Hillary Clinton Email About Gay Parents Should Seriously Trouble Her LGBT Supporters...

[AzDar]

From The Link:

In late 2010, the State Department made an exceedingly innocuous change to U.S. passport application forms. Instead of listing “Mother” and “Father,” these forms would now list “Parent 1” and “Parent 2.” The change, the department declared, was “in recognition of different types of families”—namely, families with same-sex parents.

Then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was furious. In a recently released email, Clinton proclaimed that she would not defend the decision, “which I disagree w and knew nothing about, in front of this Congress.” She then wrote that she “could live w letting people in nontraditional families choose another descriptor so long as we retained the presumption of mother and father.” Failure to act immediately, she fretted, would lead to “a huge Fox-generated media storm led by Palin et al.” (The department quickly reversed the decision, apparently appeasing the secretary.)

It’s easy to sympathize with Clinton’s concern about a conservative media maelstrom and insist that, at most, Clinton displayed cowardice, not animus. Four years ago, defending LGBT rights was still a somewhat risky proposition; even President Barack Obama was still too timorous to say that gay Americans should be afforded their constitutional right to marry. But if Clinton was only nervous about political blowback, her choice of words is curious. Why note that she “disagree[d]” with the decision? Why say—hesitantly, almost begrudgingly—that she “could live” with letting gay parents use a gender-neutral form?

Clinton’s decidedly non-inclusive language might be forgivable if she had a sterling track record on LGBT rights. She doesn’t. Clinton only came out for marriage equality in 2013, in what the Economist dubbed a “farcically late conversion.” Even then, she seemed to endorse the Dick Cheney position that states should be allowed to decide whether or not to deprive gay people of their fundamental right to wed. A painful interview with NPR’s Terry Gross only aggravated matters, as Clinton tried to claim that a federal gay marriage ban somehow granted states the right to recognize same-sex unions. (The act, signed into law by her husband, actually impeded states’ efforts to legalize gay marriage, which the Supreme Court recognized when striking it down)

She's A Real LEADER, Ain't She?



Full Story @ Link

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/10/01/hillary_clinton_on_gay_rights_a_new_email_is_troubling.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top

[nolawarlock]

1. Not troubled.

Are you troubled?

[dchill]

3. Of course you're not. You're not troubled by ANY of ...

Hillary's blowbackable cornucopia of ethical missteps. Nor will you ever be. It's the way you've chosen.

[Chasstev365]

27. You are SO right! If there was video of Hillary strangling a person

her supporters would insist that she was just giving the hymlic maneuver. It's a cult for some of these brainwashed fools.

[noiretextatique]

39. She could cut the throat of a cuddly kitten on live TV

And most of her supporters would not be troubled. Cuddly kitten deserved it!

[Agschmid]

54. Also a disgusting post.

[noiretextatique]

69. Sadder...it is true! Eom

[cloudbase]

49. Somebody will be having a bad afternoon.

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

That this and the cutting the throat of a kitten posts were allowed to stay by the suckers of Bernie's cock on this site while the response of an animal rights supporter (me), was deleted is bullshit. Anyone who lets either of those stay is also a real fucking cunt.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun May 8, 2016, 03:53 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I'm voting to hide this but the alerter needs to be PPR'd.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I was going to vote to hide the post until I saw the alerter's comments, which were incredibly vile, as well as more than a bit resentful over having a previous post hidden.

Boys and girls, never alert in anger.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Well, I guess this makes me a "real fucking c**t" - your words, not mine.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: HRC supporters have written cult and brainwashed comments about Bernie supporters, so let it stand.

But the alerter's comments...you deserve a pizza.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm a veterinary technician and an animal rights supporter. Hillary is dangerous for the planet.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This post is inappropriate. So is the alerter's language. Why has this place become so crude? Please hide this.

[Agschmid]

55. The alerter should be banned.

[Agschmid]

53. What a disgusting post.

[MariaThinks]

56. actually, not true. i just find the crap people make up to be repulsive

and when Bernie supporters starting attacking her voice and the way she spoke - I think that lost my support for Bernie permanently.

I actually was 50/50 at one point. good job making me 100 percent hillary

[TimPlo]

63. Wow you actually determine your vote for nomination off of

What people say? Man I base my vote on position I feel candidate represents. I really think you should also letting random people say stuff effect your vote(when not the people you are voting on) effect your vote is kinda shallow and shows a lack of caring about how someone would run the country.

[MariaThinks]

68. i'm the shallowist person on here.

[ljm2002]

43. Well you may not be troubled...

...but you are "flagged for review".

BWAHAHAHA.

[ljm2002]

50. AANNNDDDDD...

...another short-timer who is wasting no time to post snarky one-liners in support of Hillary, or more accurately, against Bernie.

Enjoy DU, it sure ain't what it used to be.

[cherokeeprogressive]

60. As the parent of a Trans Child, you're fucking RIGHT I'm troubled.

Put that In your pipe and smoke it.

[BillZBubb]

2. Everything is viewed through the lens of "What's in it for Hillary".

That certainly does not a leader make. At least not the type of leader anyone should trust.

[OhZone]

4. I'm a lesbian and I'm not troubled.

I understand the politics back just a few years. Luckily, she can evolve. She supports us.

I'm more troubled about my personal life and failings in love.

But that's not your problem.

[justiceischeap]

66. I too am a lesbian and am not troubled

It seems to me she was more concerned about how republicans would spin the change than the actual change itself.

Besides, I think Dan Savage did a pretty good job on explaining how the LGBTQ community should behave towards politicians that were late to "evolve."

He noted: “A lot of progressives are slamming Hillary for her past position on marriage equality and the rather noxious comments she made back then.”

Noting that equal rights champion Barack Obama had a very similar historic record to Clinton before his own evolution, Savage continued: “Here’s what I have to say to those who can’t understand why any gay person could possibly support Hillary over Bernie – or, like me, support Hillary and/or Bernie – when Bernie Always Had the Right Position On Marriage Equality and Hillary Used To Have the Wrong Position on Marriage Equality.

“We’re taking motherf**king yes for a motherf**king answer.”

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/02/23/dan-savage-slams-fking-moronic-complaints-that-clinton-didnt-back-gay-rights-fast-enough/

[OhZone]

67. Ohyeah! Exactly!

Good link!

[HooptieWagon]

5. Her fanclub isn't bothered by her being a neocon.

I doubt her history of homophobia bothers them either.

[rhett o rick]

12. They really don't care what she has done or what she stands for. One day she is against same sex

marriage and the next day she favors it and they cheer. Their attachment is Authoritarian Adulation. They want a tough authoritarian leader. What's ironic is that she is only tough on the 99% as she supports tough drug laws and strong sentences. She wasn't tough on Bush when we needed her to be.

[senz]

6. Wouldn't it be nice if she could take a principled, moral stand on anything?

If she could stick her neck out for those who need support and protection -- even when she fears it may be politically unpopular?

Bernie has done it his entire life.

[AzDar]

8. Right?! And she never has. She's no LEADER.

[Fairgo]

16. In a way she is a leader...

for unprincipled followers.

[AzDar]

22. True.

[mikehiggins]

10. Sanders never worried about being politically unpopular as long as Vermont kept

sending him back to Washington.

[senz]

13. Are you a Bernie supporter?

[mikehiggins]

17. Of course. Isn't everyone? nt

[mythology]

18. Like his principled stand that we didn't need DOMA based on state's rights not equality?

Or his principled stand that same sex marriage wasn't worth the fight in Vermont when Democratic leaders were calling for same sex marriage?

Very few political leaders have displayed much courage or principled stands on same sex marriage. It's sad, but true. We've come a very long way in a short time from when putting a ban on same sex marriage up for vote was considered a great way to drive Republican/conservative turnout to now where virtually every Democratic/progressive official and even a few Republicans have come out for same sex marriage.

[AzDar]

7. From The Story: UGH- the cowardice...

It’s easy to sympathize with Clinton’s concern about a conservative media maelstrom and insist that, at most, Clinton displayed cowardice, not animus. Four years ago, defending LGBT rights was still a somewhat risky proposition; even President Barack Obama was still too timorous to say that gay Americans should be afforded their constitutional right to marry. But if Clinton was only nervous about political blowback, her choice of words is curious. Why note that she “disagree” with the decision? Why say—hesitantly, almost begrudgingly—that she “could live” with letting gay parents use a gender-neutral form?


Personally, I've never believed she "evolved" on an issue she declared 'sacred' and a 'fundamental, bedrock principal'... this just furthers that belief. Like Obama has said, she'll say anything to anyone to get elected... will stand for NOTHING.

[rhett o rick]

14. She didn't "evolve", she triangulated. According to her, she has "evolved" on a lot of issues

this campaign season. She knows her followers don't care what her position is so she has "evolved" to the Left. And she will quickly "evolve" back to the right if elected.

[KingFlorez]

9. Clinton is worse than Trump

Hell, she's worse than Ted Cruz would be these issues.

[senz]

11. How can anyone dare to report what Hillary does?

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We don't talk about those things.

[rhett o rick]

15. She isn't as bad as Trump or Cruz but she still will continue the distruction of the 99%.

She will tax the 99% and cut regulations for Goldman-Sachs.

[rhett o rick]

19. What is sad is that some love her because she supports social justice. She does not.

She pretends to.

[Silver_Witch]

20. Hillary Clinton is a Born Again Christian

Her real belief will never be known. I fear her just as I fear any Devote Christian who will "love me to death". I trust her no further than I can any other rabid christian that believes they are special cause Jesus loves them.

Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. "A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation," says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. "I don't....there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics

[MisterP]

36. nothin' says Christianity like Pol Pot!

or that Moonie Alvarez Martinez, or Vides "cassocks don't stop bullets" Casanova

[Dem2]

21. Hillary slander squad working overtime

[AzDar]

24. Hilarious. Slander= Things she said/did... I guess that makes it easier to lie to yourself.

Others KNOW better, though...

[Dem2]

25. Hey, if it makes u happy

Destroy.

[AzDar]

28. Wouldn't it work ever-so-much better if Dems didn't support such a shifty candidate?

'Cause I'm at a loss as to how y'all CAN...

[libdem4life]

37. Serious case of "Who you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"

[senz]

29. Since when are FACTS slander?

You think we should all cover up for her?

Is that how to install someone in the presidency? Hide what they do?

[XemaSab]

23. Pivot, triangulate, evolve, rinse, repeat...

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/12/22/less-than-half-of-u-s-kids-today-live-in-a-traditional-family/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_adoption_in_the_United_States

[silvershadow]

26. Cue the apologists with some lame excuse in 3...2...1... nt

[AzDar]

31. Look No Further... Here they are- defending the indefensible. What's the going price on a 'soul'?

[LuvLoogie]

30. Recycling this "controversy" from last fall?

Didn't work then, and won't work now. She offered alternative wording that included gender neutral options but also allowed for those who wished to identify as mother or father.

An examination of the forms, and the transitions, they took, illustrates this very point. But rather than feed the anti-Hillary trolls, I'll be happy that she is focused and on a winning tack toward the nomination

[SharonClark]

57. Yes, this was debunked last fall but some people don't care

[SFnomad]

32. I really don't need anybody straight-'splaining to me what should be "troubling" n/t

[AzDar]

33. None blinder than those who refuse to see... I've heard that somewhere.

[SFnomad]

34. The BS cheerleaders here at DU are an example of it n/t

[noiretextatique]

40. You do not speak for all LGBT people

I find this another troubling issue about her. And why do you assume the poster is not gay?

[SFnomad]

42. I never claimed to speak for all LGBT people or any other LGBT people for that matter

You either need some better reading comprehension skills or need to slow down before you post. You'll notice I said "I" and "to me" in my post ... I didn't say "we" and "to us". You do understand the difference, don't you?

As to my assuming the poster wasn't gay ... I don't have to explain myself to you, but I just didn't believe the poster was. And since the poster replied to me and didn't say anything about it (and I'm sure the poster would have), I believe I was correct.

[tularetom]

35. She's more afraid of what Palin might say than what actual Democrats who might vote for her would

That should give you some hint as to who she listens to.

[SharonClark]

58. Palin? Yes, I'm sure they are best buds.

What utter nonsense.

[Nye Bevan]

38. Kind of like when Bernie Sanders opposed same-sex marriage in Vermont in 2006.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/10/05/bernie_sanders_on_marriage_equality_he_s_no_longtime_champion.html

We all know that he supported same-sex marriage in reality, and was only opposing it at this time because he was worried about the political blowback. And as political conditions have changed, he has, of course, evolved from this position.

[noiretextatique]

41. Dishonest...he supported civil unions

And considered marriage a state issue. He never said marriage is between a man and a woman, like Clinton. She supported civil unions as well, to be fair, but she loves to pander to conservatives, her natural affinity group.

[Nye Bevan]

44. Right, because there was less political blowback from civil unions (nt)

[msanthrope]

48. Tell me again...how, precisely, is a fundamental right a matter of states rights?

I'm asking because I can't wait to hear how the Loving decision is wrong. Lawrence too, for that matter.y

[Metric System]

51. She easily won the Village and Chelsea areas of NY in the primary. Nuff said.

[puffy socks]

52. Nope not troubled. She's entitled to her beliefs and hasn't any plans

to try and undo any rights for the LGBT community.

[anigbrowl]

59. Doesn't bother me

The existence of other family structures doesn't alter the fact that mother & father are by far the most common pairing and I have no trouble with that being the default as long as there's provision for alternatives.

[pdsimdars]

61. I don't know, a lot of them, like Ellen, seem to have ignored her whole record and jumped

hook, line and sinker onto her parade.

[Onlooker]

62. I'm more troubled about Bernie voting against to the Amber Alert system n/t

[pat_k]

64. Fear of "backlash" -- the perennial rationalizaion...

... for refusing to demonstrate the courage of their convictions.

Her objection to a necessary, and right, change in the rules is depressing, but it's par for the course for a candidate who's unofficial slogan is "No We Can't."

The Democratic "strategy" of pre-emptive surrender has done more to damage our party than anything the Republican noise machine could do to us. Their repeated demonstrations of weakness sows hopelessness and cynicism. It's the reason Democrats have been losing ground. The injuries are self-inflicted.

When will they realize that standing up for principle, win or lose, is the only way they can redeem themselves and inspire voters to come out and vote for them?

Even Bill Clinton "got it" once upon a time when he said: "When people feel uncertain, they'd rather have somebody who's strong and wrong than somebody, who's weak and right."

When will they realize that "strong and right" is the only way to win the day over "strong and wrong"?

[AzDar]

65. She's no LEADER...