"Hillary Doesn't Need Bernie Suppoters"

[firebrand80]

I hear a lot of Bernie supporters claiming that Hillary and/or her supporters have said this. Could anyone please provide evidence that this has ever been said?

[JonLeibowitz]

1. It is implicit in asking Bush donors for money.

I don't support Republicans of any kind.

I hope that clarifies things.

[-none]

2. ^^^This^^^

What more can be said?

[Kittycat]

80. Bingo

What happened in NV wasn't an attempt to make sure there would be unity ever, either.

[firebrand80]

3. It been said on DU for months nt

[JonLeibowitz]

6. That doesn't make it less true.

And the news of her courting bush donors is recent as of this week. Some perhaps are better judges of character than others.

[firebrand80]

11. So has it been said?

Or not?

[JonLeibowitz]

13. Idk, you tell me.

I was explaining as of this moment why the sentiment has traction.

[AgingAmerican]

58. Here's a whole thread full for you

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511529695

[JaneyVee]

7. Operation Chaos 2016 isnt funding Hillary. Theyre funding Bernie.

[JonLeibowitz]

9. That is unrelated to my point.

[AgingAmerican]

74. There is no such thing as 'Operation Chaos'

[Demsrule86]

82. Sure there is

No question Trump supporters voted in WVA for Bernie. He would have lost without them.

[anigbrowl]

10. According to you

A perfectly valid opinion, but not one that I am obliged to treat as a fact.

I think she needs support from Bernie supporters, but she won't get all of them and that's fine because some of those votes aren't worth the effort of chasing. I presume that includes yours, so vote for whoever makes you feel good in the General.

[JonLeibowitz]

14. Not according to me, and a fact, not opinion.

Source: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/hilary-clinton-bush-donors-222872

[anigbrowl]

18. Not true, and stop being disingenuous

You do this bait-and-switch tactic a lot and I'm tired of it. It's your opinion that Clinton's solicitation of funding from bush donors implicitly means she thinks she doesn't need Bernie supporters. You're pointing out the solicitation of Bush donors as a fact but nobody is disputing that. It's the inference you draw from that which I'm pointing out to be opinion rather than fact.

I don't know whether you realize this perfectly well and are simply using a shoddy debating tactic, or whether your cognitive bias is so strong that you think your inferences have factual status. Either way, they don't.

[JonLeibowitz]

22. It's really tragic that you're tired of it, I am simply explaining why I will not support her.

To my mind, donors must believe that they share values or interests with the person they are donating to; that much is fact. What is opinion is the extent to which this compromises her ability to work in my interests.

In any case, I am replying to the OP. If you disagree feel free to ignore my posting.

[Demsrule86]

16. Nonsense

Nothing wrong in trying to get money from anyone who will give it to you...Clinton Republicans like Reagan Democrats. My hubs was a GOP at one time...luckily he saw the light and switched.

[pat_k]

24. We should applaud the Clintons' friendship with election thieves and torturers?

We should say "hunky dory" to soliciting support from those who support election thieves and torturers?

I felt ill when I saw this:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/23/bill-clinton-george-w-bush-friends-2016-elections

It exemplifies everything that's wrong with the Democratic Party. The establishment simply won't stand up to their Republican "friends." God forbid, you might get dirty looks from across the room at a cocktail party.

[Bluenorthwest]

64. You say "Clinton Republicans like Reagan Democrats" and that does explain this:

But every single word she said there is false, it's all totally untrue. Reagan spent seven years in silence on AIDS while tens of thousands of Americans died and thousands more marched in the streets trying to get Reagan to take action. Seven years.
So while that might please your hubs, it is a big turnoff for those of us who buried so many friends.

[Demsrule86]

69. old news

But yeah it sounds like even then she was trying to win some over even then. And keep in mind that Reagan Democrats stayed with the GOP for 12 years until Clinton who only won because of Perot. Nancy has said she disagreed with her husband on aids...it was in several books too...but neither Nancy or Ron did enough. I will take any voter who want to vote Democratic. I don't have purity tests like you guys.

[apcalc]

26. Taking their money

Isn't supporting them....

I doubt she'll get any....but they do want to see Trump defeated....

[msongs]

36. false statement reduces your subsequent remarks to irrelevancy nt

[840high]

39. Bam!

[Demsrule86]

81. That is silly

Money is money...Bernie is supported by Trump. Does that make him a Republican?

[Thinkingabout]

4. It would be interesting to see proof. Hillary is working hard to unite the party.

[-none]

5. Which party?

Or is it both parties?

[Beowulf]

8. You are being ironic, right?

[Jackilope]

12. :-) LOL!

[Demsrule86]

17. Nothing Hillary did would ever be enough

you seek the pure the perfect...and I sure don't get why you think Bernie Sanders represents this.

[JPnoodleman]

30. I seek someone whose word I can actually trust. n/t

[Demsrule86]

71. Hard for me to understand why you picked Bernie

If that is the case...I don't trust anything he says and dislike him.

[JPnoodleman]

75. Then it appears we are at an impasse. n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

38. She could go with the majority of Americans who support marijuana legalization, and come out for

full descheduling of cannabis under the CSA instead of a token move from I to II (which does nothing to reconcile the conflict btw federal and state law, or protect medical marijuana users from continuing to be sent to prison in states that have legalized, etc)


Hell, it would help her with Millennials, bigtime. And also in Colorado, which is a swing state.


but apparently that's a bridge way too far.

[Demsrule86]

72. really

I would like that but we couldn't even get it through in Ohio.

[Warren DeMontague]

76. Ohio? Are you fucking kidding me? That was a massively craptastic initiative.

Half the legalization proponents in Ohio were opposed, and rightly so, because it was a flat-out giveaway to the 10 biggest donors.

Here's a hint: when Willie Nelson is opposed to your pot legalization initiative, you need a better initiative.

I get the feeling the people who think pot legalization is some ridiculous notion havent been west of the rockies any time lately.

35 million Californians are going to vote on it in November. Maybe pay attention to that.

[Demsrule86]

83. Right we have to wait for the 'pure' legislation

Too late now baby, Kasich and his minions, have made it impossible to get it through later. The original bill was written in such a way that demand would have allowed expansion to other providers. Kasich was against the bill so what donors benefitted? Ten families who want to grow pot...some are small farmers, by the way, got it onto a referendum...and lost because of Kasich's bullshit and the pure among us. Here is the most important thing about the bill. Here in Ohio, we are still sending , folks to prison over pot...that bill would have stopped that. So pure...no matter how many people are injured...have their lives ruined because in 2016 American...all crimes warrant a life in prison sentence...even after you get ou you are still punished. Your life is essentially over...no student loans and no job that pays decently. The bill was not perfect, but it was a start and would have saved so many people from ruin. So enjoy your purity and wait for the perfect candidate, the perfect health care plan...all the perfect things your heart yearns for...you will spend a lifetime doing so and when it is over have no accomplishments.

[Warren DeMontague]

84. Well you in Ohio all need to work that shit out amongst yourselves.

All I can tell you is, we had a badly written initiative that lost here in Oregon in 2010, and then we passed quite arguably the best one in the nation in 2014.

California had an initiative that was unpopular with the growing community- prop 19- that lost in 2010 as well. They are coming back this year with an initiative that is quite likely to pass.

You're trying to make this about "purity" and Bernie Sanders, which is fucking goofy. If you want people to stop being sent to prison for marijuana, support the candidate that is calling the drug war a failure, and push the likely nominee in a more progressive direction on the topic as well.

[timmymoff]

59. Conceding would be acceptable

and give our down ticket candidates a better chance

[Demsrule86]

70. Your down ticket

could not survive a Bernie candidacy when the swiftboating began...even some of you would turn against him. She won...why should she concede...he needs to do so and soon.

[timmymoff]

78. Possibly after june, and then the chances of

me voting for a dem president will be slim to none. Only because we won't have one.

[pangaia]

23. ugh!!!

[DCBob]

15. In fact I have said just the opposite many times.

and I am strong Hillary supporter.

[BootinUp]

19. Your message doesn't pass through the filter. nt

[Rass]

20. Straight from Hillary:

Here is her "I am winning" pitch to Bernie supporters.

[JPnoodleman]

33. The Clinton Dynasty I guess doesn't need peasants who don't obey. n/t

[okasha]

21. The Bernie or Bust crowd

isn't typical of Democrats who support Sanders. Most will switch their support Hillary without reservation. The cohort represented so widely on DU is atypical, even aberrant. No, we don't need them. They'll be happier with Trump in any case.

We do want to appeal to Republicans who are as horrified by Trump as we are, and there are a lot of them. I find it ironic--in fact, I find it deeply dishonest--that the same cadre who wanted to open our primaries to Republicans are now indignant that the Democratic nominee is making an active effort to secure those same Republicans' votes in the GE.

[SidDithers]

25. Jury results coming...

Sid

[Iliyah]

42. You are kidding, right?

[SidDithers]

45. 1-6 Leave...

On Sun May 8, 2016, 06:47 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

The Bernie or Bust crowd
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1924955

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Accuses Bernie supporters of easily supporting Trump, which is not true and a ToS violation.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun May 8, 2016, 07:25 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alerter's comments do not reflect what I am seeing the post.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is a thoughtful post and expresses the poster's opinion. If they don't vote for Hillary, they are in effect, supporting Trump, so I don't see anything offensive here.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: After initially voting the post was ok, I changed my mind after reading the reporters comments and re-reading the post.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It said nothing of supporting Trump. It says, "be happier" with Trump. That could easily be read as the "I told you so" Nader crowd of 2000. I may be in the minority bc this is GD.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No, it's not a TOS violation. Supporting Trump is a TOS violation. Saying that some Bernie supporters will support Trump isn't.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.


Sid

[okasha]

53. Thanks, Sid.

The post clearly doesn't say what the alerter claimed it says.

[JoePhilly]

28. + 1

[Warren DeMontague]

31. Why is it okay for Hillary to "court" Republicans this week (like "megachurch moms", lol)

But when Sanders was accused of courting independents it was an OUTRAGEEEEEEE!?

[okasha]

47. Two reasons.

1. She's not trying to open Democratic primaries to them. I'd like my Democratic candidates to be chosen by Democrats, thank you very much.

2. She's not trying to recruit them to vote against Democrats, but against an insane demagogue who has secured the Republican nomination.

Beyond that, humanitarian considerations. It is a corporal work of mercy to provide lifeboats for those who choose not to go down with a sinking ship.

[Warren DeMontague]

50. Yeah, well the idea that all of us who support Sanders aren't "real Democrats" is another bullshit

meme.

But beyond that, we keep hearing the rules are the rules, and different states have different primary rules.

Oregon has a closed Primary, and Hillary is STILL likely to lose decisively here.

And Sanders isn't "recruiting them to vote against Democrats" INSIDE the primary - nice piece of disingenuous non-logic, there - because HE is running as a Democrat, as much as the Hill Folk may wish to deny it.

By bringing them into our process he makes it more likely they will identify with our team.

I hope Hillary's plan to court Bush donors and 'Megachurch Moms' (barf) doesn't involve shit like incessant God-Bothering or promising to "get tougher on the legal marijuana crisis" but that's probably coming.

[okasha]

55. Your subject line shows that you've misread

or are misrepresenting this post, too.

Yup, your hero and his loyal followers were openly trying to recruit independents and Republicans to vote against Hillary Clinton, who is indubitably a Democrat. I said nothing at all about Sanders' status in the Democratic Party.

[Warren DeMontague]

60. You don't understand how a primary works, then.

[Bluenorthwest]

66. And Hillary is doing that right now as we in Oregon vote and as Calfornia approaches....

nt

[JPnoodleman]

34. The cohort on DU is uber typical of Democrat Sanders supporters.

The people most likely to post here are going to be people with VESTED interest in the DNC as an institution. If anything these are the MOST likely to support Hillary come November.

[okasha]

48. The incessant screeds against the DNC

and Debbie Wasserman Schulz show that not to be true.

[Warren DeMontague]

52. Debbie Wasserman Schultz teamed up with Sheldon Adelson to send FL medical marijuana users to prison

you REALLY don't think that's worth a "screed" or two?

[okasha]

56. Except that's not what the screeds have been about.

They've mostly been about How Mean She Is To Poor Bernie and how She Cheated Him Out Of The Nomination!

Since cannabis legalization seems to be your overriding issue, I will say this.

In Iowa, Hillary affirmed her support for the medical use of marijuana. I would like to see full legalization, among other reasons because hemp has historically been a highly renewable and ecofriendly fiber resource. It's not my top priority, though.

[Warren DeMontague]

61. I think it's an embarassment that the chair of the DNC is so wrongheaded on this, yes.

She is harming our brand.

I also happen to live in a state that is currently taking in 3X the expected tax revenue from our first couple successful months of legalization.

So yeah, I know people east of the Rockies seem to think it's some wacky stoner fringe thing, but believe it or not, we take it fairly fucking seriously out here.

http://blog.sfgate.com/smellthetruth/2016/05/04/california-marijuana-legalization-2016-campaign-launches-with-lt-gov-newsom/


[font size=1](LOOKIT ALL THE WACKY HIPPIES! DON'T TRIP OVER YOUR DREADLOCKS, THERE, NEWSOM!)[/font]

And no, I don't think DWS "cheated" Sanders out of anything, for one, I don't think she's anything near that competent. Hillary has (almost, and statistically likely to) won fair and square, although honestly given that the decks were pretty well cleared for her and our bench was practically empty, AND her only real challenge came from this previously unknown "socialist" Senator from VT... Personally, I don't know why her supporters believe she has delivered any sort of impressive performance.

I'd like to see more actual leadership, and not just on my "overriding issue"- not just because it's the right thing to do, but because it's the politically smart thing to do, too.

[JPnoodleman]

67. Take it as a sign...

If these Bernie supporters are the most loyal to the party and they are this aggravated, imagine what the unaffiliated ones are thinking.

[lumberjack_jeff]

73. The DU Sanders cohort, is atypical in the opposite sense; we started out as Democrats.

The independents who supported Bernie were independent for a reason, mostly having to do with Clintons.

[JoePhilly]

27. It's a straw man they've built ...

... to rationalize their intent to stay home or vote 3rd party.

[Fawke Em]

51. LOL. No.

People will vote third party because of her actions.

She is simply the embodiment of the elite, a war hawk who will do nothing to stave off Wall Street's largess. Watch your Social Security.

[AgingAmerican]

57. A strawman built by Hillary supporters

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511529695

[Warren DeMontague]

29. Given that the "outreach" here seems to be limited to "fuck you! neener! BERNIEBROSSss!"

I can see how people might come away with that conclusion.

[ThePhilosopher04]

32. She has zero chance without Bernie supporters. None. I will proudly NOT vote for her and encourage

others to sit out the general if she is the nominee.

[840high]

41. +1 I'll vote downticket only.

[AgingAmerican]

35. Sure, here's one for ya

WashPost: Hillary Clinton doesn’t need white men

[Amaril]

37. It has been said by her supporters here.....

No, I can't link you to posts -- as far as I know there has not been an OP stating that. It has been snide comments from Hillary supporters -- usually in response to a Bernie supporter saying they can't vote for her. The response has been "That's ok -- we don't need you / will be fine without you."

These people are not official Hillary surrogates -- at least not as far as we know -- but it has been said, nonetheless.

[AgingAmerican]

43. To heck with mere posts, here's an OP for ya

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511529695

[B Calm]

40. Wow, where you been?

[B Calm]

44. Bookmarking

[aikoaiko]

46. Right here.

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/4/25/do-what-you-want-an-open-letter-to-the-bernie-or-bust-movement-on-behalf-of-the-democratic-party#.VyKmDIJZpia.facebook


Do What You Want: An Open Letter to the Bernie or Bust Movement on Behalf of the Democratic Party

Trevor LaFauci April 25, 2016
Dear Friends,

Over the past month, you've been in the news quite often for your political stance in which you've stated that the only candidate you will support this election cycle is Senator Bernie Sanders. This stance has drawn a range of reactions from people like Huffington Post's H. A. Goodman that support your dedication to your candidate to those like political comedian Bill Maher who have advised you to "not be assholes." Despite Bernie Sanders' recent willingness to support Hillary Clinton as the Democratic nominee if certain conditions are met, a number of you have continued your stance to support Sanders and Sanders alone. Polls have come out showing that you represent one-quarter of Senator Sanders' supporters. If we were to extrapolate that number out, it would mean over 2 million Democratic voters would be sitting out the 2016 general election, potentially creating an extremely close race or even a Republican victory. With so much at stake, you all are probably tired of all the advice you've been given so I'll do my best to cut to the heart of what I'd like you to know:

The Democratic Party doesn't want or need your vote.

....

Sincerely,

Folks Who Have Seen Your Kind Before

[hellofromreddit]

49. Two examples from this board.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1913975

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1920422

You're welcome.

[Iliyah]

54. They will unite.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

62. For once I agree with Hillary supporters.

Needless to say, we don't need Hillary.

[BlindTiresias]

63. Fairly incredible you deny the evidence categorically.

[Katashi_itto]

65. The Hilary doesnt need the peasents. As one of the Peasents, I can support Hillary in this.

[Armstead]

68. Not supposed to mention individual DUers or call out posts....

But all you have to do is peruse DU for a coupkle of minutes and you'll find plenty of examples.

And that's a microcosm.

And.....She basically said as much


http://info.msnbc.com/_news/2016/04/25/35464658-full-transcript-hillary-clinton-says-im-winning-in-an-msnbc-town-hall-tonight?lite

[Ohioblue22]

77. It's gonna take 1billion + to run for potus and they would rather hillary be potus over trump

[B Calm]

79. Here you go!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1963738