pact with Republican party

Barney Fucking Frank has been named chair of the rules committee. A fucking banker will be writing the party platform.




At one time I had hoped the party could be reformed from within, but by 2018 I expect the Sanders movement to have established a third party, of which I will become a member.

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Reply Democratic party insists on maintaining suicide pact with Republican party (Original post)
FlatBaroque May 2016 OP
merrily May 2016 #1
pipoman May 2016 #3
merrily May 2016 #5
pipoman May 2016 #2
merrily May 2016 #4
disillusioned73 May 2016 #11
merrily May 2016 #15
FlatBaroque May 2016 #7
vintx May 2016 #8
Califonz May 2016 #6
JaneyVee May 2016 #9
disillusioned73 May 2016 #10
merrily May 2016 #12
FlatBaroque May 2016 #13
merrily May 2016 #14
FlatBaroque May 2016 #17
merrily May 2016 #18
VulgarPoet May 2016 #16
FlatBaroque May 2016 #19

Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 07:18 AM

1. IF there is enough will to establish a viable so called "third" party, there should be

enough will to take control of the Green Party and make it viable. It's already on the ballot in most states and has (some) name recognition (very costly to build overnight) and is the only "third" party in the US with an international affiliation. However, I have my doubts about the ability of the left to unify sufficiently to make any "third" party viable.

https://ballotpedia.org/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States

https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_for_major_and_minor_party_candidates

The minute there's a dime's worth of difference, the left wants to start a new party--and run for President, not town council.

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Response to merrily (Reply #1)

Fri May 6, 2016, 07:26 AM

3. Taking control of the green party to make it viable

 

Is a bit like that local building that has had 10 restaurants in it in the last 5 years. ...why would a new Benie party want to waste time overcoming green's baggage, redefine what green is, and overcome years of failure?

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Response to pipoman (Reply #3)

Fri May 6, 2016, 07:28 AM

5. My prior post said why. Sorry if it was not clear.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 07:21 AM

2. That is a bit disingenuous...calling Barney Frank a banker

 

Is like calling Hillary a lawyer....he's been a pro politician since the early 1970's...

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Response to pipoman (Reply #2)

Fri May 6, 2016, 07:27 AM

4. Remind me where Frank is working now?

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Response to merrily (Reply #4)

Fri May 6, 2016, 08:08 AM

11. Ding..

 

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #11)

Fri May 6, 2016, 09:05 AM

15. Well, it was a "slink." Lately, when I say "link or slink" some posters actually have had the crust

to do neither. DU used to be better than that.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #2)

Fri May 6, 2016, 07:44 AM

8. What?

 

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 07:32 AM

6. Every time Barney Frank is on tv

 

Trump gets 10,000 more votes

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 07:44 AM

9. OH NOEZ A BANKER!

 

You guys are hilarious.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 08:07 AM

10. Ultimately..

 

I think that's what they want (the establishment).. it will become next to impossible to overtake them once they can marginalize us to a "tea party" contingent.. I say primary from within like DWS is about to face, keep pulling all together to the left.. we need more people to become aware of the issues at hand - unfortunately even at this point the vast majority are still in the dark on the issues that the party is facing.. their just lazy voters that go with the flow - that flow must be disrupted (from within).

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #10)

Fri May 6, 2016, 08:14 AM

12. It has been going in that direction for a while. Marginalize "the left of the left" and the "right

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of the right," with relative confidence that those two groups will not join with each other and meld the center right of both parties into one. It's party realignment time.

I think the two groups can, however, join around issues like fracking, if we can ever get out from other the demonization and brainwashing and help each other out of same.

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Response to merrily (Reply #12)

Fri May 6, 2016, 08:45 AM

13. I no longer consider Republicans as my opponents

My opponents, my enemies, and the people who are the greatest impediment to progressive change are the constituency that is represented by Hillary Clinton. I believe we will find common cause with the disaffected right.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #13)

Fri May 6, 2016, 08:57 AM

14. Common causes as opposed to common cause.

I don't think the people in Flint fought that crap water on the basis of Republican or Democrat, left versus right. And the people who fought it had a lot more in common with each other than they did with the rich and/or powerful.

Cause by cause is how we have to start. No, how we have to start is what I've been trying to do on DU since I joined, without ever having framed it that way: we have to start telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Example of not telling the truth: Pretending everything bad came from Republicans and only Republicans.

Example of telling the truth: showing it was both parties. See, for example, this article by Pierce and my two replies on that thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7809894

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7809899

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7809902

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Response to merrily (Reply #14)

Fri May 6, 2016, 09:22 AM

17. Merrily, I am proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with you.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #17)

Fri May 6, 2016, 09:24 AM

18. Thank you! That is so nice. I am proud to stand with you and all real Sanders supporters.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #13)

Fri May 6, 2016, 09:07 AM

16. Like I've said, this isn't a war of political parties anymore. This is a class war.

I know who my enemies are.

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Response to VulgarPoet (Reply #16)

Fri May 6, 2016, 09:53 AM

19. It is, but the class that helps the oligarchy maintain power

is the class that has to start to understand the consequences of the neoliberal mindset of war and wealth extraction. The enabling class, that is a bit more amorphous making them more difficult to identify. Observe the DU community, there is a group of people, the board enforcers (bullies) whose sole purpose is to viciously attack, often as a gang, policy positions that were the main planks of Democratic platforms. These enforcers do the bidding of the .01%. But they call themselves Democrats. That's why the D and R labels have become practically meaningless.

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