If indicted Hillary should stay in the race.

[RobertEarl]

She represents the Empire.

Last election she won was in the Empire state.

Empire can't back down in the face of hippies or it's game over, man.

Not saying if she stays in it would get bloody. No way, man. But damn it sure will get ugly. Am I right?

[yourpaljoey]

1. Might as well; she won't be going far with that bracelet on her ankle

[RobertEarl]

3. Right on, man

[hrmjustin]

2. First she will not be indicted so stop getting yourself excited over it.

And two she won four states after NY.

[bvf]

20. Impeachment efforts are already brewing.

But if she is in fact indicted (and you have no crystal ball on this), I'm confident President Trump will grease the skids for an eventual pardon. New Yorkers in the upper fiscal echelons do look out for each other, you know.

Just ask Marc Rich.

[hrmjustin]

22. Everyone has an opinion.

[bvf]

23. Yeah, but some people present them as fact.

I try to take care not to, particularly when it comes to predicting the future.

[lancer78]

44. Didn't Colin Powell

already admit he did the same thing regarding email servers?

[Lars39]

47. Hillary had a server in her basement.

Colin Powell did not have a server in his basement.

[Matariki]

86. Or throw stuff away

that turned out to *not* be personal. It's always the cover-up.

[Bob41213]

55. NO, NOT THE SAME THING

Colin Powell used a personal account (AOL I think) for some emails.

Hillary Clinton set up a private server to use FOR ALL email. She also never used a .gov account and never used an account on the classified network (gee, I wonder how classified stuff ended up on her personal server).

[lagomorph777]

60. If she never used the classified account, but ran the agency that includes the CIA,

it's impossible for her not to have handled classified information by e-mail. It's simply not possible to be in charge of the CIA and not exchange classified information by e-mail. If all her e-mail went through the homebrew server, ipso facto classified information went through that server.

[Sparkly]

67. She used the proper channels for classified material.

Nothing on her server was marked classified, and it would not have mattered at all whether it's a private domain or a dot-gov one. Neither are considered secure for classified material.

[lagomorph777]

70. "MARKED classified" is the key.

If classified material is in there, and is unmarked, somebody removed the markings. That's a federal offense.

[Sparkly]

87. And the evidence of that happening is...

ZERO. Zilch. Nada. Nothing.

[Blue_Tires]

75. You fuckin' wish impeachment was brewing...

If the senate could have gotten rid of her before now, they would have done so...

You clearly have no idea in hell just how difficult and rare it is to impeach an elected official...

[bvf]

82. I never said "impeachment was brewing."

I said "impeachment efforts."

And nobody regards them as anything but a stunt, but there is still an ongoing FBI investigation, and it will be interesting to see how her interview goes.

My reference to indictment was not intended to be related to the aforementioned stunt, but to whatever comes from said investigation. Apologies for the apparent conflation. I should have worded that better.

Be that as it may, and as difficult as impeachment is (as I am aware, thank you) to undertake, it certainly didn't prevent her husband's, did it?

[bettyellen]

76. how do you all reconcile the GOP hated of her with their supposed love for her?

that's the biggest stretch ever.

[bvf]

83. Good question.

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I've said more than once that I think the Republican establishment would be quite happy with her--especially given her propensity to war monger and her coziness with Wall Street, and most especially because Trump in office would be so embarrassing.

It's the Republican hoi polloi who hate her. The R establishment gives them their show, because everybody needs an enemy.

Do you seriously think either party truly gives a shit about its members anymore?

Citizens United put an end to that, and people who believe Clinton will do squat about overturning it through SCOTUS or by any other means are only fooling themselves. She laughs at them, knowing they believe that. She's laughing in your face.

ETA:
http://trofire.com/2016/05/05/hillary-already-reversing-positions-appease-corporate-donors-ring-fire/

[bettyellen]

84. She is laughing in my face? Okay.....

[bvf]

85. OK, poor choice of words just then.

She's laughing behind your back.

[Agschmid]

4. Guam.

[KingFlorez]

5. Grief is horrible

[NurseJackie]

32. It's heartbreaking.

[madamesilverspurs]

6. Thanks for sharing,

Aesop.

[MrMickeysMom]

7. It already is ugly...

It gotten more ugly ever since she never meant what she said the first time.

[NanceGreggs]

8. The Transcript Fairy didn't arrive ...

... in time to turn things around for Bernie, so now it's on to waiting for the Indictment Fairy.

And guess what? She ain't comin' either.

[LaydeeBug]

16. but, but when we get to the *convention*, we will *see* how

*awesome* Bernie is and we will abandon everything else, usurp the will of the majority of the DEMOCRATIC party and nominate Bernie Sanders instead of Hillary.

[NanceGreggs]

43. Well, yeah.

I remember how we were all going to be shocked!!! by the tens of thousands of BS supporters who would show up in Iowa to ensure that Bernie won the first primary in a landslide.

But they never showed up.

Of course, there is always the possibility - nay, the probability - that HRCs super-delegates will all switch their allegiance to Bernie at the convention, because they can't wait to throw their support behind the "also ran" loser.

[Skink]

9. Gottti ran the empire from the joint.

[Jennylynn]

11. lol

[silvershadow]

10. Funny thing is, it doesn't bother them. Any of them. They just think it's ok to smear

my good name with her baggage. Yes, the Republicans are clearly over the top with their crap, and she did ok in that hearing, but..

She's the one under actual FBI investigation, not me. She's the one who got herself into this, not me. Just saying it will all be okay in the end doesn't make it so.

She should have dropped out months ago, when the wheels fell of the bus.

[LaydeeBug]

17. and yet, Bernie's bus can't catch HRC's with the wheels off. nt

[silvershadow]

19. Well, actually, that's why The Great Coast to Coast Disenfranchisement Tour happened

along with Debbie-gate (the active collusion between the DLC and the HRC campaign...I say DLC because apparently we con't currently have a functioning DNC)

[LaydeeBug]

25. All of that effort! And yet they *still* can't catch up to HRC, so they just enable the GOP

[amborin]

46. she was caught in lies at that hearing:

although the Obama White House believed Blumenthal had spread false rumors about Obama during the 2008 campaign, and although Obama had banned Blumenthal from any State Dept business, SOS Clinton kept up a steady and solicited correspondence with Blumenthal behind Obama's back:

And despite ample evidence on the public record for months that Clinton repeatedly asked Blumenthal to keep sending her updates on Libya and other matters, she repeated previous assertions that his advice was unsolicited.

"I did not ask him to send me the information that he sent me," Clinton said.

"You wrote to him, 'Another keeper, thanks' and 'Please keep them coming....Greetings from Kabul and thanks for keeping this stuff coming,'" Gowdy shot back.

Clinton then shifted slightly, conceding that she urged Blumenthal to keep up the flow. "They started out unsolicited and, as I said, some were of interest," she said.

snip

.....You said they were -- you said they were unsolicited," the chairman said.

While Clinton minimized the significance of what Blumenthal sent along, she did not dismiss it entirely, and she defended forwarding the information to aides who sometimes scrambled to respond to the unusual dispatches.

"Some of it I found interesting....

snip

....Allegations relating to Blumenthal's role in that campaign are what kept him from joining the State Department in 2009. Obama aides were convinced that Blumenthal spread false personal and policy rumors about Obama during the battle between Clinton and Obama for the Democratic nomination. While Clinton had more authority to name State Department personnel than any other Obama Cabinet member, Blumenthal was blacklisted--effectively banished by the White House.

When Gowdy asked about Blumenthal's rejection, Clinton didn't dispute it, but said she couldn't remember or didn't know who at the White House put the kibosh on her regular correspondent.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-sidney-blumenthal-emails-benghazi-hearings-215083#ixzz42cF2UM5y

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Hillary was taking State Dept Advice from Blumenthal and others with Business interests in Libya:

Plus, all the while, Blumenthal was working for the Clinton Foundation:

International New York Times May 20, 2015 Wednesday

Clinton friend's memos on Libya draw scrutiny to politics and business

NICHOLAS CONFESSORE and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT
Clintons last occupied the White House, Sidney Blumenthal cast himself in varied roles:

speechwriter, in-house intellectual and press corps whisperer. …..Now, as Hillary Rodham Clinton embarks on her second presidential bid, Mr. Blumenthal's service to the Clintons is again under the spotlight. ……

….. a series of memos that Mr. Blumenthal - who was not an employee of the State Department - wrote to Mrs. Clinton about events unfolding in Libya before and after the death of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi.

According to emails obtained by The New York Times, Mrs. Clinton, who was secretary of state at the time, took Mr. Blumenthal's advice seriously, forwarding his memos to senior diplomatic officials in Libya and Washington and at times asking them to respond. Mrs. Clinton continued to pass around his memos even after other senior diplomats concluded that Mr. Blumenthal's assessments were often unreliable.

But an examination by The Times suggests that Mr. Blumenthal's involvement was more wide-ranging and more complicated than previously known, embodying the blurry lines between business, politics and philanthropy that have enriched and vexed the Clintons.

While advising Mrs. Clinton on Libya, Mr. Blumenthal, who had been barred from a State Department job by aides to President Obama, was also employed by her family's philanthropy, the Clinton Foundation, to help with research, ''message guidance'' and the planning of commemorative events, according to foundation officials. During the same period, he also worked for organizations that helped lay the groundwork for Mrs. Clinton's 2016 campaign.

Much of the Libya intelligence that Mr. Blumenthal passed on to Mrs. Clinton appears to have come from a group of business associates he was advising as they sought to win contracts from the Libyan transitional government.

The venture, which was ultimately unsuccessful, involved other Clinton friends, a private military contractor and one former C.I.A. spy seeking to get in on the ground floor of the new Libyan economy.

The projects …..would have required State Department permits, but foundered before the business partners could seek official approval.

The Libya venture came together in 2011 when David L. Grange, a retired Army general, joined with a new New York firm, Constellations Group, to pursue business leads in Libya. Constellations Group, led by a professional fund-raiser and philanthropist named Bill White, was to provide the leads……

[polly7]

53. +1,000,000.

But none of this matters to all those who seem to agree with her that innocent brown lives don't matter. Is it because they're an ocean away, so why bother their beautiful minds?? I just don't get it. We heard (supposed) outrage here day after day when IS and Boko Haram started their atrocities made possible by the destruction of Iraq and Libya - now .......... crickets.

It fills me with disgust, actually.

[Trust Buster]

12. Yes, your candidate couldn't attract enough votes. Seems he indicted himself.

[libdem4life]

14. Such silliness. The MSM had Bernie Who? Bags over their proverbial heads

for 6 months...no coverage of rallies, no coverage period.

Also, his name is not Clinton. Duh.

[redstateblues]

18. Oh please. The media has kept Bernie propped up for months.

They want a horse race- they want Bernie to keep sending the hated corporate media all those donations

[libdem4life]

21. Um, it was reported in alternative news and here at DU extensively

You probably missed it. The last 3 months or so, now that they have a horse race, now they cover him.

Sorry, your last statement doesn't compute...Bernie sending media donations? Huh?

[redstateblues]

31. Doesn't Bernie use TV ads? He pays for them with all the $27 donations

Media is expensive-that money Bernie raises goes to the corporations he hates so much

[libdem4life]

50. Well, you do have a point. He also eats...Big Agra, uses a cell phone,

Big Communications, and likely takes pills of some kind, big pharma. In fact, our tv and internet is, you guessed it, big Dish/Comcast/Cox et al.

[HooptieWagon]

13. It would be historic!

Since Trump has a lawsuit over the University, we can have depositions instead of debates. Loser gets to be impeached...since really, either one is sure to be impeached.

[libdem4life]

15. I've thought that, but like the way you put it. True. Either will be impeached.

Strange that the two least-liked candidates end up nominees. One is truly not qualified. The other is truly untrustworthy and likely doesn't know where she stands on most anything...what with out the damp finger in the air.

[pdsimdars]

48. Another demonstration of the power of money and how far we have gone to oligarchy.

[libdem4life]

51. Downright depressing.

[senz]

24. Well, sure. If Trump can stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody

without losing his devoted followers, why can't Hill get a criminal indictment without fazing her devoted followers?

Devoted followers are not known for having good judgment. Or a moral compass.

[RobertEarl]

27. Yep. We are beholden to a crazy mixed up mass of voters.

No telling who they might elect, or who the e-vote counters count as the winner.

Whatever, it will be the Left's fault, as always.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

26. How many presidential candidates have run with an indictment?

not many investigated by the FBI either

[silvershadow]

28. I'm thinking after this cycle, maybe we can all just meet one day and draw names out of

a hat, then vote. Much less costly for around the same result.

[senz]

35. Clinton & Trump. America doesn't have standards anymore, Rosa.

If those two are the nominees, we will have scraped the bottom of the barrel.

[RobertEarl]

29. This sucks. Kinda sorta

I have so many on ignore that I can read just half the posts on this thread.

[redstateblues]

37. Don't you hate it when people don't agree with you?

I just put my fingers in my ears and say "la la la I can't hear you"

[pdsimdars]

49. right now I see 17 of 48, that's only a third

but really, the ones on ignore have earned it. They had nothing to add to any conversation. Just remember that. . . all they had to say was "ho hum" and "ha ha" with a heaping helping of smugness and condescension
You really don't miss that.
And ALWAYS remember . . .

[LaydeeBug]

30. Has Hillary been indicted? Or do we have to deal with alternative realities

along with unicorn math?

[RobertEarl]

33. FBI, dude

The long arm of the law is on her like white on rice, dude.

[LaydeeBug]

34. Nice try dude. No dice dude. She was cleared of wrongdoing

but you already knew that, dude.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-reports-fbi-has-found-no-criminal-wrongdoing-in-hillary-clinton-email-investigation/

[RobertEarl]

36. That is a damned lie from your link

What a heaping pile of dogshit.

You know it, man.

[LaydeeBug]

38. No, it's not. You just don't *like* that she's cleared

because you hate her more than you like the facts. But you know it and so do I.

[RobertEarl]

45. I hate her politics

And love Bernie's.

Why do you hate Bernie? What did he do to you?

When the FBI and DoJ come out and say H is no longer being hounded, then it will be factual. Your link from a dogshit compiler is just that.

[Tarc]

39. "FBI has found no criminal wrongdoing"

Those aren't difficult words to parse.

Btw, whither "Guccifer", your other vaunted Emailgate angle? That one fizzled quicker than even I anticipated.

[grasswire]

40. link?

[Tarc]

41. Psst, you see the way those lines attach one reply to the previous one?

Follow it up a few hops. Pretend you're Dora the Explorer.

[Bob41213]

57. Closest I found in the link was

"According to CNN correspondent Pamela Brown" and if I go to http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/05/politics/fbi-interviews-huma-abedin-clinton-aide/index.html I see "the U.S. officials say."

So once again, link to where the FBI cleared her please.

[Tarc]

59. Keep trying...

[Bob41213]

63. Exactly. Thanks for obfuscating.

THE FBI HAS NOT CLEARED HER. That much is clear.

[Lizzie Poppet]

56. That's nonsense.

Hopefully you're simply confused in that point and not lying...but Hillary hasn't been cleared of anything. The investigation is ongoing, despite the desperate attempts by Camp Weathervane to spin a vaguely-sourced possible leak into exoneration.

[LaydeeBug]

58. A link was provided, deary, an math is *still* math.

You're welcome.

[Lizzie Poppet]

61. First off, you can take your condescending "deary" and stick it.

You have nowhere near the chops to be condescending to me.

More to the point, you link is worthless. It's just the same oft-repeated speculation, based on unnamed sources (as if the FBI actually released such details of ongoing investigations for public consumption; believe me, that doesn't happen). But cling to that crap like the rest of Camp Weathervane if you like...it makes no difference.

[LaydeeBug]

62. Mmmm-kay. Whatever, sweets. Math is still math, whatever the weather.

Nice try. No dice. FBI notwithstanding. Good luck with that.

[Lizzie Poppet]

64. I ignored your "math" tangent the first time, since I made no mention of that.

But since you managed to blurt out yet another infantile indulgence in condescension (amusingly ironic, as I've quite likely forgotten more about mathematics than you will ever know), you can bugger right the fuck off to Ignore.

Bye, Felicia...

[LaydeeBug]

65. Ooohh, I *bet* you've forgotten more math than I know...like basic delegate math

that *clearly* shows there is NO POSSIBILITY of Bernie winning this. How ironic is *that*? LOL

You are a scream! And I am honored to be on your ignore list. You can ignore me, but YOU CAN IGNORE THE MATH!! LOL. Good luck

[Lizzie Poppet]

66. One last thing before you're relegated:

If you actually think there's "no possibility" that Bernie can win, then you just completely confirmed my point about your math chops (or lack thereof). The possibility is remote, obviously...but Bernie has not, in fact, been mathematically eliminated, as any five year old with basic arithmetic skills could explain to you.

Nice one, Einstein...

You can ignore me, but YOU CAN IGNORE THE MATH!!

Perhaps you meant to screech "CAN'T" in all-caps with that one.

You have a nice life, m'kay? Bless your heart...

[LaydeeBug]

69. Oh dear...it seems you found a typo. CONGRATULATIONS IN ALL CAPS

and Bernie still won't be the nominee.

MATH IS MATH in all caps. math is math in all lowers...LOL. **just in case you've "forgotten"**

[Human101948]

79. Cleared by CNN...

but wait, Fox convicted her.

[Thinkingabout]

42. There is a greater chance Sanders will be indicted for campaign fund fraud and for Jane Sanders for

bank fraud.

[FlatBaroque]

52. Can she be presidenting if she loses her security clearance?

can she give herself a pardon and get it back?

[RobertEarl]

73. No telling what she might try

Just can't depend on her to do what is correct.

[Human101948]

80. ‘If the President Does It, That Means It’s Not Illegal’'

Richard NIxon established that legal precedent about Presidentin'.

[Gothmog]

54. Waiting for a Clinton indictment? Don’t hold your breath

I am amused by the Sanders supporters and republicans praying for an indictment http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/waiting-clinton-indictment-dont-hold-your-breath

The fact remains, however, that such a scenario is pretty far-fetched. Politico’s Josh Gerstein took a closer look today at the legal circumstances, and the reasons Clinton’s foes shouldn’t hold their breaths.

The examination, which included cases spanning the past two decades, found some with parallels to Clinton’s use of a private server for her emails, but – in nearly all instances that were prosecuted – aggravating circumstances that don’t appear to be present in Clinton’s case.

The relatively few cases that drew prosecution almost always involved a deliberate intent to violate classification rules as well as some add-on element: An FBI agent who took home highly sensitive agency records while having an affair with a Chinese agent; a Boeing engineer who brought home 2000 classified documents and whose travel to Israel raised suspicions; a National Security Agency official who removed boxes of classified documents and also lied on a job application form.

Politico’s examination seems to have only been able to find one person who sincerely believes Clinton will face prosecution: former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R), who was a prosecutor and a Justice Department official before his partisan antics made him something of a clownish joke.

Among more objective observers, the idea of Clinton facing an indictment seems, at best, implausible. This is very much in line with a recent American Prospect examination, which reached the same conclusion.

TPM’s Josh Marshall published a related piece in February, after speaking to a variety of law professors and former federal prosecutors about the Clinton story. “To a person,” Josh wrote, they agreed the idea of a Clinton indictment is “very far-fetched.”

[LexVegas]

68. Don't lose mad...just lose. nt

[zappaman]

71. Keep wishing for that indictment, Bob!

[oberliner]

72. If she grows wings and a tail should she stay in the race?

That is about as likely as an indictment.

[HereSince1628]

74. Honestly, an indictment is not a conviction. Innocent people can be and are indicted

pretty regularly.

Consequently, I really don't have a problem with Clinton staying in if she is indicted.

I do understand that indictment might be a distraction for her and her campaign team. Yes, that might have some impact on her ability to tack back to the middle where she is most comfortable. I do understand that televised or otherwise communicated content of a trial might cause some people to raise hell about another in a long chain of scandals that reach the point of prosecutorial investigation. I do understand that might cause some voters to veer away from supporting her.

But, it really is -her- choice to drop out, or not, she owns that. And, I don't expect it to cause a problem with her base on the democratic right. They've already built in their reaction should this become a reality.

An indictment isn't going to change anything with the public face of the democratic establishment.

This is going to impact republicans most, and independents and lefties who already oppose her.

[Vinca]

78. If she's indicted either she goes or Trump is president.

[HereSince1628]

81. That's an assertion without even a speculative rationale to back it up

I don't see why a charge against her -MUST- mean Trump becomes president. It might cost her some support, certainly a conviction would end either her campaign and make it impossible to go forward with a presidency as she would likely face impeachment

Her supporters have accepted all manner of scandals and attempts to tie her to crimes in the past.

An indictment is for them, just another scandal. And if you are deep into loyalty to the person claiming victimhood this isn't going to change your feelings a bit.

[RobertEarl]

88. Gawd forbid she is indicted

But if she is only the RW Dems will still love her. Them and the rest of Empire.

[Vinca]

89. Wow - send me some of whatever you're taking.

[emulatorloo]

77. If my Grandmother had wheels, she'd be a car

Nobody knows what the FBI is doing except the FBI. And they aren't leaking.

The only ones claiming it is a criminal investigation is Fox News. Other bloggers may claim it as well, but all of the 'she will be indicted' stories can be sourced back to Fox 'reporting' and 'experts'. Fox and their cohorts are the only one spinning it that way.

- The FBI investigation is real.

- Fox 'News' spin is not real. 99.9% of their spin is proven wrong.

FBI will be done soon, we will know soon enough.