Latest Delegate Count: (Also, Clinton narrowly won Guam for a gain of 1).

[silvershadow]

https://johnlaurits.com/2016/05/07/the-after-math-guam/

[Gomez163]

1. Bogus count. Doesn't include superdelegates.

[silvershadow]

2. They haven't voted yet. nt

[Gomez163]

3. Nor have the pledged delegates. Not buying the Bernie spin.

[virtualobserver]

5. "If somebody has the majority of the delegates from the votes of the people....

I think that you change that to your peril," she said. "Whatever party you are."

Nancy Pelosi

Let's see if Hillary can win the pledge delegates first.

[Zynx]

7. She will get there June 7th.

There's no doubt about that.

[virtualobserver]

10. we will see

[Zynx]

12. Unless she gets wiped out in CA, it's a done deal.

[virtualobserver]

14. That is the point...there are so many delegates being chosen on June 7th.

Hillary has taken her foot off the gas pedal.....and the Republican race is over.

Anything could happen.

[Zynx]

16. Not really, no.

And CA has been a pretty good state for her polling wise. Plus a big chunk of the vote comes in by mail way before election day.

[virtualobserver]

19. They aren't correctly polling the level of independents...and Hillary supporters are complacent.

Bernie supporters are not.

[Hortensis]

32. Bernie CANNOT get enough delegates to win.

That milestone was passed with Indiana. He needs more than are still available.

And no to the superdelegate fantasy. Not going to happen.

[virtualobserver]

33. he only has to win a majority of pledged delegates..

the supers will not override that.

[Hortensis]

36. He CANNOT. Since Indiana he needs more delegates than

are still out there to win. If he had won 100% of Washington State's delegates and won 100% of California and all the other states still to vote, they still would not be enough to get him to the magic number.

For him, the election part of it is over. Hillary still has to pick up a few more delegates, but she only needs a fraction of the ones still available. At the convention Hillary will be nominated.

Bernie no longer pretends he could win by wooing superdelegates, which was always impossible. He instead promises to fight to get his progressive ideas into the party platform. He also wants a plank for open primaries.

[lagomorph777]

43. Sigh...debunking the lie one more time:

Delegates Total Clinton Sanders
Elected Delegates 4051 1705 1415
Superdelegates (712) (523) (39)

Remaining elected delegates: 4051-1705-1415 = 931.

To reach 2026 (the majority of elected delegates):
Bernie needs 611, or 66% of the remaining delegates.

In Bernie Math, 66% < 100%.

I guess in Hillary Math, you just make up any crap you want.

[Hortensis]

44. Believe what you want, but strap a pillow

to your derriere just in case, ok?

[lagomorph777]

45. It's not an opinion or a "belief"; it's an objective numerical fact.

Whether 66% is realistically acheivable is a completely different question.

I'm getting tired of GOP-style attacks on objective verifiable provable fact.

[silvershadow]

15. I would settle for an accurate accounting first. Let's see where all the disenfranchisement scandal

s land, shall we?

[morningfog]

24. The pledged are fixed, the supers not.

Don't play dumb as shit. Whoever wins the pledged delegate race will win the support of enough supers to be the nominee.

In the unlikely event Bernie takes the pledged delegate majority, he will be the nominee.

[dchill]

27. What a ridiculous and specious claim.

Superdelegates, as illegitimate as they are, don't vote until the Convention. Therefore, to count them is disingenuous at best. But you know that. "Bogus count" is a count you don't like, basically.

[KoKo]

4. Thanks! n/t

[silvershadow]

21. yw! nt

[JimDandy]

6. Thanks for introducing me to him... I enjoy his posts. n/t

[silvershadow]

20. You are welcome. He does an an interesting take on things. nt

[fizzlerynx]

8. I do not think the author added in the 31 delegate net gain Sanders had today with WA

[onenote]

11. He added them even before today.

Really. Today's allocation of Washington delegates was not a surprise. Most estimates of delegates already had allocated them.

[Zynx]

17. His Washington delegates have been baked in since the caucuses

This was just a formality.

[CrowCityDem]

9. Narrow? She won Guam 60-40, four times the Indiana margin.

[Kittycat]

28. Delegate math

We don't run presidential preference by popular vote in the Democratic Party, yet. It's awarded by delegates. Caucuses for example, don't even report accurate turnout in some cases, just delegates awarded. Until the system is different, this is what we have. Hope to help

[CrowCityDem]

38. True, but she won 57% of the delegates. If that's 'narrow', Bernie's "big win" is basically a tie.

[AzDar]

13. K & R

[politicaljunkie41910]

18. A win is a win. Narrowly doesn't matter. Ask Bernie how many states or caucuses he's narrowly won.

[Demsrule86]

26. She beat him by 20 points.

[Kittycat]

29. 1 delegate. You know how we award points.

[Demsrule86]

30. It was not a close primray

Now was it? 20 points is not close and you know it...she has enough delegates.

[Kittycat]

31. It was 1 delegate.

My state was less that 2pts, and she was awarded more. That's how we measure them in regards to the math, that HRC supporters like to talk about. That's what the article referenced, so if you have trouble understanding that. I can't help you.

But please have a good remainder of the evening.

[Tiggeroshii]

34. You are confusing the popular vote with the delegates required to win.

Sure, a win is a win, and nobody is denying she won. She also only gained 1 vote -which isn't helpful considering Bernie gained at least a dozen delegates over Clinton from his "narrow" Indiana win.

[Fla Dem]

42. For Bernie, a narrow loss, is as good as a huge loss. He has to win delegates by 70% or more to

ever pull ahead.

There are 1102 delegates remaining after Guam.

BS currently has 1420 regular delegates.

IF he were to win even 60% of the remaining delegates he would be at 2081 delegates.

HRC currently has 1705 regular delegates.

If she was to win only 40% of the remaining delegates she would have 2146 delegates.

BS is not going to win 70% of the remaining delegates, nor 60% and not 50%.

The math just does not work for him no matter how you crunch the numbers.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/

Even the article says BS has to win 65% of the remaining votes and that's just not going to happen. So any election he doesn't win by at least 65% is a loss for him.

[joshcryer]

22. Ironically, Guam's superdelegates go with the popular vote.

So they just announced their support for her today.

[Tiggeroshii]

35. As should the delegates from every state. It's just the right thing to do, and I am glad they are

setting that example.

Now how about all the super delegates in Washington, New Hampshire, Hawaii, Colorado, Vermont, Maine, Indiana, Wisconsin, Rhode Island, Michigan, Wyoming, Utah, Nebraska, Kansas, Idaho, Alaska and Minnesota do the same?

And in fairness, the few in the states that Clinton won who support Bernie should also do that. =)

[Buzz cook]

37. If supers had to vote with their states Bernie would still be behind.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/12/what-would-happen-if-superdelegates-had-to-vote-for-the-candidate-who-won-their-state/

Seriously don't you know how to google?

[Tiggeroshii]

39. Not by 700 delegates

Seriously don't you get that outrageous disproportionality unfairly favors the frontrunner?

[Buzz cook]

40. Make up your mind

Either allocating supers by state would put Sanders ahead or it wouldn't.

[Tiggeroshii]

41. Never said it would

But a gain in 500 delegates is a good start

[Nye Bevan]

23. Congratulations to Hillary on winning Guam!

Thanks for posting this!

[Demsrule86]

25. She won Guam by 20 points...according to

60-40. That is not a narrow win...and one less for Bernie who really needs delegates.