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So Bernie people. What are you going to do when Hillary gets nominated??? (Original Post) Gomez163 May 2016 OP
Of course vote for Hillary kimbutgar May 2016 #1
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #2
+1 SheenaR May 2016 #3
+2 casperthegm May 2016 #4
+3. n/t bvf May 2016 #10
+4 n/t kayakjohnny May 2016 #11
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #16
+6 exactly my thoughts. JonLeibowitz May 2016 #27
+7 And hope her supporters don't forget to screenshot this, too! ebayfool May 2016 #46
+8 broiles May 2016 #50
+9 nt m-lekktor May 2016 #55
+10 Shadowflash May 2016 #73
+11 nt Jemmons May 2016 #77
+12 840high May 2016 #85
+ lucky 13 redwitch May 2016 #107
- unlucky 14 n/t Jeffersons Ghost May 2016 #124
+15 bvf May 2016 #129
+16 nt Live and Learn May 2016 #130
+5 Amaril May 2016 #54
That is my business and no one else's n/t michaz May 2016 #5
Living in a deep blue state, thankfully I won't have to. JeffHead May 2016 #6
No. Kall May 2016 #7
Hope you get banned Logical May 2016 #135
That's what she did. Kall May 2016 #136
Nothin'. We won't be needed then, anyway. TheCowsCameHome May 2016 #8
YES!!!! shireen May 2016 #9
Here's the architectural rendering of it. greatauntoftriplets May 2016 #19
LOL! shireen May 2016 #48
Omigod, that's too funny! CaliforniaPeggy May 2016 #76
We don't need to do anything. Not a thing. She's inevitable rememeber? Katashi_itto May 2016 #12
If by "support" you mean donate or work for her or even post positively about her on Facebook, Arugula Latte May 2016 #13
I couldn't have said it better Shadowflash May 2016 #74
I agree. Whether I vote for Hillary depends largely on factors that are still unknown. If you are in Attorney in Texas May 2016 #93
That's a good question. Arugula Latte May 2016 #117
I will vote for whichever candidate espouses views closer to my own BOSNYCDC May 2016 #14
Yet another request to sign the loyalty oath. SheilaT May 2016 #15
Where are your papers? Human101948 May 2016 #81
Huh? While I know that scene, SheilaT May 2016 #94
One has to prove that you are a loyal party member... Human101948 May 2016 #95
Okay. Thanks for the clarification. SheilaT May 2016 #98
I will vote against Trump. Vinca May 2016 #17
Yes,of course! nt Dale Neiburg May 2016 #18
I support her running if she wins the nomination and will vote my conscience. aikoaiko May 2016 #20
Nope. NV Whino May 2016 #21
Apparently be treated to watching you gloat. cliffordu May 2016 #22
Hey cliff SwampG8r May 2016 #26
HEY! How are ya?????? cliffordu May 2016 #35
Still dodgin the ban hammer SwampG8r May 2016 #96
I'm alright- sobered up again cliffordu May 2016 #101
Your vision is clear SwampG8r May 2016 #113
Thank you my friend- cliffordu May 2016 #146
None of your beeswax cali May 2016 #23
Yes i will, trump is too scary. And scotus matters. Nt Logical May 2016 #24
That's it in a nutshell oberliner May 2016 #44
Her supporters have burned the bridges SwampG8r May 2016 #25
Why does she need my support? She is already scouting for support from elite GOP donors JonLeibowitz May 2016 #28
She does not need us to do anything. oldandhappy May 2016 #29
This is DEMOCRATIC underground. Else You Are Mad May 2016 #30
It's a shame she acts more like a Republican, though. Arugula Latte May 2016 #63
She isn't my preferred choice. Else You Are Mad May 2016 #66
Hillary to Bush donors:"I share your values". HooptieWagon May 2016 #31
Nader 2016 JonathanRackham May 2016 #32
I haven't decided, but you'd be wise not to take my vote for granted The Blue Flower May 2016 #33
Nothing Avalon Sparks May 2016 #34
None of your business Gomez LaurenG May 2016 #36
Yep. Turin_C3PO May 2016 #37
They'll yell at windmills rusty fender May 2016 #38
Leave DU. At least in the short term Shadowflash May 2016 #39
I heard a great explanation why we should all vote for Hillary in Nov.. if she's nominated. napi21 May 2016 #40
Beautifully said. I appreciate this more than you know. LaurenG May 2016 #75
That strikes me as a shallow, short sighted and incredibly stupid argument. Jemmons May 2016 #88
I much prefer 40 years of Democratic rule than ANY time at all of Trump. napi21 May 2016 #115
You actually failed to either understand or answer the question Jemmons May 2016 #143
What would it take to convince you that your proposed path was leading nowhere? BzaDem May 2016 #147
No NorthCarolina May 2016 #41
This....or That Armstead May 2016 #42
No. The "lesser of two evils" meme has lost its bite. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #43
not really DonCoquixote May 2016 #87
Neener-neeners do not become us. n/t Orsino May 2016 #45
Probably vote for her. bluedigger May 2016 #47
I am not a registered democrat and little debbie says I should STFU, the democratic nominee is none Autumn May 2016 #49
First, Plan to catch up on "The Walking Dead" Katashi_itto May 2016 #51
Nice reminder.... Jemmons May 2016 #82
Love it!! Enjoy them every chance....thanks for the smile that put on my face. haikugal May 2016 #92
I'll go back to the green party.... mike_c May 2016 #52
Because if you don't we lose all the gains we had under Obama. Gomez163 May 2016 #53
You might want to tell DWS that. She's the one who said non registered democrats Autumn May 2016 #56
I'd need a positive reason to support her, JPnoodleman May 2016 #57
Just put it in the warsh. Gomez163 May 2016 #58
Its going to take a lot to get those blood stains out.... JPnoodleman May 2016 #62
So if people lose their health care that won't matter to you??? Gomez163 May 2016 #67
Is Trump a dictator? JPnoodleman May 2016 #70
sophistry at its best. Gomez163 May 2016 #71
Note I said positive reasons... JPnoodleman May 2016 #72
cluster bombs. nt redwitch May 2016 #108
Good analogy. ebayfool May 2016 #60
Getting your list ready, are you? Amaril May 2016 #59
No icecreamfan May 2016 #61
Get ready for more war, see more social safety programs being discarded. Seeing wall street fat cats insta8er May 2016 #64
I can't tell... rbnyc May 2016 #90
I'll vote for her Bettie May 2016 #65
Anyone who respects Bernie Sanders will follow his recommendation of who to support (nt) Nye Bevan May 2016 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #112
He already has Demsrule86 May 2016 #69
If she get's nominated I imagine still reading "loyalty oath" posts. n/t That Guy 888 May 2016 #78
Vote for her apcalc May 2016 #79
Trick question in my mind. I won't not support her on this board, however, not everyone silvershadow May 2016 #80
Work like mad on down-ticket races to give her a hostilely-progressive Democratic Congress ASAP. Chan790 May 2016 #83
^ This post speaks for me. bigwillq May 2016 #100
Beautiful. Dr. Strange May 2016 #125
I plan on playing Fallout 4. DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #84
No vote for me flobee1 May 2016 #86
No. rbnyc May 2016 #89
Amen Rass May 2016 #137
If she is nominated, I'll consider her running-mate, the party platform, the reform of the party Attorney in Texas May 2016 #91
I certainly won't vote for Trump. John Poet May 2016 #97
Buy stock in Orville Reddenbacher. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #99
It's a secret ballot Duckhunter935 May 2016 #102
Oh my another one. bkkyosemite May 2016 #103
Start working for Elizabeth Warren the day after the election ghostsinthemachine May 2016 #104
I'm not worried about Trump becoming president Urchin May 2016 #105
Absolutely. No other option. dinkytron May 2016 #106
I will vote for the nominee that offers single payer healthcare, coffeeAM May 2016 #109
Can't answer now. When (if) she gets nom she has a number of months to Nanjeanne May 2016 #110
Whatever I feel like doing, like always. timmymoff May 2016 #111
I've mentioned many times... Xyzse May 2016 #114
Considering too many of the replies here, they're going to support Trump. baldguy May 2016 #116
Would you care to point to specific posts here bvf May 2016 #118
This post was hidden by jury decision, +1 +2 +3 +4 ... baldguy May 2016 #119
You've just now accused 13 DUers of supporting Trump. bvf May 2016 #120
Shoe fits. baldguy May 2016 #121
Sure does, just not in the way you think. bvf May 2016 #122
That's exactly something a Trump supporter would say baldguy May 2016 #148
Exactly wtf is your agenda here? B Calm May 2016 #152
To elect a Democrat to the Presidency. What's yours? baldguy May 2016 #156
If you were well informed you would be demanding to know what Hillary B Calm May 2016 #159
Evidently, making spurious and hate-filled accusations, bvf May 2016 #157
No. PowerToThePeople May 2016 #123
The Vote Of Each Citizen Is A Private Matter cantbeserious May 2016 #126
Try really hard not to kill myself. peace13 May 2016 #127
Absolutely not. No matter how many times the question is asked. nt Live and Learn May 2016 #128
On one condition.. Rass May 2016 #131
Puke. snot May 2016 #132
Would seppuku be sufficient? Fumesucker May 2016 #133
They're just waking up, I know just what they'll do! Their mouths will hang open a minute or two Warren DeMontague May 2016 #134
I like pie. n/t Binkie The Clown May 2016 #138
Of course I will support her... All the way from the courthouse to Prison in the FBI's hands... Bern2WinUSA May 2016 #139
I will vote for the Democratic nominee. eom mikehiggins May 2016 #140
No, even in a swing state. frustrated_lefty May 2016 #141
Figure out how i'll keep paying for my family's medical bills. bobbobbins01 May 2016 #142
Probably going to the Mena Arkansas airport John Poet May 2016 #144
I'm going to see what she does and what the Democratic party does. How's that? highprincipleswork May 2016 #145
I'll support every progressive down ticket. w4rma May 2016 #149
"Support" seems too strong. Vattel May 2016 #150
We are not there, Bernie is still in the race. Take B Calm May 2016 #151
I don't support the lesser of two evils. Which is why I am so glad her nomination is still an IF. Betty Karlson May 2016 #153
Write in a vote for Bernie Sanders laserhaas May 2016 #154
So Bernie people. What are you going to do when Hillary gets nominated??? jmousso75 May 2016 #155
I have some ideas ... NurseJackie May 2016 #158
It depends fifthoffive May 2016 #160

Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Response to kayakjohnny (Reply #11)

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
46. +7 And hope her supporters don't forget to screenshot this, too!
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:57 PM
May 2016

Gotta keep the list current ya know.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
129. +15
Sat May 7, 2016, 12:19 AM
May 2016

I know I responded earlier, but this really seems to piss off a certain contingent here, so why not?

JeffHead

(1,186 posts)
6. Living in a deep blue state, thankfully I won't have to.
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:35 PM
May 2016

She on her own as far as I'm concerned. Good luck to her.

Kall

(615 posts)
7. No.
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:36 PM
May 2016

Democratic candidates don't get to do things like publicly crap all over single-payer health care with Republican talking points (Eek! Taxes! Not going to mention elimination of private insurance costs!), lie that their opponent proposing it will take health care away from "millions and millions and millions of people", and then get my support. But keep right on believing otherwise.

Kall

(615 posts)
136. That's what she did.
Sat May 7, 2016, 01:01 AM
May 2016

You're just going to have to deal with that. Choices like that have a cost.

shireen

(8,340 posts)
9. YES!!!!
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:37 PM
May 2016

IF she is nominated.

Please don't take the naysayers too seriously. As the national campaign unfurls, they are going to be too horrified by The Donald to risk him becoming president.

I heard that buffoon is already planning the design for his wall along the Mexico-US border!

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
13. If by "support" you mean donate or work for her or even post positively about her on Facebook,
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:50 PM
May 2016

no fucking way.

I don't "support" corrupt, lying, Neocon pro-fracking, pro-death penalty hawkish DLC Third Way DINOs.

If you mean vote for her -- I'll see what the polls in my very blue state say in October. I'll only vote for her if it looks like she's close in the polls with Trump. Otherwise Jill Stein has my vote. But ... it's probably sexist to vote for THAT particular woman, huh?

Shadowflash

(1,536 posts)
74. I couldn't have said it better
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:59 PM
May 2016

other than the possibly voting for the 'corrupt, lying, Neocon pro-fracking, pro-death penalty hawkish DLC Third Way DINOs' part.

I'm not sure there is a clothespin big enough for my nose to do that.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
93. I agree. Whether I vote for Hillary depends largely on factors that are still unknown. If you are in
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:34 PM
May 2016

a position to (1) write-in Sanders or (2) vote Jill Stein (that is to say Hillary doesn't need your support to carry your blue state), what factors will you consider when deciding between option (1) and (2)?

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
117. That's a good question.
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:42 PM
May 2016

I'd be happy to do either option. I like both of them.

I guess I need to mull this over more.

 

BOSNYCDC

(66 posts)
14. I will vote for whichever candidate espouses views closer to my own
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:50 PM
May 2016

I disagree with HRC on almost everything except PP support
I don't trust anything that comes out of her mouth

I disagree with DT on almost everything except single payer
I don't trust anything that comes out of his mouth

Quite a bind I'm in.
A BS write in is very, very possible for me - especially as I live in a state that will go 90-10 Dem for sure

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
15. Yet another request to sign the loyalty oath.
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:54 PM
May 2016

Need I remind you that she hasn't secured the nomination yet, and that eight years ago she herself did not drop out until after the very last of the primaries.

It will be up to her to actively win my vote with policies and stands that align with mine. If that doesn't happen, I'm not voting for her. Nor will I be voting for Donald Trump.

I've had enough of voting for the lesser evil, which is still evil. I've had enough of my vote being taken for granted because I have no where else to go. If there's not a candidate out there who truly represents me, then I'll pass on voting, at least in the Presidential column.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
94. Huh? While I know that scene,
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:16 PM
May 2016

I'm befuddled as to how it makes an appropriate reply to what I posted.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
95. One has to prove that you are a loyal party member...
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:21 PM
May 2016

Okay so it's a strained reference.

Vinca

(53,994 posts)
17. I will vote against Trump.
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:55 PM
May 2016

That's the best I can do. I cannot "support" someone I can barely stomach. So she'll get my vote, but that's not intended as my support.

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
101. I'm alright- sobered up again
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:38 PM
May 2016

Two years ago and am now a bicycle courier here in the beautiful NW.....

Oldest bicycle courier in the state....lol....
Been off DU for a while, decided I'd come and visit. Jesus. Wtf happened here? It looks like paid trolls flinging shit at each other 24/7.

Was it always this way in the primaries or am I getting soft in my old age?


SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
113. Your vision is clear
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:28 PM
May 2016

Very few of us left here
Glad to hear you got it going on
You will always be one of the good guys to me

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
63. It's a shame she acts more like a Republican, though.
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:30 PM
May 2016

I'd LIKE to enthusiastically throw my support behind a true Democrat, but apparently we're getting stuck with Neocon Hillary instead.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
66. She isn't my preferred choice.
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:36 PM
May 2016

But as a life long Democrat, I would happily vote for her over any Republican. The stakes are too high to let a Republican in office.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
31. Hillary to Bush donors:"I share your values".
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:20 PM
May 2016

DU was formed to be a gathering spot for those not sharing Bush values. 15 years later, here we are.

The Blue Flower

(6,490 posts)
33. I haven't decided, but you'd be wise not to take my vote for granted
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:32 PM
May 2016

I won't know until the time comes. I'm expecting her to go more to the right now to appeal to R's, now that she's "inevitable". If so, she won't need my vote, and I won't have to compromise my conscience.

LaurenG

(24,841 posts)
36. None of your business Gomez
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:37 PM
May 2016

What will YOU do if Bernie is our nominee? Can we get a loyalty pledge from you? I think it takes a ton of nerve to post flame bait and expect Bernie supporters to do anything but ask you to kiss their butts.

Shadowflash

(1,536 posts)
39. Leave DU. At least in the short term
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:42 PM
May 2016

As it will be insufferable around here and I'm not interested in HRC Underground.

If Sanders doesn't make it, I'll do some research into the candidates that will be on my ballot and vote for the one who best fits my ideas and has the same vision for the country I do.

If that's HRC, after my research, then I'll vote for her, if not, then not.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
40. I heard a great explanation why we should all vote for Hillary in Nov.. if she's nominated.
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:47 PM
May 2016

I always listen to Norm Goldman's radio program, and yesterday someone called in DETERMINED NOT to support Hillary if she gets the nomination. Norm told her she was demanding too much from any candidate. "You're no looking to date someone, or become best friends. You won't completely agree with ANYONE except yourself! When voting for a candidate, you need to compare the two who are running and figure out which one best fits your desires. Hillary will nominate modest to liberal candidates for the SCOTUS. She will name DEMOCRATS to all the cabinet positions & fed. court judges. She WON'T kill Obamacare & she'll fight for an increase to the min. wage. That's good enough for me. Any other progressive things she gets through congress is a bonus.

IF the Trumpster gets elected say goodby to internet neutrality, Obamacare, the SCOTUS for decades, increase to the min. wage, more & bigger wars, etc. Absolutely NONE of his ideas are acceptable.

Voting third party simply increases the likelihood of a Trumpster win."

I really liked what he said and feel it makes sense. I would LOVE to have President Sanders because I'd like to see the Roosevelt Democracy come back, but o matter how many disagreements I have WITH Hillary, the worst things she would do are far more acceptable than the Trumpsters best!

Jemmons

(711 posts)
88. That strikes me as a shallow, short sighted and incredibly stupid argument.
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:56 PM
May 2016

Basically your radio host is saying that you dont have a choice - which is domonstrativly wrong - and that you should accept whatever outcome that a any rigged party process trows your way.

The primaries are run by the parties, not the nation and they are under no obligation to make primary election fair or democratic. So in theory you could end up with two candidates that are both bought by the usual kind of soft bribery that is now legal. And your host would then want you to just figure which one is worst and vote for the other one. Based on your representation, NG is either disengenious, corrupt or so shallow and shortsigted that he should not talk about politics.

As you seem to agree with NG, let me ask if you would prefer 4 years or Trump or 40 years of Democratic-in-name-only rule?

napi21

(45,806 posts)
115. I much prefer 40 years of Democratic rule than ANY time at all of Trump.
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:31 PM
May 2016

My first choice is Bernie, but it really doesn't look like he's going to be the winner. If it's Hillary, I know she will nominate liberal, or at the very least moderate Democratic justices to the SCOTUS, Democrats to the other fed. judge open slots, Democrats to her cabinet, and Democrats to ALL the different departments. I KNOW we will keep net neutrality, keep & move to improve Obamacare, strive to increase the min. wage, continue Obama's decisions regarding immigration and deportation. Any additional progressive accomplishments will be much appreciated gravy.

If
Trump gets to be Prez, you can kiss good by everything I've mentioned above but in the opposite direction!

I've had more than enough of a Pub controlled SCOTUS with Scalia for 40+ years!

Think about all the things HE has pushed through. Citizens United, elimination of the voting rights act that controlled the racist states, elimination of the mandate that forced all states to increase Medicaid to cover many more of it's citizens, and 50 more I won't list.

We need those decisions reversed, and for damn sure no Pubbie is going to do that!

Jemmons

(711 posts)
143. You actually failed to either understand or answer the question
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:09 AM
May 2016

Would you prefer 4 years of Trump if the alternative was 40 years (not 4) of fake, insincere, shallow, hollow, meaningless, sham, pseudo democratic rule?

The policies of such a regime would include but not be limited to the following:
The defense of marriage act.
The war on drugs.
The gutting of the social well fare system.
The endless war with Eurasia.
The end of meaningful debate.
The hollowing out of economic progress for anyone but people of wealth.
The ecconomic enslavery that comes with debt for the less privileged.
A political system that systematically minimizes the influence of individual voters.

Please explain your choice to me as if I was a 12 year old who had to live with the results of all this.

I suspect your trouble is that you dont imagine that you could ever get 40 years of sham democratic rule. So let me ask: If that was what you actually got, at what point would you revise your position? What would it take to convince you that you were now 14 or 21 years along a path that was leading nowhere?

You might be quite comfortable with this kind of rule. If you are a member of the "creative class" you have plenty of reason to be. But are you then really a democrat?


BzaDem

(11,142 posts)
147. What would it take to convince you that your proposed path was leading nowhere?
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:08 AM
May 2016

Let's imagine that Trump wins, and replaces Scalia, RBG, and Kennedy (resulting in a Republican court for decades). These justices are appointed for life, and would strike down any major progressive economic legislation that could possibly be signed by a progressive president in the future that would hypothetically meet your standards. In other words, by increasing the chances of Trump's wins for just 4 years, let's assume for the sake of argument that you are enshrining for decades everything in your entire list, and then some.

If that was what you actually got, at what point would you revise your position? Please explain your choice to me as if I was a 12 year old who had to live the results of all this.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
41. No
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:48 PM
May 2016

Why lie?

I swore that Obama would be the last time I cast a vote for a lesser of two evils. This time it looks as though selecting the "lesser of two evils" in the GE would be a crapshoot.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
49. I am not a registered democrat and little debbie says I should STFU, the democratic nominee is none
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:06 PM
May 2016

of my business. It's a real easy guess what I will be doing.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
51. First, Plan to catch up on "The Walking Dead"
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:10 PM
May 2016

I only saw season one.

Then my girlfriend gave me the entire collection of Zatoichi all 26 movies plus the new one.



I plan on watching that to.

Plus am working on my next Iaido rank exam.

Lots to do!

mike_c

(37,051 posts)
52. I'll go back to the green party....
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:11 PM
May 2016

I changed my party affiliation to dem solely to vote for Senator Sanders. I'll either write him in or return to the Green Party if Sanders isn't the dem nominee.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
56. You might want to tell DWS that. She's the one who said non registered democrats
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:24 PM
May 2016

are not welcome in her big tent unless it's to clean up the elephant shit.

JPnoodleman

(454 posts)
57. I'd need a positive reason to support her,
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:25 PM
May 2016

Her being the cleanest dirty shirt in the hamper isn't a solid reason to actually go vote.

JPnoodleman

(454 posts)
62. Its going to take a lot to get those blood stains out....
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:29 PM
May 2016

I think I'll elect to go topless if my choice is between a blood stained shirt (Hillary) or a Blood and feces stained shirt (Trump)

JPnoodleman

(454 posts)
70. Is Trump a dictator?
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:40 PM
May 2016

More over, depending on ones State that is a foregone conclusion with Republicans running various State governments. Plus there is little indication Obamacare won't be grand bargained into the garbage heep via Clinton.

JPnoodleman

(454 posts)
72. Note I said positive reasons...
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:43 PM
May 2016

After she declared Bernies platform was a full stop no, why would I vote for her. She has no interest in the policies I wish and she changes her stance so much and based on who her audience is its hard to trust what her intentions actually are.

Amaril

(1,267 posts)
59. Getting your list ready, are you?
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:26 PM
May 2016

Well, at least you're more creative than the people who are screen-capping rec lists.

Have fun!

icecreamfan

(115 posts)
61. No
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:27 PM
May 2016

I'll vote green party.

I live in a safe D congressional district and state, and my ballot gets mailed to me. I haven't decided if I'll cast a protest vote in down ballot races yet because my congresswomen supports Clinton in a county that probably won't.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
64. Get ready for more war, see more social safety programs being discarded. Seeing wall street fat cats
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:33 PM
May 2016

get even fatter. See the income inequality rise even more. And watch your social security check go to Goldman Sachs!

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
65. I'll vote for her
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:34 PM
May 2016

though, living in a 'small mostly white flyover state' and having been Sanders supporter, I'm told I'm not needed or wanted.

But, my state is a swing state, so I'll have to explain to my kids that sometimes you vote for someone you don't' believe in just so that someone worse doesn't get into office. It's like choosing to have your leg broken versus your back, neither is good for you, but one is much worse.

I will not donate to her, she has plenty of super pacs and wealthy donors so she doesn't need the small donations I could give.

I will not work for the campaign. Again, small, mostly white flyover state. Not needed, or so I'm told.

But, she'll get my grudging vote because Trump is probably worse, with the full expectation that she'll do whatever the Republicans demand in order to "get things done".

Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #68)

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
80. Trick question in my mind. I won't not support her on this board, however, not everyone
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:22 PM
May 2016

who is a Berner is a Democrat. Millions of potential Democrats might choose other candidates once they are turned away. We have been talking about this for months now.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
83. Work like mad on down-ticket races to give her a hostilely-progressive Democratic Congress ASAP.
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:36 PM
May 2016

I can't support her. I will vote for her if Connecticut somehow becomes competitive. I am going to work to give her a Congress that forces her into more progressive positions than she'd prefer.

Free college? If she won't, let's give her a Congress that will force her to.
Single-payer healthcare? If she won't, let's give her a Congress that will force her to.
World peace? If she won't, let's give her a Congress that will force her to.

flobee1

(870 posts)
86. No vote for me
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:41 PM
May 2016

Hillary, the dnc, and her supporters neither need or want my vote anyway. She is so inevitable, she has already won the GE.
I wish her luck.

I just plan to sit on the back porch, and pick my guitar.

rbnyc

(17,045 posts)
89. No.
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:58 PM
May 2016

Right now, I'm fighting for the Democratic Party, and for the country. I understand that this forum is aligned with the Democratic Party. I have been a registered Democrat for decades. I have always voted Democrat. I have contributed, volunteered and been highly engaged. I hope we can emerge from the convention with a Sanders nomination and that I can remain a Democrat.

If not, I will be part of an alternative movement that will ultimately defeat both parties, and I understand that means saying goodbye to this forum.

I hope it doesn't come to that, but...


There has to come a time when we do things differently.

We will never climb out of this trap if we continue to deliver the message to the DNC that our fear of Republicans will compel us to get in line behind the establishment candidate every time. We have to stop delivering the message that as long as LGBT rights, reproductive freedom, Medicare and Social Security are in jeopardy, that we will always fall into place. The Democratic Party will never be incentivized to fully secure these precious issues as long as their peril delivers our obedience, and the ground we lose every election cycle that we refuse to be brave, especially in our race against irreversible climate catastrophe, is profound.

We have come to a place in history where enough of us are willing to be brave that we can make a difference, and regardless of whether you think it's right or wrong, this is the choice that is before the Democratic Party right now:

They can let our political revolution lead the party and win, or they can force us out and lose.


http://rbouchard68.blogspot.com/2016/04/i-was-once-like-you-sad-stubborn.html

The trap of our two party system has caused so much damage. I can't for the life of me understand why people are so determined to defend the trap.
 

Rass

(112 posts)
137. Amen
Sat May 7, 2016, 01:05 AM
May 2016

"They can let our political revolution lead the party and win, or they can force us out and lose."

We are in this for the long haul.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
91. If she is nominated, I'll consider her running-mate, the party platform, the reform of the party
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:22 PM
May 2016

rules, what Sanders' role at the convention and in the fall campaign becomes, etc.

Hillary's pretty marginal in her appeal to me (I feel about Hillary the same way many Hillary supporters feel about Jim Webb). I'd definitely support Hillary if I though the race was close and a vote for her in Texas would be a meaningful way to stop Trump.

Given that Hillary would lose Texas despite my vote and win (I hope) nationally without my vote, I'm not sure it matters whether I vote Hillary, write-in Sanders, or vote Jill Stein.

If we nominate Hillary, I will choose among these options based on data that has yet to be developed. I will definitely consider voting for Hillary and I have never failed to vote for the Democratic candidate for president, but much remains to be revealed.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
97. I certainly won't vote for Trump.
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:35 PM
May 2016

Otherwise, I don't usually make plans that far ahead... or swear out loyalty oaths for the benefit of liberal interventionists/neoconservatives/whatever the hell she is this week.


If it wasn't for protecting Obamacare, she would have NO chance of getting my vote.



 

Urchin

(248 posts)
105. I'm not worried about Trump becoming president
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:46 PM
May 2016

Because he'll probably screw-up so badly, he'll be impeached and convicted in no time.

So depends who his VP will be.

 

coffeeAM

(180 posts)
109. I will vote for the nominee that offers single payer healthcare,
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:59 PM
May 2016

15 bucks an hour minimum wage and free college tuition.

Nanjeanne

(6,589 posts)
110. Can't answer now. When (if) she gets nom she has a number of months to
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:59 PM
May 2016

Show me how she supports me. If she does, I will.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
111. Whatever I feel like doing, like always.
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:07 PM
May 2016

Stop begging for loyalty when your candidate has none to anyone but herself. What you need to do is get out and sell the candidate you support, you will need all hands on deck because with her negatives it will be a hard sell. I will just be doing whatever I feel, as stated. Enjoy.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
114. I've mentioned many times...
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:28 PM
May 2016

I will vote for her as the candidate who probably will do less damage to America.

Beyond that, I am unwilling to contribute my time, effort and funds to her campaign. I will be fair, but I'm uncertain if I will expend the energy to put out fires that her actions and positions have caused.

I am not going to sell someone the idea of voting for her as I don't believe in the product. I try to look at so many different factors and our current course is unsustainable.

At the moment voting for her in November is all I can commit to. Wether I help out, stay the same or actively work against her remains in question. I'd like to say I'll stay the same, which is the most probable course, but again, I do look at as many factors as I can.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
118. Would you care to point to specific posts here
Fri May 6, 2016, 09:30 PM
May 2016

to support your observation, or is this your way of saying "fuck you" to anyone who says these stupid Clinton loyalty oaths are as cretinous as ever?

Go ahead. Who?


 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
119. This post was hidden by jury decision, +1 +2 +3 +4 ...
Fri May 6, 2016, 09:46 PM
May 2016

This post was hidden by jury decision, +5, +6, +7, +8, +9, +10, +11, +12, 13....

All Trump supporters. Don't try to deny it.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
120. You've just now accused 13 DUers of supporting Trump.
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:12 PM
May 2016

Anything more I could say here would surely garner an alert, so I'll leave you with this:

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
122. Sure does, just not in the way you think.
Sat May 7, 2016, 12:02 AM
May 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511845203

You can't seem to control yourself, but don't dare blame a Trump presidency on anything but your own mindset.

Pointing a finger is all you have.

And with that, I'm done with you.







 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
148. That's exactly something a Trump supporter would say
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:48 AM
May 2016

When they're trying to play-act as a progressive Democrat.

Wouldn't be the first time DU's been infiltrated by RW provocateurs.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
156. To elect a Democrat to the Presidency. What's yours?
Sat May 7, 2016, 08:12 AM
May 2016

DU is supposed to be dedicated to electing more Democrats to political office at all levels of American government. Well-informed, politically liberal people understand the importance of working within the system to do so.

Sanders supporters want to destroy that system, and to that end would see the Democratic Party decimated & dismembered, and the use of endless RW fascist talking points against the presumptive Democratic nominee is cheered on. Clinton has always presented the best opportunity to defeat any GOP candidate - especially Trump.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
159. If you were well informed you would be demanding to know what Hillary
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:43 PM
May 2016

said to the Wall Street Banksters who stoled our money.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
157. Evidently, making spurious and hate-filled accusations,
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:39 PM
May 2016

racking up hides, and, most importantly, trying to render the Democratic party ever more indistinguishable from that of Rove and Atwater.

You're seeing DU amnesty, in all its glory, personified.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
127. Try really hard not to kill myself.
Sat May 7, 2016, 12:17 AM
May 2016

Try to find a way to organize my life so that I can put one foot in front of the other. Try to discover where the meaning of honesty went and where I can find it and drag it back to this society. So I will be pretty occupied.

 

Rass

(112 posts)
131. On one condition..
Sat May 7, 2016, 12:48 AM
May 2016

If Hillary can stop or heavily tax companies from offshoring American jobs.

In other words,.. aint gonna happen. She doesn't give a shit about the working class.

snot

(11,804 posts)
132. Puke.
Sat May 7, 2016, 12:49 AM
May 2016

I didn't feel that way at the start of the campaign. I thought we had two pretty good choices, though I liked Bernie better.

But after all the shenanigans, rule-bending, disrespect, etc. that Hillary and her supporters have shown toward Bernie and his supporters . . .

Meanwhile, Bernie has shown not just integrity but chivalry (I use the latter term as something I wish everyone would show everyone). He could have kept quiet about the wall breach, and simply exploited it; he didn't. He could have jumped on the "Hillary's emails" bandwagon; he made a point of refusing.

It would not have been hard to throw a lot more dirt on Hillary.

Instead, he's stuck to the issues. He's cast no aspersions; he's merely pointed out the facts of her record.

In return, Hillary or her supporters have bent every rule her way and done all they could to portray him and his supporters as racist and sexist – charges that are both ridiculous and unfair.

The 1%-owned media have been completely complicit. Anyone who imagines there was a fair fight – jeez, what did Trump get, what does he still get, something like 82 minutes of coverage for every two seconds Bernie gets? And they pretend to wonder how Trump could have gotten so far!

I am not loyal to mere power.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
134. They're just waking up, I know just what they'll do! Their mouths will hang open a minute or two
Sat May 7, 2016, 12:54 AM
May 2016

Then the Whos down in Whoville will all cry, "Boo Hoo!"

That's a noise, (the Grinch said,) that I simply must hear!
Narrator: So he paused, And the Grinch put a hand to his ear.
And he did hear a sound rising over the snow.
It started in low.
Then it started to grow...
But this-- the sound wasn't sad.
Why, this sound sounded glad!




 

Bern2WinUSA

(44 posts)
139. Of course I will support her... All the way from the courthouse to Prison in the FBI's hands...
Sat May 7, 2016, 01:23 AM
May 2016

Bernie or Bust!!

frustrated_lefty

(2,774 posts)
141. No, even in a swing state.
Sat May 7, 2016, 02:29 AM
May 2016

Pennsylvania here, not sure what I'll do, but voting for Hillary is NOT an option.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
142. Figure out how i'll keep paying for my family's medical bills.
Sat May 7, 2016, 02:33 AM
May 2016

Since univeral healthcare will be off the table.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
144. Probably going to the Mena Arkansas airport
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:14 AM
May 2016

to await a special delivery from the C.I.A.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
149. I'll support every progressive down ticket.
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:48 AM
May 2016

I'll vote for her, if it comes down to it, but all she gets from me is my vote. I could, honestly, care less if she wins or loses since she's a weak candidate who is hell bent on alienating me and my positions on the issues.

Also, she is incapable of winning a reelection campaign, but she's too selfish to step aside for anyone better. So, she'll usher in another Republican wave during the midterms, just like her husband did and then, in 2 years, a popular Republican - in name and action - president.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
150. "Support" seems too strong.
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:55 AM
May 2016

I will probably take a deep breath, hold my nose, and vote for the lesser of the two evils.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
151. We are not there, Bernie is still in the race. Take
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:04 AM
May 2016

your _______ and ______ it where the sun doesn't shine!

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
153. I don't support the lesser of two evils. Which is why I am so glad her nomination is still an IF.
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:09 AM
May 2016

Not a when.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
154. Write in a vote for Bernie Sanders
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:15 AM
May 2016

Because true progressives dont support riggings of the Democratic process

 

jmousso75

(71 posts)
155. So Bernie people. What are you going to do when Hillary gets nominated???
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:21 AM
May 2016

Living in New York State where the primary was fixed for Hillary, stay home.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
158. I have some ideas ...
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:45 PM
May 2016

... that I will decline to share. (You'll have to use your imagination.)

fifthoffive

(382 posts)
160. It depends
Sat May 7, 2016, 08:45 PM
May 2016

If she has a chance to win my deeply red state, I'll vote for her. If not, I'll vote for Stein.

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