2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHere we go.. I knew this was coming.. the media pumping up Trump to ensure we have a horse race.
"Unlike Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton Lacks A Simple, Clear Economic Message"
http://www.npr.org/2016/05/07/477034130/unlike-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-lacks-a-simple-clear-economic-message
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The headline should be "Unlike Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton is not a vile vulgar megalomaniacal lunatic who only has hot button sound bites as ideas".
This is going to be a long painful campaign thanks to our pathetic media who created Trump now will keep in the game until November.
PS.. Hillary needs to focus on the general to deal with things like this or else Trump is going to get a head start.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts).
You can barf all you want but the press has decades of opposition research that university Po li-Sci folks know.
These are the same opposition records that one must assume the Republicans have.
Now, mix in that most every major news outlet leans GOP or is Republican owned, and there will be many surprises.
The mid-October ones are going to be the most interesting to see play out.
So many people here are blinded by HRC-only or SBS-only mentalities that they've blinded themselves to nuance.
There is a severe lack of objectivity and clear critical thinking, just my side - your side type elementary thinking.
The best thing for the Dems right now is having Trump as an opposing candidate, else we'd probably lose.
But, when Trump pivots centrist for the GE, and tones down the rhetoric, people will flock back, they always do.
This is typical, swing slightly left or right during the primary and once nominated, shift center for the General.
So, while everyone is cheering how the Democrats are going to sweep elections, I have some concerns.
Just as we've seen a media blackout on SBS and a dimming towards HRC, favoring the Republicans, the
media will shift the lion's share of their news coverage to favor the Republicans during the General Election.
Sit back for a rough ride.
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DCBob
(24,689 posts)He is a lunatic and is dangerous for the future of this country and the world.
TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts).
It still won't change the realities that the Democratic Party no longer is a product of its base.
These are the institutional constructs of present-day politics and they will not change anytime soon.
The Democratic Party screwed the pooch when they disenfranchised so many voters by prevented same-day voter registration, cheered on voter purges, and laughed at Millennials during the Primaries, as several here did--for what? So a certain candidate getting elected while taking their eyes off of the primary objective --retaining the White House.
Those same voter issues, state law restrictions, fugazi tallies, etc. will carry to the General Election and seriously favor the Republicans. If I were purged from my Primary, I would sit out the General, since my party apparently ejected me. I know there will be a subset of NY, AZ and other Dems sitting the General out, we just have no way of knowing the damage the DNC and state parties did.
With two such weak and generally disliked General candidates, this election seems a toss-up right now.
The DNC might have handed the election to the Republicans.
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DCBob
(24,689 posts)I do agree the DNC needs to open up to allow some new blood, but this year, this election, Hillary is our best candidate.
TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts).
HRC is strong with older Democrats and minorities, but lacks in almost every other demographic.
Here attraction of voters of other party affiliations is woefully inadequate.
Again, the Democrat's saving grace is that Trump is their candidate. Not something to be proud of.
But, with grooming by the RNC, Trump will do well in the General.
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DCBob
(24,689 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts).
http://www.gallup.com/poll/188096/democratic-republican-identification-near-historical-lows.aspx
And in states...
There are 31 Republican Governors versus 18 Democrat Governors and 1 Independent.
There are 31 Republican controlled State Houses, 11 Democrat Controlled, and 8 Splits.
While you strive for Democratic Party purity, it is toxic in this current environment.
Due to gerrymandering, voter ID and suppression laws, higher primary turnout, money and media...
the GOP holds an advantage.
Alienating the Millennials and the Independents during the Primary season is a boneheaded DNC/Dem move.
Let's see if we are forced to reap what they've sowed.
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DCBob
(24,689 posts)But yes.. she will need more than that to win the general and so far from all indications she will win easily against Trump.
TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts).
One is tied to the other.
Pretending they are separate and unrelated is a mistake.
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DCBob
(24,689 posts)Im not worried about the general.. Hillary will win easily. Bernie on the other hand I suspect would have been roasted by the GOP attack machine.
Good we dont have to worry about that!
TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts).
If you were lost in my comments, then you lack the skills to entertain complex issues.
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DCBob
(24,689 posts)I dont play with people who insult me. Get lost.
TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts).
I was just wondering how long you would "play" until spinning back to your Rah! Rah! talking point.
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TheCowsCameHome
(40,167 posts)She has enough support already.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)There's many, many folks who are pulling for Trump. There's a lot of anti-DEM, anti-establishment, anti-government sentiment in this country right now. They want change. They feel Trump offers them that.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)That's why the media needs to expose Trump for what he is.. a charlatan.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)CanonRay
(14,084 posts)just like his followers.