Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
Sun May 8, 2016, 12:59 PM May 2016

The Democratic party needs to *compromise*!

Compromise with us, We the People!

Enough of ramming their corporate
agenda down our throats.

Enough with *who else you gonna vote for*.

Enough with neo-liberal, and neo-con
destruction of our lives and the environment.

Fuck compromising with self-defeating
policies and appeasement of recalcitrant
money grubbing conservatives...
of any party.

NO
It's time that the new DLC democrat
3rd-Way corporatists compromise with us.

Who else is going to vote for them?
It's time the chips fall where they may.

Enough of the slow bleeding of the 99%
Enough of false choices and false economy.

Time to pull off the band-aid.

32 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
The Democratic party needs to *compromise*! (Original Post) Cosmic Kitten May 2016 OP
Every contest has its dead enders....We will miss you...nt Henhouse May 2016 #1
Like the middle class. Octafish May 2016 #17
How about Obama compromise on the TPP Csainvestor May 2016 #2
What specifically do you not like about the TPP? puffy socks May 2016 #3
Tpp Written by corporations in secret Csainvestor May 2016 #4
I'm doubting most people have any true idea of what's in it or who's involved. puffy socks May 2016 #5
Show me the enforcement provisions for those labor standards in the TPP Mnpaul May 2016 #6
There are only 'enforcement provisions' for the important people. appal_jack May 2016 #7
Yep. Talk is cheap. This lifelong Union labor man and his aren't buying it this year. silvershadow May 2016 #9
I see that there was no reply to my request Mnpaul May 2016 #12
And from the sock, we hear :::::::: 99Forever May 2016 #15
and a member since a few weeks ago, all we need to know. litlbilly May 2016 #19
ah smugness from a BoBer puffy socks Jun 2016 #32
I don't need to eat shit to know it's not tasty. Ed Suspicious May 2016 #27
Yes, Third Way corporatist authoritarians have been compromising away Broward May 2016 #8
Compromise, aspirant May 2016 #10
The Democratic party is corrupt as is evidenced by it's shoving a candidate with the worst negatives Dragonfli May 2016 #11
Moderate republican? Maybe by todays standards...they are to the right of Eisenhower republicans angstlessk May 2016 #13
They are indeed to the right of Eisenhower, most notably concerning war and empire, the moderate bit Dragonfli May 2016 #16
Yes, from the 3rd way to the 4th reich angstlessk May 2016 #20
I know how it is, I am on the list myself, I was hidden for posting Sander's Congressional record Dragonfli May 2016 #21
I was on 'time out'...been here since a long time...never had a post hidden till this time angstlessk May 2016 #22
Can't speak to the method, only the results, there was an off site forum where alert stalking was Dragonfli May 2016 #25
If they are 'less ethical' I wonder what their worst program would be? angstlessk May 2016 #28
The next 6 months on DU Eko May 2016 #31
Sanders lost the primary, it is time for some people here to come to grips with that Tarc May 2016 #14
No one has won or lost the primary, yet. Fawke Em May 2016 #18
I agree...Hillary supporters want us to vote for anyone but Hillary? angstlessk May 2016 #23
Yes, the primary is over, and the % of departees will be so small as to be Tarc May 2016 #24
No, the primaries are not over. raging moderate May 2016 #26
It's called #berniemath Tarc May 2016 #30
No compromise on the horizon. HassleCat May 2016 #29

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
17. Like the middle class.
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:23 PM
May 2016

They've been tossed over the side to join the poor swimming with the sharks.

Heh heh heh. And these are the wealthiest times in human history.

Csainvestor

(388 posts)
2. How about Obama compromise on the TPP
Sun May 8, 2016, 01:04 PM
May 2016

And by compromise I mean, he should just shred the TPP and get rid of it forever.

Csainvestor

(388 posts)
4. Tpp Written by corporations in secret
Sun May 8, 2016, 01:08 PM
May 2016

Written by corporations to screw Working Class People. What's not to like.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
5. I'm doubting most people have any true idea of what's in it or who's involved.
Sun May 8, 2016, 01:18 PM
May 2016

Posts like yours only adds to that perception.
Who cares if they negotiated behind closed doors? The results are not at all "secret"


The TPP includes many positive things like:

TPP requires countries to:

Protect the freedom to form unions and bargain collectively
Prohibit and eliminate exploitative child labor and forced labor
Protect against employment discrimination
Set acceptable conditions of work concerning minimum wages, hours of work, and workplace health and safety;
Prevent degradation of labor protections in export processing zones— designated areas that often have lax labor rules in other countries, allowing them to compete unfairly and combat trade in goods made by forced labor, including forced child labor, in countries inside and outside TPP.

TPP also establishes specific labor reforms that Vietnam, Malaysia, and Brunei must undertake to meet their TPP obligations. The United States will not bring TPP into force with these countries if the reforms are not made. And we will not hesitate to take action against any countries that fail to live up to their obligations in the labor chapter, including through trade sanctions.

And in addition to TPP representing a renegotiation of NAFTA by holding Mexico to the fully enforceable labor provisions listed above, Mexico is also developing parallel labor reforms, including to better protect collective bargaining and reform its system for administering labor justice.


The TPP boosts exports and economic growth, creating more jobs and prosperity for the 12 countries involved. It increases exports by $305 billion per year by 2025. U.S. exports would increase by $123.5 billion, focusing on machinery, especially electrical, autos, plastics and agriculture industries.

It does this by removing 18,000 tariffs placed on U.S. exports to the other countries. The United States has already withdrawn 80% of these tariffs on foreign imports. The TPP evens the playing field.

The agreement adds $223 billion a year to incomes of workers in all the countries, with $77 billion of that going to U.S. workers. (Source: US Trade Representative, TPP Fact Sheet)

All countries agreed to cut down on wildlife trafficking, especially elephants, rhinoceroses, and marine species. It prevents environmental abuses, such as unsustainable logging and fishing. Those that don't will face trade penalties.

http://useconomy.about.com/od/Trade-Agreements/fl/What-Is-the-Trans-Pacific-Partnership.htm



 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
7. There are only 'enforcement provisions' for the important people.
Sun May 8, 2016, 02:10 PM
May 2016

Multi-national corporations, 'investors,' polluters, and sweatshop owners all get the full force of the TPP behind them.

But Unions? They should be grateful that they even got some 'talk.'

You're right, Mnpaul. Talk is cheap. But the cost of these undemocratic trade agreements is very, very dear.

-app

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
9. Yep. Talk is cheap. This lifelong Union labor man and his aren't buying it this year.
Sun May 8, 2016, 02:19 PM
May 2016

Triangulation be damned.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
12. I see that there was no reply to my request
Sun May 8, 2016, 02:59 PM
May 2016

I'm guessing that the person who posted that drivel "had any true idea of what's in it or who's involved"

They were just regurgitating talking points with no facts to back them up.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
32. ah smugness from a BoBer
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 04:02 PM
Jun 2016


Zip file with all 30 chapters at the end of the Table of contents.



https://www.mfat.govt.nz/en/about-us/who-we-are/treaty-making-process/trans-pacific-partnership-tpp/text-of-the-trans-pacific-partnership

The TPP boosts exports and economic growth, creating more jobs and prosperity for the 12 countries involved. It increases exports by $305 billion per year by 2025. U.S. exports would increase by $123.5 billion, focusing on machinery, especially electrical, autos, plastics and agriculture industries.

It does this by removing 18,000 tariffs placed on U.S. exports to the other countries. The United States has already withdrawn 80% of these tariffs on foreign imports. The TPP evens the playing field.

The agreement adds $223 billion a year to incomes of workers in all the countries, with $77 billion of that going to U.S. workers. (Source: US Trade Representative, TPP Fact Sheet)

All countries agreed to cut down on wildlife trafficking, especially elephants, rhinoceroses, and marine species. It prevents environmental abuses, such as unsustainable logging and fishing. Those that don't will face trade penalties.
Cons

Most of the gains in income would go to workers making more than $88,000 a year. Free trade agreements contribute to income inequality in high-wage countries by promoting cheaper goods from low-wage countries.

That would be especially true of the TPP because it protects patents and copyrights. Therefore, the higher-paid owners of the intellectual property would receive more of the income gains.

The agreement regarding patents will reduce the availability of cheap generics, making many drugs more expensive. Competitive business pressures will reduce the incentives in Asia to protect the environment. Last but not least, the trade agreement could supersede financial regulations. (Source: Public Citizen, Eyes on Trade, September 12, 2013)
The Negotiators Overcame These Obstacles

There were five major sticking points that stood in the way of the deal. Here's how they were overcome.

The United States agreed to shorter patents, especially for biologic drugs. Pharmaceutical companies can keep their formulas secret for five to seven years instead of 12 years.

All stated-owned enterprises must comply with global trade standards that protect their workers and the environment. The United States had to overcome objections from Vietnam, Singapore, and Malaysia. Those countries must now allow labor unions or face penalties.

The United States, Japan, and Canada will lose some tariff protection for dairy, beef and poultry producers. Farming subsidies received by U.S. and EU companies prevented the success of the Doha round of trade talks held by the World Trade Organization. (Source: "The ABCs of TPP," The Globe and Mail, January 26, 2016)

http://useconomy.about.com/od/Trade-Agreements/fl/What-Is-the-Trans-Pacific-Partnership.htm

Now run along little one...the adults are speaking.

Broward

(1,976 posts)
8. Yes, Third Way corporatist authoritarians have been compromising away
Sun May 8, 2016, 02:18 PM
May 2016

civil liberties and the economic livelihoods of most Americans for too long. Enough with the Third Way corporate whores.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
11. The Democratic party is corrupt as is evidenced by it's shoving a candidate with the worst negatives
Sun May 8, 2016, 02:46 PM
May 2016

in the entire history of the party down our throats!

Just a few months ago I was agonizing with a question I believe many are still agonizing over now, "whether to continue supporting a now corrupt and now largely right wing party out of decades of habit and loyalty, or simply remove all ties to such a right wing, corrupt party". Of course none of us thinking this are considering an even further right wing party (quickly approaching Fascism) as an alternative, but NPA is looking saner all the time.

My agonizing is over, not because I had made a decision, no, rather because the party made the decision for me, when after 27 years enrolled in the Democratic party (and having missed only one election (in 2002 because I was hospitalized), the party took it upon themselves to change my party affiliation from Democrat to NPA sometime just before the NYS primary.

My decision made for me, in such an underhanded way simply as a means to purge me (and many others like me) from the primary voter rolls so as to favor a candidate they had chosen for us), leaving me unable to vote in my own primary after nearly three decades - cemented the decision they had already made for me.

I am now officially, without my consent, or even a polite notification that I was kicked out of the party, an "Independent voter" and because of the way it happened I may still vote for some Democrats (because some still honor my values) but I will not "rejoin" a party I never did leave by legal means, nor will I vote for Democrats that are more like Republicans in policy, the neo-liberals, and neocons, will not get my vote as they once did as my habit had been to vote straight ticket.

I loathe Republicans, so some bits of my ticket will remain blank, while others may be filled in with a candidate in line with my values no matter if they are (I) or (G). The now corrupt party will have to deal with some unexpected consequences because of their own corruption and illegal vote purges. They alone share the blame for this.

Fuck compromising with self-defeating
policies and appeasement of recalcitrant
money grubbing conservatives...

I couldn't agree more!
The party itself is becoming moderate Republican anyway

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
16. They are indeed to the right of Eisenhower, most notably concerning war and empire, the moderate bit
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:13 PM
May 2016

I referred to were regarding some social issues, but even on those, these "new" Democrats are to the right of LBJ regarding minorities as is evidenced by William J Clinton's (with the wholehearted support of Hillary Rodham Clinton I might add) war on mostly minorities crime bills and drug wars which have resulted in an industrial prison complex/industry that has more people now in prison in our county than even China, North Korea or any of the worst of the banana republics or cruel monarchies such as Saudi Arabia.

With just a bit more time, once they feel they no longer need minority, LGBT and others they pay lip service to now's votes, rest assured, they will lose any "moderation" left.

Actually, I think Hillary's courting of the Republican king makers donation's and her now near complete support of the neocons, that time may come much sooner than later.

They started by giving up the votes of the poor and working class for the professional and financial upper class votes.

They will likely abandon the Social issues votes next in order to gain the bigoted and war machine votes. (please note that although the words presented in italics are only speculative at the moment, the former have already happened and are a "done deal" in this party realignment

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
20. Yes, from the 3rd way to the 4th reich
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:45 PM
May 2016

This will be my 4th hide in 90 days...last time I was from Friday till Monday...how's that for 24 hours?

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
21. I know how it is, I am on the list myself, I was hidden for posting Sander's Congressional record
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:01 PM
May 2016

recently and a few even more minor things as well, it is simply a sign of the times.

I take a bit of comfort in knowing that many of the meanest and pettiest posters here that support the right candidate (pun intended) have over a dozen hides, I saw one that actually had twenty.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
22. I was on 'time out'...been here since a long time...never had a post hidden till this time
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:15 PM
May 2016

Heck I'm not a profligate poster...I just wonder if some posters are assigned to Bernie supporters, just to get their posts hidden, and to get them 'time out'?

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
25. Can't speak to the method, only the results, there was an off site forum where alert stalking was
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:23 PM
May 2016

coordinated by the less ethical among the Hillary supporters, but once their posts regarding such activity were linked to here, they hid the group from public view (special members only could see it after that).

I don't think that is or was the root of the problem however, just one of the branches.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
28. If they are 'less ethical' I wonder what their worst program would be?
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:35 PM
May 2016

since the 'most ethical' will do anything to ensure a hillary win

Eko

(7,281 posts)
31. The next 6 months on DU
Sun May 8, 2016, 10:33 PM
May 2016

will be so much fun, watching people just loose it will be so entertaining. Must stock up on popcorn.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
18. No one has won or lost the primary, yet.
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:27 PM
May 2016

But, if it's Hillary, you're going to see a mass exodus from the former "Democratic" Party that would make Pharaoh's head spin.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
24. Yes, the primary is over, and the % of departees will be so small as to be
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:19 PM
May 2016

a statistical insignificance.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
30. It's called #berniemath
Sun May 8, 2016, 10:10 PM
May 2016

The irrational expectation that a candidate can win 2/3rds of every pledged delegate remaining.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
29. No compromise on the horizon.
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:47 PM
May 2016

Can't you feel the hubris? The warmth of the gloating? They don't need us. We're losers. Our support of Bernie was a bother to them, an inconvenient distraction from the inevitable march to the presidency of (cue fanfare) Hillary Clinton. We have no legitimate problems with the Third Way? How could we? Just because it has made us the minority party at every level of government? Just because it abandoned the working class and middle class, and sold us out to banks and lawyers? Pffft! Nothing! Just a bunch of whining from perennial malcontents. They don't need us or our votes. We can jump off a cliff, as long as we don't vote for Trump on the way. Or maybe it doesn't matter if we vote for Trump, or don't vote, or whatever. As long as we get lost and stop bothering them. We're ruining their celebration.

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»The Democratic party need...