Hillary demanded a Secretary of State appointment in exchange for calling off her PUMAs.

[Attorney in Texas]

Sanders is not making any similar demand.

If Hillary is nominated, party unity should not be hard to achieve for three reasons:

1. Party rules and platform issues mean a lot to Sanders and his supporters. I have not ever run across a single Hillary supporter who has said "I LOVE the super delegate process for installing a wall of lobbyists to keep grassroots Democrats out of the nomination process," and I have not heard anyone say, "wow, if I didn't already love Debbie Wasserman Schultz for her passionate support of America's vital payday-loan industry, I'd still want her running the show because a smaller Democratic party with fewer elected officials is SO much easier to manage!" Likewise, I think I'll puke if I hear Hillary say I'm in "vigorous agreement with Senator Sanders on this issue" one more time. Let's document all of these vigorous agreements in out platform and adopt a plan that more Democrats are proud to stand upon. If fixing the party rules and platform ares good for the party and important to Sanders and his supporters and not a thing that Hillary and her supporters oppose, that is an easy compromise.

2. We all benefit from re-taking the Senate. Hillary is not universally liked, and her appeal is weakest in many states where Sanders did very well and there are key Senate battles looming. Key races include Colorado, New Hampshire, and Wisconsin where Sanders is beloved and they are not Hillary friendly (these are also important battleground states). Sanders also has a different, but comparably strong, base of supporters in Illinois and Missouri and Nevada and Ohio, venues for four more key senate races. Hillary should do what she can with the party rules and platform to make it easy for Sanders to motivate his supporters in these key eight senate races to feel the Bern for our Democratic candidates. If our platform sucks, if our top-of-the-ballot candidates include no one to excite independents and millennial Democrats, if the rules of the Democratic Party are not even remotely democratic, Sanders job of motivating his supporters down ballot is much tougher (and maybe unachievable). Put Sanders to work in those eight states AND MAKE HIS JOB EASIER.

3. A progressive running mate will help in the general election and would help Sanders get his supporters to support the ticket. Gore-Lieberman, The Sequel will not sell. Consider John Hickenlooper. Consider Elizabeth Warren. Consider Tulsi Gabbard (the ultimate party unity choice). Avoid picking some centrist white male just because he comes from a swing state. Please.

[cali]

1. I find that easy to believe but do you have any evidence?

[Agschmid]

2. No.

[msanthrope]

28. Okay....let me ask you something. Do you normally go about your day,

finding things easy to believe without evidence? I ask because I generally find things only "easy" to believe when there is ample evidence.

[cali]

31. It depends. In this case, based both on what I know about politics and Clinton,

I find it easy to believe.

[msanthrope]

36. So....based on what you know about the President, this is what you believe?

I am still waiting for evidence of this collusion between President Obama and HRC. Could you provide some?

[SwampG8r]

40. Presidential level collusion rarely comes with evidence

Nixon taught a lesson to all following

[synergie]

66. So the lack of evidence is the evidence? Sounds like what the Repubs have been arguing

about a great many things, most of which they are 100% wrong about. How does this terrible standard work when things are essentially made up whole cloth by people who seem to enjoy writing bad fiction?

[OwlinAZ]

128. Actually what you are saying is Republican-like.

[synergie]

136. Actually, no. But Republicans do need to project when their tactics are called out. Well done.

And what I said stated is literally the GOP line on the Clinton smears, the attacks on Planned Parenthood, and a variety of other RW conspiracy theories and beliefs, and when called they all insist it's you not them that is doing the thing you just pointed out they were doing.

This tactic you are engaging in is pure CON, no just "like" it.

[Hortensis]

70. Actually, it is not true. What happened is well

documented by witnesses on both sides, including his advisors. Many have written articles and books and described it in interviews.

What happened is that Obama asked her to be his SoS soon after the Democratric convention. She was surprised and initially refused, fully intending to return to the Senate (she was a sitting Senator from NY, remember), but he persisted and the rest we know.

Btw, the notion that Obama would have traded such an incredibly important position for what would have been a mostly failed attempt to swing a small block of hostile extremists is silly. A critically large block, perhaps, such as the big block of liberal Hillary supporters, but we backed him immediately when she conceded, no endorsement by her actually needed.

This story that the hostile "PUMAs" could have mattered so much sounds like a conceit pleasing to some who find themselves in a similar position now. Extremists on both sides never seem to understand they are very much in the minority, so they misunderstand...much.

[oasis]

84. +1

[still_one]

92. kick and rec !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BootinUp]

124. The Bern Squad isn't interested in things like documented facts. nt

[brush]

130. Thanks for this, another vile, unfounded rumor is disbunked.

[dchill]

103. What would be hard to believe ...

That she didn't have even more demands than that. I remember, she was in a serious state of poutrage, then suddenly, the skies opened up...

[CorporatistNation]

120. Then, Believe THIS! The EVIDENCE Is CLEAR AND... IRREFUTABLE!

[brush]

131. You call that racist, I call it racist to assume that her calling out drug dealers as predators . .

refers to black kids as being predators.

The drug dealers are the predators.

[OwlinAZ]

126. There are patterns of behavior and known histories.

[leveymg]

133. Horsetrading Cabinet positions is a common practice, but it's illegal, so everyone denies it

So, unless either Clinton or Obama admit to what was said during their meeting after Barack hopped off the plane and visited her at her Georgetown house that night in June, 2008, we will simply never have direct evidence. The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming, however. There are many people who Obama could have approinted as SOS who are just as qualified and far more supportive, but he didn't. That indicates a form of blackmail on HRC's part. Call it a deal, if you prefer,

[benny05]

3. Agreed

But as a Bernie supporter, I think Tad Devine has got to quit getting into fights with the DNC. Bernie's issue with the DNC is about fairness, but I suspect (as perhaps this post may be suggesting) it is more that the DNC has issues with Devine.

The suggestions made in the post are good ones. A good platform will not emerge else wise, and it just complacency again.

[msanthrope]

29. Tad Devine does not win elections. nt

[DURHAM D]

4. This is a big fat lie.

Further, I assume you are not an attorney and not in Texas.

Are you a Democrat?

[DonCoquixote]

6. wonderfully fact filled logic there

sarcasm,
then again, I have come to expect that.

Nice way of accusing the poster of being a non democrat.

[procon]

5. "Sanders is not making any similar demand". Yet, you forgot to include the 'yet'.

No, he isn't, but he is threatening a floor fight at the convention, yeah? That's worse, and for certain, he won't release his delegates or urge his supporters to get behind Hillary until he extorts concession from her and gets his demands aired,

[apnu]

134. Yup. People forget Bernie is a politician.

By defination, he makes deals and uses leverage. He is not His High Holiness Saint Bernie of Sanders. Rather, he is a political animal who's spent decades as an independent getting things done in Congress. And again, nothing gets done in Congress without deals, swapping favors and votes, all involving leverage. Bernie has leverage now, he will use it before this is over.

[Tarc]

7. This is a rather serious assertion, as it is actually against the law

18 U.S. Code § 599 - Promise of appointment by candidate

Whoever, being a candidate, directly or indirectly promises or pledges the appointment, or the use of his influence or support for the appointment of any person to any public or private position or employment, for the purpose of procuring support in his candidacy shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was willful, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

So I would expect some verifiable proof or of this thread to be self-deleted, as you just accused a Democratic candidate for office of violating a federal law.

[Warren Stupidity]

12. Oh look I've seen that somewhere else. nt.

[Live and Learn]

24. ROFL

[insta8er]

15. Wow you truly are a piece of work, threatening to report a thread because you don't like the content

of it? I mean when did we become this low? that we rather kill the voice of someone because we are so full of ourselves and our candidate. Sickening...

[Tarc]

45. I'd rather not see accusations of illegality without proof levied against Democrats

in a forum that is expressly for supporting Democratic candidates for office. With Emailgate there was at least a semblance of a case to make, as there was an official investigation. But this? This is just vile politics by poo-flinging moneys, trying to see what will stick and what will roll off.

[JTFrog]

78. Guess you should have read up on how the rules of this website go.

If you had bothered to read the TOS, Community Standards or Mission Statement, you probably wouldn't be flagged for review and getting your inevitable PPR. Members are expected to use the alert button in cases like this thread.

The OP obviously has not read them either or he would know that bald faced lies and conspiracy theories aren't welcome here either.

The fact that OP's like this don't get hidden or self deleted is the actual sickening part. But many jurors are not acting in good faith at the moment.

[sheshe2]

114. Well said.

I thank you.

[Live and Learn]

25. Trust me she has violated many laws and helped to ensure that people with money

don't answer to them. Meanwhile, a hungry person that stole a pizza slice sits in jail for life. And some entrepreneur that sold a regulated product without a license spends decades in jail while those with licenses to sell regulated products are Scott-free even when they rip off consumers or kill people with their malfeasance.

The system is rigged and your refusal to acknowledge is becoming doltish.

[Tarc]

43. There we go with blind, uncorroborated assertions of lawbreaking

just flinging the poop at the wall to see what sticks against a Democratic nominee, no less. There's a time coming soon when this sort of thing won't be allowed here, so, get it in while ya can. I guess...

[Live and Learn]

44. Nope, simple truth. nt

[Tarc]

46. Put up or shut up then, bro

[Live and Learn]

47. Who you calling boy? Racist term but I am sure you will deny being one. nt

[Tarc]

48. There, there's a better term now

I'll just sit here and wait for evidence to come forth.

[Live and Learn]

51. Good, you've changed terms from racist to juvenile and asinine. WTG. nt

[Tarc]

52. Still waiting...

[Live and Learn]

53. Wait away and have fun doing so. nt

[Tarc]

56. Still waiting...

[stonecutter357]

61. Are you a Berniebro ?

[synergie]

72. Oh they don't like that term, apparently rude Bernie supporters who say

things like that and pretty much don't seem to be very nice are "mythical" just ignore the many instance where they prove otherwise.

[Tarc]

94. ...

[dubyadiprecession]

63. Tarc didn't call you a boy. but you do sound like your 8...

years old.

[synergie]

77. That seems to be the literacy and maturity level at play here.

And 8 is being rather generous, unless the 8 year old in question is suffering from some developmental delays.

[sheshe2]

115. Tarc said bro, not boy.

Why do you purposely misread what they said?

[synergie]

71. Yeah, you don't have much credibility since you seem to enjoy many works of fiction

starring the Clintons, and moles. Here you have posted another work of creative writing, which is not terribly credible and seems to be devoid of any shred of a coherent argument or proof, why should anyone trust someone who engages repeatedly in such untrustworthy behavior?

This insistence that "the system is rigged" which apparently applies to any and all systems, assuming you know what those are, is rather doltish.

You can't just say things, you need to back them up with verifiable facts, and that involves using specifics in language and examples not just snippets from some modern day attempt at a bad imitation of a Horatio Alger story. Your refusal to do so is simply silly.

[JTFrog]

79. I do not trust you. nt

[seabeyond]

8. I think it is a lie that Clinton had anything to do with PUMA one way or another. PUMA of 2016

will make their own choices.

[MineralMan]

9. What is the evidence for your claim?

Nothing in your post offers any. So...let's see it, please.

[tex-wyo-dem]

10. Wouldn't surprise me if true...

You could argue she was one of the worst SoS in memory....with exception of Kissinger, of course...but, then again, Hill and Henry are BFFs.

[Warren Stupidity]

11. FYI Jury Fail

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OP accuses POTUS of breaking Federal Law:

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[joshcryer]

16. Yep, 5 fails.

[Warren Stupidity]

17. it is a discussion board. discuss.

[joshcryer]

18. Discuss made up shit?

Perpetuate false bullshit memes? This post shits all over Obama's integrity. There was no deal, Obama held all the cards. It's just ludicrous.

[Fla Dem]

59. Can't discuss the topic the OP postulates because there is no evidence.

So it's just made up crap. Evidence has been asked for numerous time in this thread and all the responses are empty snide comments.

[JTFrog]

86. A discussion board with terms members agree to uphold.

Conspiracy theories (especially baseless, fact free, evidence free) have NEVER been welcome at DU. This particular creative speculation is no exception. In fact I would say that this shit is worse than your average 9/11 CT. This shit is being served here to intentionally mislead and depress turnout for one of our candidates. No excuse for that. None.

[sheshe2]

117. I certainly agree it is a jury fail that you are so proud of.

Obviously we agree for different reasons.

[moriah]

13. And unicorns are real (or, if you prefer, the x and y bosons exist).

.... regardless of truth or fiction of any of the three statements, without proof we have nothing.

(Imagining a meme like the Got Milk? Campaign, with, "Got proof?&quot

And fyi, she officially denied any such thing in her book, and President Obama has not said that it was a lie.

[joshcryer]

14. This is flat out false.

Why make shit up?

[democrattotheend]

19. Got a source for that?

That's a pretty big accusation that, if true, reflects poorly not only on Hillary but on the President as well. I find it hard to believe Obama would have agreed to something like that. Also, I read that she initially was not that interested in being SOS and he had to beg her to do it, after the election. Maybe that story was put out as subterfuge, but again, I doubt it. I think there was a time after 2008 when she wanted to be done with politics, and Obama appealed to her to take the SOS position.

[dreamnightwind]

21. I've always believed the assertion the OP makes

One of the largest areas of campaign differentiation between Hillary and Obama was foreign policy. Then suddenly he wants her to be SoS? Doubt it. These kind of deals are struck, it's politics, doesn't necessarily reflect poorly on anyone.

edit to add: given the headline of the OP, it would have been nice if there was something to substantiate the assertion. I believe it, but it's still just speculation as far as I can tell.

[joshcryer]

26. I think Obama offered it so she could use it to run again.

He's magnanimous, so why not. She did OK with the reset button. Showed many countries that the US is willing to open talks. Something Bush completely let fall to the wayside under Rice.

Obama held all the cards in that situation. Many people expected him to just toss out the establishment and do his own thing, but his own thing was actually embracing the political elites, and being an uber bipartisan, magnanimous, reach across the isle type of person. We saw that with his cabinet picks. Totally unnecessary. But he did run on that platform. People just don't remember that.

[TheKentuckian]

93. When is he going to magnanimous to liberals? Seems it only applies to conservatives otherwise

it's talk to the hand, where else are you going to go?

He got a bunch of us to help pay off her debt (worst waste of my money ever, what the fuck do I care if Marc Rich got settled up square or not?) and offered her a plum position to keep her in house rather than a free agent potentially stirring up trouble once the good soldier window passed in a few months.
He also wanted a right of center cabinet and appointed just such a one chock full of the who's who of the DLC stars and some actual Republicans including Bush junta holdovers in security positions which was and is fucking nuts/wicked.

The end result is exactly the same as if there was quid pro quo or just ideological confluence so I don't care if it was or not and think no better or worse about the players involved either which way or somewhere in the middle.

[joshcryer]

27. I don't think he begged but I do believe he pressed it.

I think Clinton was totally burned out after 2008 and probably would've quit politics if Obama didn't press her to be his SoS.

I think the conversation was about how in 8 years she could try again and he'd be cleaning up the mess, and that ultimately she'd have an easy go of it. I think that appealed to her sensibilities. Frankly, given the mess Bush left Obama with, I think it was a damn good deal. She will very likely be able to enact much more change than Obama because he basically turned things around.

[democrattotheend]

118. I agree with your assessment

Given that Hillary was reluctant to accept the position, I don't think there was a quid pro quo in June of 2008 that she would support him if he would appoint her to SOS. She had to fully support him because people were watching, and she knew people wouldn't forgive her if she did (or didn't do) anything that could result in him losing. It wasn't like 2004 where her supporters could quietly sabotage/not fully support the nominee to keep the seat open for her four years later.

[Nonhlanhla]

20. That's a lie. nt.

[Nye Bevan]

22. Yep, and Karl Rove has been indicted.

You can find news on DU that is simply not available anywhere else.

[silvershadow]

23. Sounds legit. Absent evidence to the contrary, I will have to assume it is true.

#releasethetranscripts

[Fla Dem]

62. Sounds false. Absent evidence to the contrary, I will have to assume it's made up crap.

Innocent until proven guilty, at least that's the way it works in America. Socialist countries, maybe not.

#ReleaseyourTaxesBernie

[synergie]

68. Sure, and Bernie Sanders and Jane have a history of fraud and birbery. Absent evidence

to the contrary, I will have to assume it's true. #releasethetaxrecords

[msanthrope]

30. Why are you slamming the President this way? nt

[Starry Messenger]

32. Well, that was a stupid waste of pixels.

[Mike Nelson]

33. I did not hear this...

...saw President Obama's latest news conference and he did not mention Hillary's "demand." Perhaps it's the subject of his Saturday radio address...

[Lil Missy]

34. No she didn't. You made that up. n/t

[w4rma]

35. And she wanted President Obama to retire Hillary's $22 million dollar debt.

But after top surrogates asked Obama to help retire Clinton's campaign debt, amounting to more than $22 million, he asked many of his campaign bundlers to chip in to help his former rival.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/278074-clinton-to-take-hard-line-with-sanders-say-allies

[Sancho]

37. Flame bait and simply a lie.

This OP has no evidence or link. It just bash and trash - and typical of the serial OPs by uninformed propagandists.

This is a lie:

Hillary demanded a Secretary of State appointment in exchange for calling off her PUMAs.

Attorney in Texas may as well proclaim that Obama is an alien who was born on Mars.

[SidDithers]

41. There it is...nt

Sid

[Tarc]

55. I find there are only certain groups of people who trot out "Zionist" as a slur

I never expected to see those groups have a toehold in the DU, though.

[Cary]

89. Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories

Same anti-Semitic crap be behind pogroms and Hitler.

[Hortensis]

95. The far left is represented here way beyond

their numbers in the general population. Conversely, left-wing "anti-Zionism" is a rising theme outside but not on DU because it's specifically forbidden. Rather funny when you think of all the conflicting interests involved.

[Vinca]

39. I thought the exchange was for payment of campaign debts.

But nothing would surprise me.

[Orsino]

49. Well, a deal was no doubt reached...

...but we have no way of knowing what anyone's specific bargaining points were. The primary ended peacefully, and ultimately Hillary Clinton was appointed to the Cabinet.

There's no need to portray the events any more dramatically.

[Trust Buster]

54. This thread goes a long way in explaining Texas. This poster calls him/herself an

"Attorney from Texas" just to proceed to make a claim without a stitch of supporting evidence. This is how they do it in Texas folks.

[1StrongBlackMan]

60. Can you provide a source for your title? If not, why should anyone read anything beneath it? ...

I didn't and won't.

[Gothmog]

105. That is because you are a lawyer who understands why sourcing/evidence is important

You are letting your legal education get in the way of looking at amusing but baseless theories

[tabasco]

64. And then she fucked things up royally

and left Kerry a big mess to clean up.

[synergie]

65. And your evidence that she made such a demand, and that Bernie is not making demands?

Remember that he is making demands publicly, and you are merely asserting that she demanded something. We'll wait for your citation.

[lumberjack_jeff]

67. Tulsi Gabbard as VP would go a long way toward mending fences. n/t

[seabeyond]

74. When have we ever suggest a President hire someone that exclusively works against them?

Simple business model tells us what a stupid and counter productive idea that is.

[lumberjack_jeff]

80. Your expectation is that I'll vote for one. n/t

[seabeyond]

81. Your reply has nothing to do with my post. I have no expectation you voting Clinton for any reason.

[lumberjack_jeff]

85. Let's go there. I'm a white, middle-aged working class white guy with three draft age sons.

Last edited Sat May 7, 2016, 03:30 PM - Edit history (1)

I live near the coast, so climate change is a concern.

What's in her campaign for me? Not for you... but for me.

[JTFrog]

88. Because it's all about him.

At least he admits it.

[lumberjack_jeff]

97. It shouldn't be?

The main criticism of Republican voters is always "why do they vote against their best interest?"

Explain to me why Hillary is in mine.

[kcr]

123. You're a Republican voter? n/t

[lumberjack_jeff]

135. Seems like my question would have been an easy one to answer.

Working class white guy with three draft age sons. Convince me.

[kcr]

137. My question was pretty easy, too n/t

[synergie]

75. That is a non-starter. You don't mend fences by rewarding behavior like hers.

Angering and alienating your supporters who put up with her dishonesty and abuse, AND who are well aware of her history of homophobia is a pretty stupid thing to do.

Also, when you lose as badly as Sanders is doing, or at all, you don't get to dictate the VP choice. That's just not how reality works. Tulsi Gabbard has shot herself in the foot with the choices she made. They were stupid and impolitic, which is a terrible combination in a politician.

[lumberjack_jeff]

82. Refresh my memory, who did Obama hire as SoS?

Talk about rewarding shitty behavior.

[synergie]

90. Someone who did behave, to use your word as "shitty" as Tulis did. Refresh my memory,

when did a Hillary shot herself in the foot by indulging in stupid antics to embarrasss her party and say utterly false things, and homophobic things?

Oh right, she didn't, Tulsi did. Also, she's a lame surrogate with bad political skills, no diplomatic skills and not much experience and god awful judgment, who didn't bother to do her homework on the guy she endorsed to at least tailor her talking points to make her seem less ignorant.

She doesn't have the stature, the experience, the success or the standing here, plus she's just not qualified to be a VP, for the reasons stated above, plus people don't like her. Not the DNC, not voters, just some small segment of the losing faction, and you don't get to dictate things, especially not VP.

I'm sorry you don't seem to understand simple facts about what losers get, you seem to think you're working from some position of power where you get to demand appeasement, you don't.

And even if you did, the homophobe and hater with zero skills wasn't ever going to be it.

You want to mend fences? Try dialing back the hate and abuse of the candidate. That's the first step. Shitty behavior by people who literally have no clue what they're doing, and that goes Bernie on down to Tulsi, and his other terrible surrogates will not be rewarded.

You truly don't seem to understand that destroying fences yourselves doesn't entitle you to force anyone to "mend" them in your favor. That's not how reality works.

I can only imagine the howls out outrage and frothing that would go on if Hillary was in Bernie's place, losing badly, and still arrogantly demanding that his royal will be done, and the amount of abuse that would rain down on any supporter who made a demand like yours, and then responded as you did.

[lumberjack_jeff]

98. When did Hillary indulge in stupid antics and say utterly false and homophobic things?

I don't think she actually said that marriage should be between a man and a woman from the back of that pickup, but there are so many examples of both phenomena that you really shouldn't go there.

[Kaela]

109. You sound like one of Brock's paid trolls.

Lots of attacks to smear Tulsi; short on facts.

All the personal nastiness coming from you sounds exactly like what's coming from Hillary's paid trolls across social media. Tulsi backed Bernie instead of Hillary so "woe be unto Tulsi."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-hillary-clinton-paying-trolls-attack-people-online-article-1.2613980

This is a central part of Clinton’s campaign strategy: smear, demean, and try to destroy the reputation of anyone who criticizes or challenges her on the issues.

Calling Tulsi a homophobe when she's actually 100% supportive of Equality/LGBT rights is disingenuous as hell. https://www.votetulsi.com/vision#equality

Tulsi has never attacked Hillary Clinton, but looking at someone's poor judgement in the past gives one an idea of what one will do in the future. Tulsi and many others like her don't trust Hillary when it comes to keeping the US out of more regime-change wars.

[Pastiche423]

111. I don't think Tulsi would accept VP

Have you heard her speak?

[Bobbie Jo]

69. What a load.

[Loki]

73. Attorney in Texas

just left the building. I make a motion to dismiss for lack of evidence, as usual.

[JoePhilly]

76. + 1

[JTFrog]

110. Probably has weekends off. n/t

[gopiscrap]

87. I wouldn't doubt it

if Sanders loses to her, then he should demand the Vice Presidency

[George II]

91. No she didn't.

[uponit7771]

96. More right wingerish trip

[Beacool]

99. That is utter rubbish!!!!

You may be entitled to your opinions but not to your own facts.

Hillary did not want to be SOS. She rejected Obama's offer in Chicago and avoided his calls. She had drafted a letter formally rejecting the offer when Obama recruited Biden and asked him to talk to her. Biden appealed to her patriotism, asking her if she wouldn't have wanted Obama to serve if she had been the winner. Obama had told her that he would be quite busy with the domestic front and wanted someone of her international stature to lead on foreign policy.

Biden was quite open about it in one of his interviews. Both Obama and Hillary mentioned it on their own and even repeated the basics during the joint interview they had on 60 Minutes when she left the post.

[fleabiscuit]

100. Trash

[tularetom]

101. As you can see, there are all sorts of ex post facto cover stories being concocted in denial

But I suspect that what you have posted here is pretty close to the way things actually went down. Clinton is still clinging to the "I could have won, I was a lot closer than Sanders is now, but I conceded for the good of the country" fiction, and we probably won't know the truth until the parties have both passed away. I may never know since Im older than either of them.

[SaschaHM]

102. Honestly, accusing the President and the former SoS wasn't even needed.

You could have just made the demands without that unproven point. The fact that this still stands/hasn't been edited shows everything that's wrong with GD-P. Damaging, unproven accusations against our President are fine because he hasn't kissed Bernie on the cheek.

[tritsofme]

104. Well at least we have established that this OP is a shameless liar.

Her accusation is patently false

[Agnosticsherbet]

106. No link, no proof, no fact.

This post belongs at Free Republic.

[Squinch]

107. Well, now. Aren't you just the lying sack. Hmmm? (read with your best church lady voice)

[Thinkingabout]

108. Peesonally, I have more faith in both Obama and Hillary when these decisions

Were made, Hillary withdrew in June, did nit "contest" the convention, supported Obama at the convention, released her delegates to Obama at the convention, and nominated Obama at the convention. They have lots of respect for each other, Obama selected Hillary to be SOS because he respected her abilities.

I do not see any need to tarnish the works of President Obama or Secretary Clinton with this theory.

[Corey_Baker08]

112. This Is Complete Bullshit, Seriously Not True At All!

[Renew Deal]

113. Proof?

[akbacchus_BC]

116. I beg to differ, she did not demand anything. President Obama,

in my opinion, fucked up by electing her Secretary of State. Big mistake, I can understand he wanted her in his cabinet but far away. Now she is riding on the coat tails of a President whom she disliked. I could be wrong. She is not right for America, but here we go again, between two evils, whom you gonna vote for. I can never forget how Mrs. Clinton went after Senator Obama in 2008, people may forget but I cannot understand how some people feel she has their interest at heart!

[brooklynite]

119. "Party Rules" mean a lot to someone who wasn't a member of the Party until last year?

[Il_Coniglietto]

121. (Citation needed)

Assuming you have one....which looks unlikely.

[trudyco]

122. Frackinlooper would not be a good choice

Especially since the colorado courts said the towns that stood up to Fracking aren't allowed to.

[Agschmid]

125. Any link for her "demand"?

[riversedge]

127. Take down your post. You look beyond foolish for making up stuff without any evidence! Is this

what a Sanders fans will do?? Shame on YOU.

[SharonClark]

129. Shameful post - should delete this factless accusation