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KoKo

(84,711 posts)
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:36 PM May 2016

Hillary Clinton and Henry Kissinger: It's Personal. Very Personal.

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Hillary Clinton and Henry Kissinger: It's Personal. Very Personal.

The Clintons and the Kissingers regularly spend holidays together at a beachfront villa.

by David Corn--"Mother Jones"

At Thursday night's Democratic presidential debate, one of the most heated exchanges concerned an unlikely topic: Henry Kissinger. During a stretch focused on foreign policy, Bernie Sanders, the senator from Vermont, jabbed at former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for having cited Kissinger, who was Richard Nixon's secretary of state, as a fan of her stint at Foggy Bottom.

"I happen to believe that Henry Kissinger was one of the most destructive secretaries of state in the modern history of this country," Sanders huffed, adding, "I will not take advice from Henry Kissinger." He referred to the secret bombing of Cambodia during the Vietnam war as a Kissinger-orchestrated move that eventually led to genocide in that country. "So count me in as somebody who will not be listening to Henry Kissinger," Sanders roared.

Clinton defended her association with Kissinger by replying, "I listen to a wide variety of voices that have expertise in various areas." She cast her interactions with Kissinger as motivated by her desire to obtain any information that might be useful to craft policy. "People we may disagree with on a number of things may have some insight, may have some relationships that are important for the president to understand in order to best protect the United States," she said.

What Clinton did not mention was that her bond with Kissinger was personal as well as professional, as she and her husband have for years regularly spent their winter holidays with Kissinger and his wife, Nancy, at the beachfront villa of fashion designer Oscar de la Renta, who died in 2014, and his wife, Annette, in the Dominican Republic.

This campaign tussle over Kissinger began a week earlier, at a previous debate, when Clinton, looking to boost her résumé, said, "I was very flattered when Henry Kissinger said I ran the State Department better than anybody had run it in a long time. So I have an idea about what it's going to take to make our government work more efficiently." A few days later, Bill Clinton, while campaigning for his wife in New Hampshire, told a crowd of her supporters, "Henry Kissinger, of all people, said she ran the State Department better and got more out of the personnel at the State Department than any secretary of state in decades, and it's true." His audience of Democrats clapped loudly in response.

It was odd that the Clintons, locked in a fierce fight to win Democratic votes, would name-check a fellow who for decades has been criticized—and even derided as a war criminal—by liberals. Bill and Hillary Clinton themselves opposed the Vietnam War that Nixon and Kissinger inherited and continued. Hillary Clinton was a staffer on the House Judiciary Committee that voted to impeach Nixon, and one of the articles of impeachment drafted by the staff (but which was not approved) cited Nixon for covering up his secret bombing of Cambodia. In the years since then, information has emerged showing that Kissinger's underhanded and covert diplomacy led to brutal massacres around the globe, including in Chile, Argentina, East Timor, and Bangladesh.

With all this history, it was curious that in 2014, Clinton wrote a fawning review of Kissinger's latest book and observed, "America, he reminds us, succeeds by standing up for our values, not shirking them, and leads by engaging peoples and societies, the sources of legitimacy, not governments alone." In that article, she called Kissinger, who had been a practitioner of a bloody foreign-policy realpolitik, "surprisingly idealistic."

This Clinton lovefest with Kissinger is not new. And it is not simply a product of professional courtesy or solidarity among former secretaries of state, who, after all, are part of a small club. There is also a strong social connection between the Clintons and the Kissingers. They pal around together. On June 3, 2013, Hillary Clinton presented an award to de la Renta, a good friend who for years had provided her dresses and fashion advice, and then the two of them hopped over to a 90th birthday party for Kissinger. In fact, the schedule of the award ceremony had been shifted to allow Clinton and de la Renta to make it to the Kissinger bash. (Secretary of State John Kerry also attended the party.) The Kissingers and the de la Rentas were longtime buddies. Kissinger wrote one of his recent books while staying at de la Rentas' mansion in the Dominican Republic and dedicated the book to the fashion designer and his wife.

The Clintons and Kissingers appear to spend a chunk of their quality time together at that de la Renta estate in the Punta Cana resort. Last year, the Associated Press noted that this is where the Clintons take their annual Christmas holiday. And other press reports in the United States and the Dominican Republic have pointed out that the Kissingers are often part of the gang the de la Rentas have hosted each year. When Oscar de la Renta died in 2014, the New York Times obituary reported:

More At:
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2016/02/hillary-clinton-kissinger-vacation-dominican-republic-de-la-renta




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Hillary Clinton and Henry Kissinger: It's Personal. Very Personal. (Original Post) KoKo May 2016 OP
Yuck bigwillq May 2016 #1
Yuck is right pmorlan1 May 2016 #3
She hangs out with a lot of war criminals bigwillq May 2016 #5
Nixon's Madman Theory really came FROM Kissinger Baobab May 2016 #16
You can't be Secretary of State and not deal with Kissinger. Gomez163 May 2016 #2
You're entitled to your opinion pmorlan1 May 2016 #6
Bull...he has not been in office since January 1977... leftinportland May 2016 #13
Community? Or, gang? Cabal? Syndicate? Mafia? Criminal Enterprise? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #36
I'm sure she vacations with Rumsfeld, too XemaSab May 2016 #48
Stomach turning cali May 2016 #4
How revolting. Heaven help our troops and their families that will rhett o rick May 2016 #7
So, if Clinton wins the election, we will go to war with Iran and then Russia, Rick? zappaman May 2016 #32
When it happens you will ... Silver_Witch May 2016 #39
I'm still reeling from the war Obama started with Syria! zappaman May 2016 #41
I was sad that Obama started another war, Silver_Witch May 2016 #42
One of the things I have never agreed with, is criticizing politicians BootinUp May 2016 #8
He's hardly just another politician. He committed and got away with war crimes. cali May 2016 #9
I am not interested in defending his record. Thanks. lol. BootinUp May 2016 #11
Wow. Disturbing. Hill fan devotion impairs judgment and veracity. cali May 2016 #14
I already conceded to the DU groupthink. Thanks. BootinUp May 2016 #15
Sorry, I don't do groupthink. And that is obvious by the attacks from both camps cali May 2016 #17
I'll pass, on your advice. nt BootinUp May 2016 #18
I'm sure you will. Hill fans have excuses for hill for everything. Sad. cali May 2016 #21
I could of course type out a similar insult, BootinUp May 2016 #22
You did that with.your groupthink insult, dear. cali May 2016 #24
Whatever you say, dear. BootinUp May 2016 #26
Apparently, some here work in a land where they're encouraged to spit on their colleagues... grossproffit May 2016 #19
He's a war criminal. I had no problem with Ruth Bader Ginsberg being close friends with cali May 2016 #30
Friendly relations? Silver_Witch May 2016 #43
There are far better ways to judge political leaders. nt BootinUp May 2016 #47
What does the devil's Fairgo May 2016 #10
Chicken. grossproffit May 2016 #20
There's a lot about the Clintons we didn't know about. pacalo May 2016 #12
I worked with two young Cambodian refugees back in the 80's. redwitch May 2016 #23
+1 cali May 2016 #25
Carpet bomb and cluster bomb having a love in. redwitch May 2016 #27
I don't think you could find a single DU Hillary fan who finds her close friendship with him cali May 2016 #31
It's a personality cult. HooptieWagon May 2016 #34
Kissinger is an evil man leftinportland May 2016 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Califonz May 2016 #29
Raaaaalllllffff! tabasco May 2016 #33
And don't even get me started on Chile! redwitch May 2016 #35
Lowest of the low. Scum of the earth. JEB May 2016 #37
You really don't like Hillary, huh? bigwillq May 2016 #40
I really don't like Kissinger. JEB May 2016 #46
Their relationship should tell you all you need to know. Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #38
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #44
Um, yeah, got it. Sure. Was Kevin Bacon there? Darb May 2016 #45
Like this hasn't been posted before dlwickham May 2016 #49

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
16. Nixon's Madman Theory really came FROM Kissinger
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:07 PM
May 2016

Now they are trying to rehabilitate Kissinger (example: http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/03/25/madman-in-the-white-house/ ) Because Cambodia, Argentina, etc.

 

Gomez163

(2,039 posts)
2. You can't be Secretary of State and not deal with Kissinger.
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:41 PM
May 2016

He is part of the foreign policy community. You don't shut anyone out.

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
6. You're entitled to your opinion
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:43 PM
May 2016

Not only does she deal with him within the foreign policy community but she vacations with him. Does everyone have to vacation with him too? Of course not.

leftinportland

(247 posts)
13. Bull...he has not been in office since January 1977...
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:03 PM
May 2016

He is a former security advisor and was SOS for Gerald Ford...a has been who can't leave the United States for fear of being arrested as a war criminal.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
7. How revolting. Heaven help our troops and their families that will
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:44 PM
May 2016

be called on to go to fight for corporate profits. Iran first then off to Russia.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
32. So, if Clinton wins the election, we will go to war with Iran and then Russia, Rick?
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:42 PM
May 2016

Wow.
You're a regular Nostradamus!

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
39. When it happens you will ...
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:45 PM
May 2016

...be laughing out the other side of your face - or you will rejoice in war and hatred.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
42. I was sad that Obama started another war,
Fri May 6, 2016, 11:05 PM
May 2016

as if one in Afghanistan was not enough or our continued involvement in Iraq. It is horrible.

I like Obama, I do...I wish he would not continue war and my fear with Hillary is even more war. I know you all don't think it is real war, but it is.

BootinUp

(47,143 posts)
8. One of the things I have never agreed with, is criticizing politicians
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:53 PM
May 2016

because of what other politicians they have friendly relationships with. Why?

1) Because I wouldn't want someone criticizing me for that.
2) Its actually a sign that our government might be able to function reasonably well imho.

But I am sure I am crazy or just a deluded Clinton defender so, never mind.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
14. Wow. Disturbing. Hill fan devotion impairs judgment and veracity.
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:04 PM
May 2016

War criminals are such a hoot!

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
17. Sorry, I don't do groupthink. And that is obvious by the attacks from both camps
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:11 PM
May 2016

She is close friends with a war criminal. That should disturb any thinking person. I'm not saying that fact alone should be determinative, but it should disturb you.

BootinUp

(47,143 posts)
22. I could of course type out a similar insult,
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:19 PM
May 2016

but I already said what I wanted to so go bully someone else.

grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
19. Apparently, some here work in a land where they're encouraged to spit on their colleagues...
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:15 PM
May 2016

or kick them in the ovaries or balls.

Working in La La Land has its benefits.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
30. He's a war criminal. I had no problem with Ruth Bader Ginsberg being close friends with
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:36 PM
May 2016

Scalia. He was detestable. He was not a war criminal

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
43. Friendly relations?
Fri May 6, 2016, 11:10 PM
May 2016

They vacation together that is more than friendly relations.

It is sad you are willing to overlook not only her friendship but also that she considers him a mentor to her and seeks his advice during her service as Secretary of State.

I worry about a country that can turn a blind eye to such warning signs.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
12. There's a lot about the Clintons we didn't know about.
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:01 PM
May 2016

And thanks, KoKo, for not posting the vacation pictures.

redwitch

(14,944 posts)
23. I worked with two young Cambodian refugees back in the 80's.
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:22 PM
May 2016

Sarom and Sopia. They were so lovely and their lives had been so hard. On the days after Sarom received a letter from her sister, still in a refugee camp, she would be so sad. Her sister was having such a hard time, she had lost a leg and she wanted out of that camp so bad! Sarom was working minimum wage, her husband was not a great guy but they had all been through so much. They lost most of their families to the Pol Pot regime.

When I see Henry Kissinger's face I think of the carpet bombing of Cambodia and then I think of those lovely women. I hope they are doing better now, I hope their sweet children are thriving. I fucking loathe Henry Kissinger. And I cannot accept that the Clintons are friends with him. He's a war criminal! What the hell is wrong with this picture?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
31. I don't think you could find a single DU Hillary fan who finds her close friendship with him
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:38 PM
May 2016

even the slightest bit questionable. Now that's disturbing.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
34. It's a personality cult.
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:53 PM
May 2016

She can flip-flop, evolve, be under a criminal investigation by FBI, be bffs with Kissinger and Kochs...none of it matters to them. She can keep veering right all they way to fascist land, and they won't care. It's like a Justin Bieber fanclub.

leftinportland

(247 posts)
28. Kissinger is an evil man
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:33 PM
May 2016

Along with war crimes he also committed treason against the United States by neogotiating with the South Vietnamese as nothing more than a private citizen on behalf of Richard Nixon. This was when Nixon was still a candidate.

We all know the kind of president he turned out to be. This makes is so hard to accept her as a candidate...you're reminder doesn't help.

Casting my vote for Bernie in Oregon!

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JEB

(4,748 posts)
37. Lowest of the low. Scum of the earth.
Fri May 6, 2016, 09:00 PM
May 2016

Friends of the heinous individual should be disqualified from public employment.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
45. Um, yeah, got it. Sure. Was Kevin Bacon there?
Fri May 6, 2016, 11:18 PM
May 2016

Hogwash. He doesn't know who was there and when, it's innuendo, at best.

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