Yay! The democratic frontrunner is now seeking donations from Jeb Bush Mega donors

[timmymoff]

but of course since she isn't influenced by money, this will be perfectly fine with her supporters. Their necks must be stiff beyond compare with all the overlooking they do. This will play in Peoria. Good lord can she stoop any lower? Has she asked Dubya to be a bundler yet?

[msongs]

1. oh dear bernie better quit raising money. it seems to be an evil thing to do nt

[timmymoff]

3. I know it is hard to grasp the difference between jeb bush mega donors

and $27 contributions in Hillaryland.

[Kall]

24. Not much makes sense in Hillaryland

[brewens]

2. In a way, I wonder why this should even be news? The sun will come up in the morning

as well.

[RobertEarl]

5. There is a name for people who sell themselves for money

I can't quite remember that name right now.....

[creeksneakers2]

10. She doesn't have to promise the donors anything

Most intelligent people recognize that at Trump presidency would be a disaster for the country, both rich and poor.

[RobertEarl]

15. Right, sure

Welcome to real politic. Much for you to learn, grasshopper.

[creeksneakers2]

19. Why do cynical people

so firmly believe they are smarter than everybody else? I think some of the cynicism is there to create the self appraisal.

[RobertEarl]

22. It's called history

Bernie is the first to change the future. So you are in reality the cynical one if you don't support for Bernie.

Besides I figure you are quite young. amirite?

[creeksneakers2]

26. I'm 59

I've followed politics my whole life. Where I become different from most other people is that I'm very skeptical of political accusations, including those against the other side. People and players get very wrapped up emotionally and dream of coming up with some dirt that will make the opposition collapse. So they seize on almost anything, no matter how bogus it is, and throw it out there. Cynical people believe most of the accusations because they believe the other side is bad so it must be true. But I've followed these accusations over the years and learned that they almost always don't turn out to be true. People remember the ones that turned into real scandals with consequences but forget all the ones that ended up just being thrown dirt.

[RobertEarl]

27. Like the Iraq invasion?

How about how the banksters drained the economy?

Racism to you is just words? Sexism, too?

War is just a big misunderstanding?

No, dude, you are living in your own little world. But you have many neighbors and that is why things are so fucked up. And here comes your friend trump!

[creeksneakers2]

28. The Iraq invasion

We'll start with that one since you brought it up. How about all those who said those who were against the war were that way because they hated America or were friends with Saddam? How about all those on our side that said we would steal all of Iraq's oil? You remember the bad things that happened but forget all the predictions that didn't come true.

[RobertEarl]

31. See, that's your cynicism shining true

Talk about how a few bad predictions didn't come true instead about all the real death and destruction predictions that did and still are lied about today.

You really don't get any of this, do you?

[creeksneakers2]

32. You haven't been watching

You've been seeing what you expect to see and ignoring all the rest.

[RobertEarl]

33. Now you are projecting

Your worst cynicism is being projected outwards from your head onto the real world.

And you are ignoring all the bad stuff just so you feel better.

You can't even carry on on a discussion without that awful projection.

You are now on ignore. I've no time for such nonsense.

[CobaltBlue]

44. creeksneakers2—You must be believing in fairy tales!

[Lil Missy]

47. That's rich, coming from a BSer. n/t

[timmymoff]

6. Well we saw it coming long ago

the shift and courtship of the wealthy right.

[griffi94]

4. I think this is great

Hillary is going to need a sizable warchest
to beat Trump in November.

I'm glad we have a nominee who has crossover appeal
to moderate Republicans who won't vote for Trump.

Hillary is already expanding the Big Tent.

Every dollar they give Hillary is a dollar that a Republican doesn't get.

[timmymoff]

7. Yay! Big money in politics

something we never complained about, ever! A new ceiling has been crashed.

[griffi94]

11. Hey I'm all for getting big money out of politics

But that isn't going to happen before November.

So until the rules are changed then I'm glad we have a nominee
who can use the rules to our advantage and who has
the ability to attract money and votes from people from
both parties and all demographics.

The conservative USSC gave us CU.
Hillary will appoint justices that will overturn it.

Until it's overturned you have to use every tool allowed.

[timmymoff]

13. are you all for fracking?

you are voting for it. how about regime change? you are voting for that. Are you comfortable with aligning with GOP mega donors, I'm not. But then again, I'm sitting the presidential election out if she is the nominee, better get working you have a hard sell until November.

[griffi94]

18. It won't be a hard sell

She's already pulling moderate Republicans.

For the majority of people who don't
see every issue in terms of stark black & white
Hillary is light years better than Trump.

The people you say she'll lose...well she never had those anyway.
Purists and 1 issue voters

I'm for getting more Democrats elected.
That means foregoing purity tests.

[timmymoff]

21. Yes, the democratic party needs more

Zell Millers , Max Baucuses and John Breaux's lol

[griffi94]

23. You work with what you have

and get the best outcome available.

Or walk away and leave it for the Republicans.

How you vote is up to you.
It doesn't matter to me because Hillary is going
to win regardless of what the BoB people do.

But the first rule of politics is that to change things you
have to win.

Bernie didn't win.

[arcane1]

53. "Hillary will appoint justices that will overturn it."

Yeah, just as soon as she is done using CU to win the presidency and simultaneously enrich herself.

[DonCoquixote]

51. crossover appeal

You see, unlike liberals, these jeb types demand obedience for their money, and these are the same people who wanted Jeb Bush to DESTROY US. Do you really think they will not use their influence to get more of what they want (and less of what we want.)?

MONEY TALKS!, especially in America where all other voices are silenced or muted.

[Beartracks]

62. Those rich Repubs aren't interested in voting PROGRESSIVE.

They're not having a progressive epiphany because Trump suddenly made them see the errors of their Republican ways. At best, I bet, they are voting for the status quo so they can live to fight a future Democrat in 4 years. This isn't a big tent expansion or crossover appeal; this is just some Republicans ducking under the tent flaps during a shitstorm. If Hillary was truly as progressive as some of her supporters have claimed, I think a lot of these moderate Repubs would simply plan on staying home in despair in Election Day.

On the other hand, though, at least they have enough sense to vote for the better choice, even if it's not what they REALLY wanted...

=================

[Beartracks]

63. Another thought: This is gonna dilute the party...

... and we could drift even further rightward.



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[Sparkly]

8. Smart move! nt

[timmymoff]

9. Is it?

Courting GOP mega donors is a smart move politically when you already have issues of people trusting her?

[NanceGreggs]

14. Apparently those "issues" ...

... haven't stopped her from winning the nomination.

[timmymoff]

16. Nope, she is the best money can buy

and she is showing it.

[Skink]

12. And people complain about Bernie running on the Democratic ticket

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[Dragonfli]

25. Those that vote for hawkish Neo-Liberals such as Clinton are not in denial, they are worse-

They are not in denial, they are not "naive" they are simply not at all like the Democrats of the pre "intellectual leveraged buyout of the Party" by the Koch funded DLC, beginning before, but put actively into legislative practice by William J. Clinton and his DLC allies with the assist of Newt Gingrich beginning in 1992 (Welfare destruction, deregulation and tough on mostly minority crime bills) were passed with a purpose one that continues unto our present day.

They are, like the candidates they support, neo-liberals. Some are also even neocons as well, much like Hillary Clinton.

Many of us call these sort of voters limousine liberals, or latte' liberals but they are something else (more accurate and less derogatory).

I have understood this a long time, most are comfortable financially (not necessarily rich yet many are) but able to always pay their bills, save for retirement, usually live in the 'burbs and own at least two cars (plus a starter car for their teenage child old enough to drive).

They like to consider themselves politically correct, believe in equality just enough to support it verbally and feel "evolved" (while thinking they deserve a badge for doing so) but would never put themselves in harms way for the rights and equality that sound as good to them coming out of their mouths as their own flatulence smells to them coming out of their own asses (they detect a whiff of roses when they breath it in). Yet words formed of methane are insincere and they are not attractive sounds to hear even if they make children laugh at times.

They ARE moderate Republicans (like the ones that no longer exist outside the Democratic party), I remember back when most Republicans were sane and many (certainly not the Goldwater or John Birch types though) believed in civil rights, choice and other equality issues, they were different in that they believed in Republican fiscal values, the old bootstrap philosophy made popular by Ayn Rand (even if the Democratic version would never admit it).

[Lil Missy]

17. good! Will need a large donor base for the general.

[egalitegirl]

20. A few mega donors do not make a large donor base

Must be hard to grasp. Selling herself to the mega donors who represent corporate interests of the Bush family is not the same as raising money from a large donor base.

Bush family is corrupt and anyone who gets money from the same sources as the Bush family is equally corrupt.

[Vinca]

39. Woo! Hoo! We're all Republican-lite now!

[Thinkingabout]

29. The candidate who has been influenced by the NRA is Sanders, he did not have a time where Hillary

was influenced.

[Waiting For Everyman]

37. Sure that's why Obama called her "Annie Oakley" in the 2008 campaign.

On one hand, most of the ridiculous comments here aren't worth the effort of correcting. On the other hand, you get sick and tired sometimes of watching the drivel float by.

[Thinkingabout]

42. Still waiting for the connection of influence occurred.

[dreamnightwind]

30. Also, More Gates! More Petraeus! What's not to like?

[bahrbearian]

34. "Hillary 2016, Better than Trump ask Dick Cheney"

[intheflow]

40. The low bar has been set! n/t

[MisterP]

35. please clap

[Waiting For Everyman]

36. HRC's camp doesn't care if she broke laws, so anything she does is a-ok.

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They have actually created a situation where she can do whatever the hell she wants, and get away with it. Hillary has a BLANK CHECK to break laws, even be under FBI investigation for a 4-yr-long national security catastrophe and graft operation run in the State Dept., start wars, anything she wants with no charges brought and nothing to stop her. Even Bernie bought into it thus far. Because Republicans!!!

This is what is truly scary to me. That, right there. No consequences Hillary.

The law means nothing anymore. And this, brought about by two lawyers.



Not only is she not stopped, much less punished for anything she does, she's on track to be REWARDED with the Presidency for it!

Of course, she'll pick up all the big checks now, you can count on it. There is no down side for her, and she knows that, so why wouldn't she?


I used to defend her when she was attacked by Republicans, and I'm damn sorry I did.

(There's a song called "Devil In Disguise" by Yngwie Malmsteen, and another called "Judas". I won't bore others with posting them -- any interested look on YouTube -- but I'm going to go listen to both of them now as a catharsis because they remind me of what the Clintons have brought us to. Us, Dems and Americans. No I'm not exaggerating, we let this go on from here at our great peril. "I'd rather reign in hell some said, than serve in heaven." See ya all later.)

[Thinkingabout]

43. Like breaking campaign finance laws, yes it seems ok to take more than the $2700 from

A single source for some candidates. Second letter if investigation.

[FlatBaroque]

46. how could you be so sexist!!?!

[lostnfound]

38. She has a choice to reach out to left or to the right; right has $

The left has a little money too, but not enough to throw around on a candidate who ultimately won't serve their economic interests

The left had money to give to Bernie, because it saw that it was our best chance to disrupt the corporate control over decisions of war, climate change and neoliberal trade policies

[intheflow]

41. Reaching out to the party that gave us Trump.

The party that's blocking the SCOTUS nomination. The party that wants to roll back a woman's reproductive rights. The party that gutted the EPA. Debbie Wasseman Schultz is worried about Independents voting primaries? I'm worried about the Republicans who jump ship and decide to start registering as Democrats, voting in down-ticket conservatives under our Party name.

[FlatBaroque]

45. The master stroke for Hillary would be a Jeb Bush VP slot.

The Clinton's and the Bush's serving together? My God, the majesty of it all!!

[Orsino]

48. I wonder what assurances she is offering in exchange. n/t

[nemo137]

49. Read the politico article, didn't sound like it was going terribly well for her...

A lot of "I don't like Trump, but..." and "I might vote for her, but not donate..." and the like. My guess is that it's in service of a "Hillary is a uniter!" general election message. I get it, but it still sucks.

[TheBlackAdder]

50. That didn't take long.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

52. Attention board owners! We need a special forum entitled "Say shitty stuff about Hillary here"

Since more than half of all posts and threads on this message board attack Hillary Clinton, usually for non stories or made up bullshit (which given how many real things there are to not like about her and there are, diminishes them) I think it would make sense to seperate off all the hate.

[timmymoff]

54. Once again, her actions are an attack.

How dareth you attack her and speak of which she is doing. Wow.

[Ferd Berfel]

55. Well if the shit fits

Another recommendation for: Thought Police.

She's not the second coming..... She has a huge amount of baggage - it needs to be addressed.
What are you afraid of?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

56. All I said was on this DEMOCRATIC message board, if you want to attack the Democrat

to do it in a special forum.

The TOS probably dont allow it AT ALL, based on my reading, but since it is now allowed and since it is almost all that is done here, I just had a suggestion.

I know who I will blame if Drumpf becomes president, by the way.

[Ferd Berfel]

57. so 'free speech' zones - Like BUsh/Cheney/Rove ?

perfect

[Jackie Wilson Said]

58. Free speech? Since when does someone who will let Drumpf be president give one shit about that?

[Ferd Berfel]

59. Don't try to back me in to a corner, put a gun to my head

and tell me I'm obligated to vote for one Republican neocon over another Republican fascist.

The DLC Blue Dog Third Way crowd has been making that argument for decades

[Armstead]

60. "Say Shitty things about Bernie" is okay though, eh?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

61. No, but since most of it goes the other way I figured it deserved a forum

[brooklynite]

64. If they want to give their money to a pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-Immigration, pro-tax Dem...

...who am I to complain?

[Sheepshank]

65. I find it delicious that Rep money will be used to roust the Rep candidate n/t

[KoKo]

66. K&R!