Clinton’s VP Trial Balloon: Can She Really Be This Full of Air?

[marmar]

(The Progressive) Almost as fast as Carly Fiorina disappeared from that stage in Lafayette earlier this week, Donald Trump became the Republican nominee on Tuesday night.

Why? For sure, a lot of it was racist, misogynist, loud-mouthed buffoonery. But most of it was his central theme was that he wasn't bought, that he's, "not in this for anyone other than YOU.” And his most powerful message about how things would be different under Trump? No more corporate-written trade deals that export American jobs overseas.

Meanwhile, on the Democratic side, Hillary Clinton is firmly in the driver’s seat, but she can't quite get Bernie out of the car. Why? Sanders has a message that is similar to Trump’s—minus the misogyny, racism and buffoonery. Actually, Trump, a master used car salesman, was quick to see what was working for Sanders and stole it.

Clinton’s latest attempt to shake off Sanders, who is at this moment is clinging with steely determination to the bumper of the 2016 campaign, is to float the idea of a potential Vice Presidential candidate. After all, what better says, “It’s over! I got this!” than picking your running mate?

Not a bad strategy, unless the person you are floating undermines your assurances to working class voters that you’ve seen the error of your ways when it comes to corporate give-away trade deals and you’re really in it for them now. .........(more)

- See more at: http://www.progressive.org/news/2016/05/188713/clinton%E2%80%99s-vp-trial-balloon-can-she-really-be-full-air#sthash.ItYtbIOT.dpuf

[JaneyVee]

1. Shes not picking Sanders as her VP.

She is trying to portray Trump as a loose cannon. No way shes choosing a different loose cannon as her VP.

[marmar]

2. Huh? Repetez en anglais, s'il vous plait.

[Kelvin Mace]

11. HRC considers Sanders as bad as Trump

[Hortensis]

71. NO. Sorry, no. However, they are very different people and

would both have to work too hard at getting along, assuming both were interested. They both have much more important things to do, and she in particular will need a good strong VP. Would any SBSer here who felt contempt for those who voted for Hillary choose one of us as a working mate, or vice versa?

Anyway, as it turns out, this is about Tim Kaine.

[pnwmom]

73. No, she has said there's a huge gulf between the two of them and all the Rethugs.

That doesn't mean he'd be her choice for VP, however.

[cali]

6. Nope. Try reading. Hilly will pick a through and through third wayer. It's who she is.

[leveymg]

53. Not only a Third Wayer, but more importantly to her, a trusted Neocon. That person may have to

replace her after the FBI report is released.

[scscholar]

77. That was overly hard...

plus it assumes a pardon isn't coming.

[leveymg]

84. She can't run if she is found to have violated security. She can't win if she's pardoned.

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She can't govern if she's elected. She'll be impeached.

[scscholar]

87. I didn't see that part in my Constitution

There's nothing preventing the elected leader from ruling.

[Hortensis]

72. Cali, could there be two of you posting under that name?

Often on GS, posts seem fairly thoughtful and informed, but here they usually very sound very different, like the knee-jerk product of someone who believes her own propaganda, complete with sound bite terminology. What's up with this?

[KittyWampus]

15. Another personal attack by a Sanders supporters. And clutter=this stupid OP

that suggests Clinton is "floating" the idea of Sanders as VP. Her campaign has done nothing of the sort.

And comparing Trump to Sanders "minus the misogyny and racism" is saying that a bicycle is like a car minus the engine.

[marmar]

19. Umm, the OP is about Clinton floating the idea of Tim Kaine as running mate.

So tell me again where the stupid is?

[Armstead]

20. Did you even read the article at the link?

Unfortunately, that is exactly the problem with the current buzz over Virginia Senator Tim Kaine. There are a lot of good things you can say about Kaine’s progressive record, but you’d be hard-pressed to find someone who is more of “free trade” zealot than this guy. He has been the Senate’s most fanatical supporter of the wildly unpopular Tran-Pacific Partnership (TPP) and reauthorization of fast track.

Since he’s been in the Senate, Kaine has never been below 50 percent on the U.S. Chamber of Commerce’s annual voter scorecard. Annnnnd, he was one of the 22 Democratic senators who voted to weaken the already too weak Dodd-Frank Act in 2014. Annnnnnnnnd nothing says DC insider like being the former head of the DNC and an avid member of the now-defunct corporate lair, the Democratic Leader Council (DLC).

In the dynamics of this year’s race, Clinton floating Kaine as her VP pick is like floating Typhoid Mary to be your health inspector.

- See more at: http://www.progressive.org/news/2016/05/188713/clinton%E2%80%99s-vp-trial-balloon-can-she-really-be-full-air#sthash.ItYtbIOT.nzBRfwKD.dpuf

[CorporatistNation]

80. Kaine, Warner... She Is ALL IN For Her CORPORATIST BENEFACTORS... INCLUDING THE TOP END BUSH

DONOR CLASS! So just what is a Democrat anyway... cause it ain't this life long dreamer...

[thesquanderer]

24. The OP is about Clinton floating Tim Kaine as VP, not Sanders.

Admittedly the poster did not select the most elucidating paragraphs to excerpt (or provide his or her own summary), but there's nothing there that says Hillary's considering Sanders as VP, either.

[cali]

28. Bwahaha. Nothing like opening your mouth and.....

[rhett o rick]

47. When you are trying desparately to get credit for the first response to an OP you

don't have time to write much substance. It's a tactic that is, in my mind, childish.

[libdem4life]

57. I have noticed that overwhelmingly posts that have the Red H are bolded

because they usually contain only one sentence...or one word. Never any substance or discussion...kind of the hubris called End of Story.

[JackRiddler]

17. YOU DID NOT READ

You should apologize for cluttering this thread.

[moriah]

50. I did, and it's unsourced opinion.

The only thing I ever heard on the idea of a unity ticket was this from Sanders:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/06/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-vice-president/

But Hillary's floating the trial balloons, right.

Anyway, you'll see the story I'm more interested in right now at the top of the page, so if this is such a new trial balloon, I might have missed it. Take care, off to try to read the legal complaint NC decided to draft against the Justice Department.

[JackRiddler]

61. I don't think you read it either.

The article is not about Sanders as VP. Not at all, not from any angle. It's about Kaine.

[moriah]

62. I know, and there isn't a source for that alleged trial balloon either in it.

Again, maybe it was something big on TV.

I admit that not only do I not have the money for cable, but it's easier to stream or look at articles than listen to talking heads. I developed my distaste for corporate news even before 2000, but particularly in 2003. Still, I also didn't have a TV on 9/11, and my husband and I were alerted to what was happening by my mother. We were in a studio apartment and had a friendly neighbor across from us, who we woke up with the news of the first attack, and watched that morning on his TV.

[JackRiddler]

63. Yeah, the Sanders as VP talk is nonsense.

There was no trial balloon from her and he didn't say anything particularly interesting after the 500th time the media pestered him about it, but they blew it up for all it's worth.

[NurseJackie]

18. Two Considerations: Someone QUALIFIED now, and someone who'll be YOUNG ENOUGH in eight years.

It makes more sense for Hillary to choose someone who's qualified now to accept a position that's "one-heartbeat-away" ... AND who will still be be young enough in eight years to run and be elected as the 46th president.

It also makes more sense for Hillary to choose someone who's not going to try and sabotage her presidency or the party. (I wouldn't trust Bernie any further than I could toss him across the room.)

[SwampG8r]

27. You should read the link

Before enforcing your "lalalalala " cred
Some might say uninformed comments like yours are a sign of dumbassery
Not me of course i think your adorable but some might
Would a map to the point help?

[cali]

30. Tim Kaine is younger than she is, dear nurse. Way to open your mouth and......

[NurseJackie]

31. He doesn't appeal to me.

[cali]

33. He's well aligned with her

[NurseJackie]

39. Okay. He still doesn't appeal to me.

[Fawke Em]

66. Why not? He's basically a male Hillary.

[NurseJackie]

67. So I should prefer him because he's male?

Oh, you guys!

[Fawke Em]

75. Hill supporters and their constant need to find sexism. Ugh.

No. I meant that his positions are just like Hillary's. The only difference is that he's male; therefore, I can't see why you wouldn't like him.

[NurseJackie]

79. Then why did you mention his gender at all?

[HERVEPA]

25. Loose cannon? Huh? She didn't say she was picking you Janey.

[Sheepshank]

55. why are you calling out and insulting a DU'er who has not said a word to you?

such poor form

[Sheepshank]

64. I know you cant reply because you have a hidden post

but I wanted to make sure this comment was linked you your comments.

your insults are nasty, pathetic and feel desperate

you really need to chill.

[Tarc]

3. "trade policy...the #1 issue of the 2016 campaign"

If that is true, then the voters side with Hillary over Sanders on the issue.

Kaine would be a fine pick, IMO.

[marmar]

4. In what alternate universe?

That's beyond delusional.

[Tarc]

7. Er, in the universe where Clinton has the nomination essentially sewn up?

3,000,000 votes, 291 pledged delegates. Ring a bell?

[Armstead]

21. About 40 percent oppose her...ring a bell?

Democrats tell that 40 percent to "fuck off" at its peril.

[Tarc]

22. 60 > 40

#realitymath

Btw, suppose the tables were turned. Would you support Bernie tacking right to pick up the 40% who voted for Hillary?

[Armstead]

26. Electoral math -- if the Democrats blow off 40 percent of its potential voters....

they lose -- this time and in the future.

get ready for a significant third party as a perpetual spoiler to emerge if your attitude reflects that of the Democratic Party.

Hopefully they're smarter than that and will not be as dismissive as you are.

[Tarc]

29. Bernie's mostly-white, male, millennial base isn't really the base that it thinks it is, I'm afraid

Women and people of color have made their voices heard this primary season.

You aren't really needed.

[Armstead]

32. Enjoy President Trump and long GOP domination then

But I doubt that attitude you are expressing is really representative of actual Democratic Party thinking

[Tarc]

37. Your vote is yours, no one's gonna beg you for it

If you want to be on-board then by all means do so. Most supporters of the 2nd-place finisher get over their bitterness by the time the fall rolls around though. 2008's P.U.M.A.s were a statistical insignificance.

[Armstead]

41. I'll vote for Clinton myself just to stop Trump...but that's not the point

You seem to be good at missing points...Buh Bye

[Tarc]

42. That's all we'd like from you

But if not, it isn't the end of the world. Be a part of the Bernie or Bush half-percenters, it doesn't matter.

[unapatriciated]

40. You are very lucky that many of us do not vote based on Clinton supporters

continued dismissal of Sander's supporters.
I'm 64, a woman, long term D and stand with my children and grandchildren in their support of Sanders policies.
Keep it up and your self fulfilling prophecy will come true.

You are delusional if you "rally" believe that millennials and voters like myself are not...."rally needed".

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/the-liberal-millennial-revolution/470826/

[DefenseLawyer]

5. Tim Kaine? How about Evan Bayh? Harold Ford? Is Ben Nelson still alive?

Joe Lieberman seems like the logical choice to me.

[Armstead]

23. I wonder what Zell Miller is up to these days? Is Joe Lieberman available?

Is Max Baucus available?

[DefenseLawyer]

34. Hill/Zell 16!

[Armstead]

43. LOL -- They can challenge Trump to a duel

[ljm2002]

8. The article makes a good point...

...but of course anyone who thought Clinton would choose a running mate who doesn't like trade agreements, was deluding themselves to begin with.

Even if the article was bogus, though, it has one of the best images of this campaign:

"Clinton’s latest attempt to shake off Sanders, who is at this moment is clinging with steely determination to the bumper of the 2016 campaign" ...

Made me laugh out loud. I can see where it would make people on the other side laugh too, obviously for somewhat different reasons. But still, I can just see it, and I can see the expression on his face, and I thank the author of the piece for such a vividly drawn and amusing mental image.

[Thinkingabout]

9. There is a large pool from which to select, she will make a very decision.

She will probably get someone like VP Biden who has been very supportive of President Obama.

[Wilms]

10. "Large poop", indeed. n/t

[Thinkingabout]

14. Typo, corrected BTW on the other hand a lot of poop, she will pass those and select a great VP.

[Autumn]

13. How very right you are. A large poop indeed.

Sometimes the veil is lifted.

[Bluenorthwest]

45. She will make a very decision? Is that what you meant to type? I don't think so....

nt

[Katashi_itto]

16. I wonder which Republican it will be?

[BuelahWitch]

35. How about Jeb Bush?

He's available! and he's her "brother-in-law'!

[Katashi_itto]

38. True, I think someone with more pretend acceptabilty. There are lots for her to pick from.

She needs someone that is good at giving lip service to the left while actually moving RW agenda.

[dana_b]

44. not surprised at all

she is sticking to her base. Yuck.

[Bluenorthwest]

46. Kaine is one of the more homophobic Democrats, it would make a ticket nearly impossible to

endorse. Can't stand Tim Kaine. Not even a little.

[Doctor_J]

48. She will choose another right winger, probably another bfee member

We The People have pretty much lost control of the country.

[Thinkingabout]

49. I would bet it would not be Sanders since he said she was not qualified for the job, if I was

looking for a promotion it would not be by saying the one in charge is not qualified, definite losing quality.

[Skink]

51. Our wonderful media designed this one

She is going to pick Julian Castro.

[Armstead]

54. Same basic idea as Kane, but in a fresher package

[Vote2016]

52. There needs to be a progressive on the ticket, but Sanders isn't the best VP pick. Maybe Warren or

Hickenlooper or - better yet - let's put Sanders at the top of the ticket instead of a neolib-neocon who's the least popular Democrat ever seriously considered for nomination?

[Skink]

56. Castro seems progressive

[Vote2016]

58. Castro (like Booker) is a good candidate but not terribly progressive - more centrist

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[floppyboo]

60. Looks like he has left himself vulnerable to some attacks from 'liberals'

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/277339-julian-castro-pushes-back-against-liberal-critics

The head of the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) has come under fire recently from left-leaning groups critical that the agency is selling troubled mortgages to hedge funds and other Wall Street interests, a move the critics fear will create another foreclosure crisis.
But Castro, who is widely considered a vice presidential prospect for the Democratic ticket this year, says those concerns have been blown out of proportion.

In an interview with New Yorker Editor-in-Chief David Remnick, Castro acknowledged that private banks have been snapping up the mortgages through HUD's Distressed Asset Stabilization Program (DASP).
But he rejected the notion that the initiative is a gift for banks or a threat to the housing market, arguing instead that the sales are stabilizing the market and preventing foreclosures.
"It's true that a lot of folks that got these, purchased these notes, are private sector actors, banks and so forth," Castro told WNYC Studios’ “The New Yorker Radio Hour.” "But the entire idea of the program, and what the program is aiming at, is to actually keep people in their home."

Castro also took at shot at his liberal critics, comparing them to Tea Party purists who focus on "sloganeering" at the expense of "being thoughtful about policy and actually constructing something that works."
"Just shouting ‘Wall Street,’ sloganeering in a way, does not go to the merits of the program and how it's working and how we can actually improve it," he said.

The explanation likely won't appease critics, who are circulating an online petition that accuses Castro of reneging on earlier promises to use the DASP program to sell troubled mortgage loans to nonprofit community groups, not Wall Street banks.
Instead, the groups say the program has been "a giveaway" to the banks, with 98 percent of the program's mortgages going to Wall Street last year.

click on link for full story

[Sheepshank]

65. So a likely nominee is being preempted by the nameless obstructionist, passing around petitions

that smacks of desperation to me. Desperate the try and nullify a nomination that would cause a lot of cross over votes. A lot!!

[TheBlackAdder]

69. Castro is not ready yet. He's being forced like the Reps propped up Rubio. And we know that outcome.

.


I am leery when an institution or set of institutions try to force a candidate or policy.

There is generally one or more ulterior motives involved.


.

[MisterP]

68. yes, the party's handed the keys to the driver 10-15 laps behind the other car

[icecreamfan]

70. Clinton, Kaine, and Schumer: The face of the Democratic Party? sigh

[Fawke Em]

74. That's a real yawner.

That won't be exciting enough to melt ice cream in July.

[KPN]

76. This kind of judgement is why HRC couold very well lose the GE to Trump --

-- if she wins the nomination.

She is out of touch with the average person; visiting day care centers, churches, and attending local coffee klatches won't mitigate that. She's going to have to do a whole heck of a lot better job convincing the average person that she understands their basic economic concerns and will make addressing those concerns in a meaningful way her priority if she is going to win. Not sure she has the ability to do that.

[Betty Karlson]

78. If she goes with Kaine, expect me to say goodbey to the Democratic Party forever.

And yes, I wouldn't put it past her to be that full of air. Which is why I cling to the hope of some major upset by Sanders.

[Warren DeMontague]

81. Chris Christie has made it known that he's available.

[NCTraveler]

82. "Sanders has a message that is similar to Trump’s"

Lots of similarities in their demeanor as well. That's for sure.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

83. A solid second choice to Rahm Emanuel

[yellowcanine]

85. What "VP Trial Balloon" ??? I read the article and don't see the evidence.

There is no actual citation, just some speculation about Tim Kaine. Did I miss something?

[Wednesdays]

86. Somebody at The Progressive has esp?