2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sander supporters yell "Fuck you (7+ times)" to attendees of Hillary's rally (video inside)
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Pro-Bernie protesters became so abusive and threatening that the police had to escort the Hillary Clinton supporters to the rally.
In the video you can hear the Bernie Sanders supports yell "fuck you" at least 7 times. They lined up very close and harassed and intimidated the families who had children attending the event. You can see the police escorting people to the Hillary event to keep them safe.
Here's the link to the video: https://twitter.com/SAConScene/status/728747887383846912
Edit- Here's an article that provides more context with a couple of other videos https://medium.com/sac-media/clinton-rallies-latinos-in-east-los-angeles-b021473ff231#.dkbtkqd8x
Beacool
(30,247 posts)There were several children passing through and the Bernie supporters kept yelling "f*ck you" at people trying to get into the event.
Wow........
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Co-revolutionaries, Bros-in-arms
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Totally.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)DURHAM D
(32,607 posts)People with children had to leave before the vote was taken.
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NWCorona
(8,541 posts)riversedge
(70,180 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Hidden post just above you there.
riversedge
(70,180 posts)SAC On Scene ?@SAConScene May 5 Monterey Park, CA
Man offering freehugs comforts crying child being yelled at by protesters at Clinton rally #SOSPolitics @SOS_EnEsp
Bernie fans are yelling F**kyou as two little kids pass by in the line to the Hillary Town Hall..
https://twitter.com/SAConScene/status/728388122304598016
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)were in fact Bernie Sanders supporters.
But do keep trying.
riversedge
(70,180 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)puffy socks
(1,473 posts)copying and pasting a retort from an 80s movie.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)is a kid. Am I right?
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I'm seeing a whole lot of Sanders supporters whomseem to be supporting this kind of behavior, or at least excusing it. just curious as to your opinion.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)I also decline to judge others.
okasha
(11,573 posts)"BER-NIE! BER-NIE! BER-NIE" throughout the video just might be a clue.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)It was one person not supporters which implies many.
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nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)I wouldn't care if they were blue, green, purple or polka-dotted. If they're swearing with children walking by, it's not classy. No latino I know (or anyone of any race or ethnicity that I know) would speak like that so I'm certainly not saying it because of what the protesters looked like. It's about what they sounded like.
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nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)... that they were actually Latino. When I watched the video on one of the other threads, I wasn't even paying attention to that because I was trying to listen to what was going on.
Support them or don't support them, but it's unfair to paint everyone with a racial agenda unless they actually demonstrate that they have one. I have said elsewhere that they have every right to protest and I agreed with Mr. Sanders' comments regarding this to Ms. Maddow. However, I do not think it helps their cause to swear in front of children. There are many groups, racial, ethnic, political, social, religious, and others that have various sensitivities, but there is one group above all you really don't want to run afoul of: mothers. Especially those PTA mothers. They catch wind of this and it won't be pretty.
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nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)... and I'm the one you're talking to at the moment. I had no idea where the protest was when I clicked the video to see the swearing, nor did I know they were latino. And I don't agree with BLM protesters calling people names (or blocking highways) either. And I would say the same thing if they were white, Native American, Asian, or Italian. I don't have separate opinions about things based on the color or ethnicity of people and I never have.
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nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)... and what you're saying is their racism or hypocrisy is not relevant to me. I did not know they were Latino nor did know where the protest was, and if you were my friend on Facebook, you would know how much I've ranted about people blocking highways. I do not criticize or applaud specific behaviors based on race. I never have. For me, it's all about what it is they're actually doing and I think swearing at children, while not the most egregious thing that could ever happen, isn't the wisest choice. Moreover, I also don't think it's going to get them what they want because all anyone will remember is the swearing at children.
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nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)... however, I am not "the last year here." I am me, with my own agendas, my own policy opinions, and my own style. I am not every other Clinton supporter either. In fact, I don't support every aspect of her candidacy. I didn't embrace the death penalty the way certain far-left Sanders supporters suddenly discovered the evils of the Brady Bill.
You can try to put me in a box if you like, but you'll find I don't stay comfortable in there for very long.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)If it's for Bernie anything goes. Nice. Sucks to lose.
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Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I'd say acting like an asshole is pretty much race indepenedent.
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Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I didn't approve of it when it happened to Bernie either.
But that is entirely besides the point. Acting like an asshole isn't restricted to any particular race.
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nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)Bingo. Yahtzee!
I'm grateful for anyone this not violent but, from a public relations perspective, swearing at children will be the takeaway for that.
I've semi-jokingly said for years that one can learn everything there is to know about life from the shows Chicago and Evita.
"they both reached for the gun, the gun, the gun, the gun"
People remember singular concepts the most easily and people are going to take away form this, "swearing at children." Everything else is going to become secondary. If the goal is the "change this will bring about," to use your words, I am not sure they will have the right effect.
For me, this has nothing to do with race or even allegations about Bernie. I don't disagree with what he said to Rachel Maddow. It's everyone's right to protest. But it does matter how you sell it. You say you always support protest, but it's also clear that you understand that some types of protests are more effective than others. I would argue that some just aren't effective at all.
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nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)If they are swearing at a group of people and there are children in the group, then they are also swearing at children. It may not have been their intent to single out the children, but they clearly didn't care that children were hearing what they were saying. So that is not a lie and, more importantly, I'm pointing out that this will be the takeaway. People don't reduce it down to "they opened their mouths and uttered obscenities at a vast crowd that happened to include children." No. The takeaway will be "they swore at children."
You can't control propaganda and memes, and the court of public opinion is a powerful place. If the most egregious of these protesters had half a brain to share between them, they'd realize that this is not going to get them what they want. And isn't protest about getting something that you want?
I am speaking of all of this in a marketing sense. If I were selling Bernie, I wouldn't be selling him this way. I wouldn't be attacking superdelgates. I wouldn't be swearing in the direction of children (is that better?). I just wouldn't be doing a lot of this. Yeah, my snarky signature may not be selling Hillary but that's directly in response to the "paid operative" accusation. I give as good as I get, usually better. I have my issues with Hillary, but i have more issues with Bernie and my issues with Bernie have nothing to do with Hillary and everything to do with Bernie.
As for the paid operative thing, well, sure, maybe my name having been on the cover of the Wall Street Journal twice (no pencil drawing yet though --- still hoping for that! *whine*) makes me a shill for the 1%. Either way, the admins can easily prove I'm not a paid operative.
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nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)But I may have to go away for a few because the bogus hides have started up again. Whatever. If you can't win by strength of argument, silence opposition.
I plan to spend that time using my actually vast platform to try to sell Hillary to my fans. It will give me satisfaction.
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bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Hillary supporter writes Fuck You on internet, scares child.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Prism
(5,815 posts)You'll never ever guess which one bothers me more.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Hillary Holds Latinos for HRC event, gets protested by Latinos organized by Latinx over HRCs Honduras stance (possibly more). No one is willing to discuss why, have to feign fear at people with darker skin and loud voices scaring white people. Won't somebody think of the whittle white children!!! Quick, shred first Ammendment, hurl insults, silence voices, clutch pearls, faint, cry, mommy!
floriduck
(2,262 posts)a Hillary Clinton presidency. No sense trying to state your position because these are not reasonable people you are dealing with. Let them see their errors as they come.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Lol at people losing their fucking shit over a few fuck bombs. Y'all are not going to be able to handle Trump.
jillan
(39,451 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)while a crowd shouts "Bernie".
What's wrong with that?
Do you think the boy might have been traumatized by the event? If so, do you think not putting the boy center stage video might have been a preemptive step?
Or do you just think people shouldn't be allowed to shout "Bernie"?
DrDan
(20,411 posts)What's more troubling, imo, is how the behavior is accepted and defended here. Sure tells me a lot about his supporters.
Bernie's Bullies, indeed
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)I'm just confused.
There are two videos in the first link.
At the tail end of the first one you can hear one male twice yelling 'F.... Y...' and then something that sounds like 'anna.'
The voice sounds very much, to me, like the same voice in the second video where what appears to be a young Hispanic male with a black tank top yells the same thing repeatedly while appearing to point at another person. Then a security or police officer approaches, seems to indicate something like 'cut that out, move along' and he and possibly one or two other people who seem to be with him move away to the right.
What am I missing that identifies the actions of the guy as supporting Bernie - and what's that that sounds 'anna?'
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Their open acceptance and aggressive defense only confirms what we already knew to be true.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)How abusive and sad.
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)Kids hear swearing everywhere, literally everywhere. I've never been one to think I can or should protect my kids from language. I'm raising them to be adults, not giant-sized children.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)To speak with respect, channel their emotions positively, love and kindness.
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)about a 1816 eruption of Mt. Tambora, in Java, that threw dust into the air, turning that year into a year without a summer in Europe and America, and about the resulting famine that had people eating cats and pigeons, and about the bands of violent looters that roamed in mobs across England carrying signs that said "Bread or Blood". I teach my kids about unrest, upheaval, and about how things can get truly fucking nuts, really fast.
If my kids see people getting mad, en masse, then I hope they'll be curious about the reason.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)beedle
(1,235 posts)No? Then i guess Hillary supporters need their outrage meters adjusted.
aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Been watching it for months. The indignant denials are especially disturbing.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I'm surprised, actually, as ALL the Bernie Sanders people I know are peaceful people.
Please post their identities so I can unfriend them.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Bernie supporters.
It was not organized by Bernie supporters. It was organized by Latinx activists to protest Hillary's immigration policies, and policies in Haiti and Honduras.
It appears that Hillary supporters are deflecting from these very real issues. Silencing the voices of the protesters.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Or maybe she heard a Bernie suopporter say, "English only!" Or maybe she thought she heard someone say, "English only!"
By the time she realized she'd been used, it didn't matter. The damage was done.
It is undemocratic in the extreme when one group is allowed to smear an individual all day long and when someone points it out they get piled on by an organized gang. That is fascist.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)That's not what the Bernie people there said:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1914998
Manufacturing outrage matches how the Clinton camp is even staging opinion pieces:
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/05/06/pro-clinton-super-pac-caught-astroturfing-social-media-op-ed-pages
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)This video PROVES IT!
Post it every time one of them tries to deny it!
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)It's been great schaudenfreude watching the slow end to Bernie's little oddessey.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)while the Bernie mobs are silent against the fascist Trump.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)both are cozy with Wall Street & Corporate America (Hillary may well be more willing to do thei bidding because she wants their money - Trump is already a billionaire). Trump is certainly not a religious right wing nut, although I'll grant you he's a racist POS, which Hillary - despite her I'll-advised racial humor - is not.
For people like me who see economic justice as the #1 issue facing America, Hillary is simply unacceptable as the nominee of the Democratic Party. If the party wishes to drift center-right towards the 3rd way corporatist utopia, well, a lot of progressives will probably bail.
Politics is a contact sport - trust me if the special snowflakes who love HRC so much are getting upset with the kid gloves their candidate is being handled with now, wait until Trump opens up with BILLIONS of attacks on Hillary's honesty (already not a strong suit in most polls), business dealings, fundraising, and lack of accomplishments as Secretary of State (the first time she was asks to cite her crowning achievement as SoS she practically swallowed her tongue, and if she can't think of anything.. Yikes!).
Hillary is a seriously flawed candidate, and typically the more she is exposed to the public, the higher her negatives soar. She's simply not a likeable person (or at least her public persona is crap, and the fact that she is unable to modulate her tone when speaking do her no favors). Sorry to rain on your parade, but that's just the way much of America - progressive, conservative, and moderate alike - sees her.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Make up your mind please.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)Peregrine Took
(7,412 posts)911? Call in the Marines? Oy!
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Or, maybe, they were just asserting their first amendment rights.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)kiva
(4,373 posts)during the Clark County Democratic Convention...and yes, there were children nearby.
Can we stop playing "Gee, candidate X has a few asshole supporters" yet?
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Were they scared....did the big police have to shoot the protestors.
Please get over this blatant over exaggeration. So some people yelled and oh my gosh they did it seven times.
If Hillary and her supporters are so sensitive that they can't be exposed to the "f" word or are not willing to read signs that tell the truth about their candidate than Hillary should do what Bush did and put the protestors in a special area away from her speeches.
Heck - she is courting Bush's supporters and contributors so why not go full on Bush and ban protesters.
If Hillary is a strong feminist as she proclaims she better put on her thick hide and learn to take it and stop playing the "victim card".
No one was hurt and the poor woman and children got to see Free Speech at its best - educational one might say.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)The two videos in your first link feature one male (first video, only identifiable by voice, second video, some other characteristics, looks like a young Hispanic male), pointing at someone and yelling
"F... Y...", followed by something that sounds, to me, like 'Anna.'
Definitely unacceptable behavior with kids around, but what connects it to Sanders supporters? It looks like the person is yelling it at another person, specifically.
What do I have wrong here?
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)But the title of the OP isn't 'People show up outside Clinton rally and chant "Bernie, Bernie."
It's this:
"Bernie Sander supporters yell "Fuck you (7+ times)" to attendees of Hillary's rally (video inside)"
So, again, what's going on with the one guy who seems to be yelling 'F... Y..' and then something like 'anna,' while apparently pointing at someone? It also sounds to me like the "Bernie" chanters are gathered somewhere other than where that guy was.
Because I can't see or hear anything putting what that guy is doing in specific context.
There's something more specific happening, I think, that is indicated by those videos, than the broad claim made in the OP title.
That's what I'm asking.
leftinportland
(247 posts)Who they support in the primary is imaterial.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)by shutting down others.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)some political operative could have hired them to do this. Either way, under the current dire circumstances for our democracy, I am ok with it. I might be hoisting my upside-down-flag again soon, like so many of us did way back when in the earliest days of DU.