I believe that Sanders originally ran for president to get out a message...........

[socialist_n_TN]

I don't think he had any idea that his message would catch on like it has. But with that original intent, why would he drop out now? There's another month or so of campaigning and getting that message out to the public EVEN IF HE'S NOT GOING TO WIN. Why should he drop out?

[onehandle]

1. President Trump! nt

[KingFlorez]

2. And his trusty sidekick Vice President Sanders!

[morningfog]

11. Just when I think I've read the dumbest shit of the day.

There is your post.

[The Straight Story]

22. Jury results (Dumb as hell alert imho)

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And his trusty sidekick Vice President Sanders!
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Calling Bernie Trump's sidekick and vp is incredibly insulting and over the top. It is disruptive trolling flame bait.

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[hellofromreddit]

3. Check this link.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1913975

[socialist_n_TN]

4. Why does Bernie staying in and getting his message out to the public.........

automatically lead to President Trump?

[morningfog]

10. If it was the general election and he was running third party, you would have a point.

But you seem confused. That's not the case.

[scscholar]

12. That is a good parallel

I don't think either of them expected to make it this far or to have this much of an impact.

[JPnoodleman]

15. Well its a race between two conservatives so, n/t

[MikeJUofAR]

5. Drop out after the voting is done

Bernie End It After DC and #UniteBlue
Bernie Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said that “Bernie is a Democrat for life”. Welcome to the party. Now that you are a member of the party, it is time to play by the party rules. This includes the SuperDelegates (SuperDs) and how their votes are cast at the DNC. They can vote for whomever they chose. Bernie’s campaign has said the SuperDs go for the establishment candidate. Nobody would argue that Hillary is not an “establishment” candidate. Some would say she was in ’08 as well being a former First Lady and in her second term as a New York Senator. The majority of SuperDs in 2008 were pledged for Barack Obama. The second argument floated by the Bernie 2016 campaign is the SuperDs did not know him being a former Independent senator from Vermont. There are 45 other SuperDs in the Senate, over 140 in the House, the current and former governors of Vermont who either know him. Neither of those arguments from the Sanders campaign are valid. Finally how can someone who has been in Congress for over 20 years and has attended DCCC and DSCC events as an Independent not be considered an “establishment” candidate. Just because Bernie says it does not make it true.

While I respect Bernie’s right to stay in the run for the Democratic nomination until the last vote is cast in DC next month, staying in the race until the DNC in Philadelphia is absurd. Bernie compares him staying in to Hillary in ’08. The vote difference between Hillary and President Obama were closer in pledged delegates and SuperDs than Hillary and Bernie. Hillary did not tell the 28 SuperDs in NY who supported Obama, that they should support her since she won NY or those in other states she won. When Hillary suspended her campaign on June 7 2008, Obama didn’t have enough pledged delegates to secure the nomination. Hillary did not say she would campaign until the convention saying it’s a contested open convention.


I know this whole political party primary business is new to Bernie, being a Democrat less than a year, but what Hillary did by ending her campaign was about party unity. That is how Democrats #UniteBlue. Bernie is taking his campaign to Philadelphia and said he’ll try to flip SuperDs. I find it hard to believe that SuperDs would switch to support Bernie because
•He complains about the Democratic Party and the primary process not being “fair”
•He isn’t fundraising for the DNC. The DNC helps down ticket candidates which will help #TakeBackTheSenate and help Democratic candidates at the state level. Many are the very people Bernie would have to flip.
•Some supporters harass some SuperDs who have endorsed Hillary


Bernie has suggested the way the SuperDs vote should be based on the people’s vote. How would Nancy Pelosi vote if he wins CA? Should she do what Bernie suggests and vote for him? What if her district voted for Hillary? Shouldn’t she follow the will of her district? Bernie has SuperDs in states where Hillary won. I don’t hear him saying they should switch and support Hillary to follow the voter’s choice in their state. That is a double standard.


Why hasn’t Bernie realized that no matter the method, Hillary is ahead in votes, pledged and SuperDs? If Bernie isn’t able to pull off an upset and is still behind in votes & delegates in June, how is going to Philadelphia in July trying to flip SuperDs 1. democratic and 2. build party unity behind him? IT ISN’T! Again think back to ’08, Hillary stopped her campaign on June 7th even though Obama had not earned the 2117 pledged delegates needed. She did what was best to #UniteBlue.

Following April’s primaries fivethirtyeight.com looked at the pledged delegates comparing the current method with the GOP or proportional methods for pledged delegates. All three models show Hillary ahead.

Clinton

DEM rules 1662 GOP rules 1955 Proportional 1670 delegates

Sanders

Dem rules 1373 GOP rules 978 Proportional 1365 delegates

Bernie’s argument this week about continuing the campaign to the DNC is polls say he beats Trump more than Hillary. For that reason, the SuperDs should flip for him regardless of the votes and pledged delegates. The percentage of winning in polls against Trump doesn’t matter. A 7% victory in a state gets the Democrats the same amount of Electoral College votes as a 10% or 12% victory. What matters most is keeping the White House. Clearly voters in the Democratic primaries & caucuses prefer Hillary. If Bernie continues to stay behind in votes and tries to flip SuperDs to get a majority of delegates after all the votes are cast sounds like a typical politician. I never thought of Bernie as a typical politician. He is proving me wrong and I hope that his supporters are able to recognize that too.

If at the end of the primary season, if Hillary is ahead in pledged delegates and votes, Bernie should do the right thing for the party. After the voting is over Bernie you should suspend your campaign, pledge your support and say #ImWithHer.

#FightingForUs #Bros4Hillary #LGBT4Hillary #Labor4Hillary #TestedAndVetted #ReadyOnDayOne #NoJobTrainingRequired #MostQualified #UniteBlue #VoteDemInNov #VoteBlueDownBallot

[dreamnightwind]

7. He's a competitor

I'm so happy someone from the left finally actually competes, tired of token left flank candidacies that don't go after it (Kucinich, Nader, ...)

And he competes without selling out to large corporate donors, even more amazing and it shows he's not the typical politician, no matter your spin.

[jwirr]

17. You say he is not fund raising for the DNC. I am here to

inform you that he would not be able to get us to donate to that bunch of crooks. Not to mention that most of us donate to individual candidates. I personally quit donating the the DNC years ago when it became apparent that they supported only DLC/New Dem candidates.

If you do not believe me just take a look at Tim Canova and how much he has received in his run against DWS.

You want to blame this all on Bernie. Take a look in the mirror.

And just in case you think that I am some independent - I have been voting Democratic since 1960 and supported the Clintons in the 90s until they screwed my over with their welfare reform. I not longer trust either the Democratic Party (DLC/New Dem) or Hillary Clinton.

[trudyco]

19. My understanding was that SDs were in place

was to ensure the candidate with highest chance of winning in the GE is selected. Bernie certainly has a favorable argument that he is that candidate.

It is very disconcerting that Hillary had so many SDs lined up before the primaries even started. It seems counter to what superdelegates are supposed to be about. Somehow their intention got shifted to making sure the establishment candidate gets the nod, right or wrong, popular or not, best candidate for the GE or not. It is also true that Bernie has gained popularity as people become more aware of who he is and what he stands for, particularly the all important independent group. He's also fired up the young voters and it's an important segment of the population to have on your side if you want to thrive as a party.

I think he has every right to ask superdelegates to reconsider. Obama did the same thing. And I really, really hope he turns this into a movement within the Democratic party. We need our middle class back. We need leadership who gets that.

[msongs]

6. he should stay in. every day people see more of what he is REALLY like when subject to

stress.

[Doctor_J]

8. It's possible that many people, especially young ones, did not know that

Hillary is in favor of more war, TTP, TTIP, fracking, the pipeline, capital punishment, DADT, DOMA, social security benefit cuts, for-profit prisons, for-profit healthcare, and regime change in Latin America, and will seemingly lie about everything. OR, it's possible that they didn't know that there is a candidate who doesn't lie, and is against all of those things. Either way many eyes have been opened. I don't think their enthusiasm will survive a soul-crushing Trump or Clinton presidency though. Duplicity and extreme conservativism are the only way to curry favor with the people who fund the government.

[socialist_n_TN]

13. Right. As I said the message.......

The message hasn't changed, it's just gotten some popularity. If he drops out, the message goes away, at least in the MSM. And I disagree that the young won't survive a Trump or Clinton presidency. Their political innocence might be gone, but I don't think the ideas will go away.

The Dems have made it clear that they would rather have disenchanted Republicans than leftie Dems or independents. A party to the left of the Dems is almost assured. The question is about the class nature of that party.

[jwirr]

9. Totally agree. He had no idea that this was going to fly.

[socialist_n_TN]

14. Which means the message is what's important.......

That's why he needs to stay in to the end. Another month of getting the message out.

[Mnpaul]

18. Do you remember one of his first rallies(here in Mn.)

Bernie saw the line of people on the street. He was shocked that they were lining up to see his speech

[jwirr]

20. I remember that. And when he came to Duluth he was just

shocked at the crowd that greeted him. This man has been influenced by us - our donations, our love, our help and our loyalty. I have never witnessed this in the many years since 1960 that I have been involved in the Democratic Party.

This time I do not think that we are going to go home after the primaries and forget about change.

[Mnpaul]

16. He wanted someone to challenge the corporate wing of the party

When it became clear that Warren wasn't going to pick up the torch, he grabbed it and ran with it.

[silvershadow]

21. He should not, and he will not. nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

23. A lot of people are fed up with politics-as-usual and cliches about a "government of the people".

They are the "reality based community" that see how corrupt our system of government is.