Homeland Security Act (Hillary Yea, Bernie No) led to math professor's harassment

[egalitegirl]

By now, all of us have heard about the math professor on a plane who was suspected of being a terrorist for doing math. How did we get here? Is this the America we want?

This is of course due to the Homeland Security Act of 2002. Here is how Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton voted on the bill to pass the act.

H.R. 5005 (107th): House vote to pass Homeland Security Act of 2002

NO Sanders, Bernie VT


Senate vote to pass Homeland Security Act of 2002

YEA Clinton, Hillary NY

[brewens]

1. Had the Bush administration just done their job with the tools they had, there would never

have been a need for Homeland Security. They had all the clues they could possibly have needed to have discovered the plot and stopped it. Hard to do when your focus is on looting the country and setting up a big money war.

[MariaThinks]

2. Good for Hillary. At least she's trying to stop up to terrorists and acknowledges that

they exist.

who would have thought 2 young boys at the Boston Marathan putting backpacks on the ground were there to slaughter as many innocent people as they could in the name of islam.

or the san bernandino couple, who were given a baby shower and invited to a Christmas party would come back with guns and blow the people who showed them kindness away.


I now support Hillary more than ever.

[egalitegirl]

3. Clinton administration created Taliban

It has nothing to do with terrorists. Homeland Security is about TSA groping and harassing honest citizens. In fact, Bill Clinton's administration created Taliban and Hillary should take a fair share of the blame for what her husband did.

[MariaThinks]

8. revisionist history. the republicans under reagan created the taliban

are you saying they should have invaded Afganistan and destroyed the Taliban in the 90s?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. Actually it was Zbigniew Brzezinski

Actually it was Zbigniew Brzezinski who urged Jimmy Carter to start arming the Mujahadeen to oust the Russians from Afghanistan and weaken them in the process.

[MariaThinks]

12. the pertinent armification was done in the 80s under reagan.

and nothing was done to stop the radicalization of the culture being armed.

in the 80s, the Afgan people were being brutalized by the soviets. Something had to be done to help them, or watch them be butchered. But what was initially done together, fell apart after the collapse of the soviet union and the Taliban became more powerful and brutal.

However, in neither case was it Hillary's doing. And even in the 90s, she was first lady, not in the power sphere to affect wars. Even as a Senator, she was one vote in many and would not be solely responsible for a decision.

Blaming her from the Taliban is something a republican would do.

[egalitegirl]

15. The buck stops with the President

and not with some junior employee. You are right about it being Mujahideen and not Taliban because I just checked with a friend who knows a lot about foreign policy. Taliban was Bill Clinton's creation. Sad that his wife now wants to be our President.

[dsc]

21. that is flat out false

it is plain, undauterated bullshit. The Taliban were not created by Clinton, nor were they armed by him. It is just plain, flat out false to say they were.

[egalitegirl]

14. That was Mujahideen, Taliban was Clinton's creation

I just checked with a friend who is an expert on foreign policy. Reagan created Mujahideen and Clinton created the Taliban.

[MariaThinks]

16. from wikeapedia- not sure why we are blaming Clinton for Reagan and Pakistan ISI messes

The Taliban movement traces its origin to the Pakistani-trained mujahideen in northern Pakistan, during the Soviet–Afghan War. When Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq became President of Pakistan he feared that the Soviets were planning to invade Balochistan, Pakistan so he sent Akhtar Abdur Rahman to Saudi Arabia to garner support for the Afghan resistance against Soviet occupation forces. In the meantime, the United States and Saudi Arabia joined the struggle against the Soviet Union by providing all the funds.[64] Zia-ul-Haq aligned himself with Pakistan's Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam and later picked General Akhtar Abdur Rahman to lead the insurgency against the Soviet Union inside Afghanistan. About 90,000 Afghans, including Mohammed Omar, were trained by Pakistan's ISI during the 1980s.[64]

In his interview with ABC News, the ex Pakistani prime minister and Chief of Army Pervez Musharraf said that western countries, chiefly the USA and United Kingdom, had given aid of about 20 billion dollars during the 1980s to Pakistan specifically for training Taliban personnel and providing them with arms and ammunition.[65]

After the fall of the Soviet-backed regime of Mohammad Najibullah in 1992, several Afghan political parties agreed on a peace and power-sharing agreement, the Peshawar Accord. The accord created the Islamic State of Afghanistan and appointed an interim government for a transitional period. According to Human Rights Watch:

The sovereignty of Afghanistan was vested formally in the Islamic State of Afghanistan, an entity created in April 1992, after the fall of the Soviet-backed Najibullah government. ... With the exception of Gulbuddin Hekmatyar's Hezb-e Islami, all of the parties... were ostensibly unified under this government in April 1992. ... Hekmatyar's Hezb-e Islami, for its part, refused to recognize the government for most of the period discussed in this report and launched attacks against government forces and Kabul generally. ... Shells and rockets fell everywhere.[66]




- if all the attacks on Hillary are based on such flawed ideas, she'll be the cleanest President ever.

[egalitegirl]

19. Taliban was founded only in 1994

By tracing everyone to their ancestors, we can trace just about anyone who is a Muslim to Mohammed. Taliban was created only in 1994 and Bill Clinton was responsible for it.

If we start spinning facts just so we can live in a fantasy that Bill Clinton was a clean pacifist and only Republicans are to blame for everything, we would then end up with similar arguments to like Clinton to KKK simply because Southern Democrats were part of KKK. Let us not get into that but be honest and admit that Clinton was responsible for creating the Taliban.

[MariaThinks]

22. unbelievable.

[egalitegirl]

24. nothing unbelievable, Taliban was indeed founded in 1994

Taliban was founded in 1994. You can easily obtain this information by searching online.

[truedelphi]

28. But But But - haven't you heard -

If you believe in nasty facts like what you are telling us, then we can't so easily go for slogans like "Lesser of Two Evils."

[MariaThinks]

33. did you want to explain what bill clinton should have done about this in 1994?

[truedelphi]

35. Maybe there was nothing in terms of real knowledge that he could have done in 1994.

But by 1999, Bill Clinton was actively ignoring warnings about what might happen to the Twin towers in NYC.

Ever see Frontline's remarkable documentary "The Man Who Knew Too Much" ??
The man in question tried to advise the Clinton Admin about what was going on, in
terms of Taliban and other matters, like terrorists flying planes into buildings, but he was shut out.

Ironically he died on Nine Eleven.

[MariaThinks]

34. what should Bill Clinton have done about this?

[bettyellen]

13. Wasn't Carter the first to get involved in Afghanistan? Reagan surely played his part...

Clinton fucking warned Bush about OBL, and gets vilified here. You gotta love the revisionist history.

[MariaThinks]

23. its disgusting to see the hate towards clinton and so much clearly based on made up shit.

and imagine if Clinton had invaded Afganistan to take down the Taliban (which I wished he did). the same complainers would argue against that.

I really hope Hillary win the presidency.

[bettyellen]

25. They'd hate Abe Lincoln for the civil war....

[Broward]

5. The Iraq War, which Hillary voted for, led to the creation of ISIS.

So, not only is she not stopping terrorists, but her poor decision making is helping to grow their numbers.

[oasis]

7. No Hillary IRW vote, no ISIS. Got it. (nt)

[egalitegirl]

20. You are right, if no IRW and hence no war, no ISIS

Of course, there is another school of thought that Hillary funded ISIS in order to overthrow Assad. She just calls them 'rebels.' This makes sense if you realize that Assad, Putin and the Kurds are all allies and are fighting against ISIS while our government and Turkey actually bombed the Kurds who were winning against ISIS. This just does not make sense.

Let us agree that truth is the first casualty in war and USA has no business being in Syria, yet, Hillary has plunged the US in a war there.

[MariaThinks]

9. that was a bush-cheney war

the vote allowed them to make a decision on what they would do after the vote.

I don't know why some Bernie supporters want to let the republicans off their stinking war that did result in isis and a lot of the other things.

Hillary may have been a fool, but she was not calling the shots.

I'm more concerned with a candidate who vote to give gun manufacturers a free pass from liability of their death dealing product.

[truedelphi]

27. Nice information. Succinct, concise and maybe the

Low Information Voters here who prefer slogans like "Lesser of Two Evils" can get a grip on reality by thinking about what you wrote!

[Ash_F]

11. Neither of those attacks would have been stopped by harassing Italian math professors.

[oasis]

4. How many votes do you think this could cost her in the GE?

[egalitegirl]

6. Not Henry Kissinger's vote and not the Military Industrial Complex votes for sure n/t

[JonLeibowitz]

30. A DUer told me civil liberties records don't matter because poor people don't prioritize that

Therefor, it was a waste of time to talk about respect for the constitution and our civil liberties in the context of our presidential election.

[pdsimdars]

17. Bernie is always right on the important issues and Hillary is always wrong. . .

and later, when it is shown to be a disaster, Hillary apologized for her CONSTANT "mistakes". . .
And people support her for what?????
I still haven't heard it.

[Warren DeMontague]

18. Or The Patriot Act, which was supposed to fight terror and was mainly used to arrest pot smokers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/10/29/surprise-controversial-patriot-act-power-now-overwhelmingly-used-in-drug-investigations/

[madamesilverspurs]

29. Actually, it was IGNORANCE that led to the harrassment.

Specifically, the kind of ignorance that fuels the fear that the right wing runs on. Listen to any of the republican candidates, up to and especially including Trump. Their speech is all fear, all the time. And the fear reactions are based in the ignorance that republicans have been cultivating and manipulating for decades.

The woman didn't recognize algebra -- that's hardly Hillary Clinton's fault.

[egalitegirl]

32. Her fault as she created a body that encourages complaints on fear

She voted for the body that would act on complaints based on paranoia. They invented the paranoia. And you use the term right wing as though it is separate from Hillary. No one uses the term left wing for Hillary like they use for Bernie. There is a reason for this. Hillary is part of the right wing agenda of Goldman Sachs, Bush family and the Military Industrial Complex.