2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI'm listening to Bob Cesca say a Clinton/Sanders ticket
would destroy the GOP. A 50 state blue map in my lifetime. Does our Democratic Party have the courage to do this?
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Bernie has serious baggage and comes from a nothing state.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...Bernie has serious baggage. Are you suggesting Hillary doesn't? Or that it doesn't compare?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Are you sure you're on the correct site? Was it a nothing state when Howard Dean was running?
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)That means it doesn't offer enough to put Sanders on the ticket. It's not going to go Republican without Sanders on the ticket.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,325 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)While Vermont may be a wonderful state, it is not significant in terms of the electoral college. We need to pick a candidate that can give us an advantage. I don't think Bernie or Vermont can do that. I want to beat Trump period. If I thought Bernie would help, I would be all for it. But he wouldn't.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)But I have seen it...it is out there. There is probably more too. We always knew the GOP had a reason for wanting Bernie as the Dem. Nominee. I don't think he would help her...so say what you want. I thought he was too pure anyway.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Sure it can, and will, to voters over 50.
villager
(26,001 posts)Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)Exactly what is his baggage? Not that I want Bernie to be Hillary's VP, but your statement sounds like pure crap just for the sake of crappiness.
MBS
(9,688 posts)I don't think it would be an effective partnership, either in the election or in the White House. This says nothing negative about either one, but it just wouldn't work.
They both have something to contribute to the country, but I can't see them working well together as long-time close associates, which is what the best Pres/VP partnerships require.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...and even if it did, I wouldn't want Clinton at the top. She'd still be making the final calls on things and she hasn't shown good judgement over the years (at least not the first time around...give her 10-15 years and she usually comes around).
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)LexVegas
(6,060 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)I'd have to agree.
TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)Biden had a bit more Congressional experience.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)they would much rather see another neocon/pro war/free trade loving conservative in it with her.
BeyondGeography
(39,370 posts)mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)but Bernie Sanders will never be irrelevant. You are sadly mistaken about that.
BeyondGeography
(39,370 posts)There's the debate and not much else.
Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)that's what they don't get.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Sanders bizarre essays and votes against Amber Alert would be enough to sink such a ticket.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)And the bill you speak of, which had as one part the creation of a national coordination team for the already existing Amber Alerts got a no vote from Bernie and from John Lewis, Maxine Waters, Bobby Scott, Barney Frank and a wide variety of progressive minority Congress people.
Why do you cast shade on John Lewis? Why do you create suspicion around that vote? What motivates you to do such things?
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)and not ride Senator Sander's coat tails to the top.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)No.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I am for any ticket that wins but the advanced age of both candidates together should give anybody pause. The older you are the more likely you are to have an adverse medical event. This is straightforward actuarial stuff.
oasis
(49,379 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)No sale.
Joob
(1,065 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)(a word Hillary should get acquainted with) to pair himself with her lying dishonesty.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)KPN
(15,643 posts)I doubt Bernie would either, but for more admirable reasons.
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CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)I think it's interesting, maybe unite the party, but not according to comments here. I honestly think Hillary could lose to Trump, and, believe me, I hate to say that.
jillan
(39,451 posts)help her win over the under 45 yo vote OR dem leaning independents.
She needs to do that on her own.
I'd be very disappointed in Bernie if he agreed to that.
senz
(11,945 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)It's unlikely any DEM combo wins all 50.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)brooklynite
(94,517 posts)As to your 50 State dream, how does Sanders winning a Democratic Caucus in AK, OK, NE, MT, UT, ND, SD...and LOSING Democratic Primaries in SC, GA, MS, AL, LA and TX get you 50 States?
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)by posting provocative fantasy.
Good question you pose. The answer of course is, it doesn't.
mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)SC, GA, MS, AL, LA and TX get Democrats any electoral votes from those states in the GE? Hillary will lose those states flat out, and several more. So, what's your point?
brooklynite
(94,517 posts)...and the Southern States aren't needed for an EV win (see: 2008, 2012).
As it is, Clinton appears to be putting AZ and GA into play, and the HB2 debalce could flip NC.
mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)Careful. With logical statements like that, someone might accuse you of calling southern states, southern voters, or AA voters irrelevant.
But I agree, Clinton/Sanders is not a path to a 50 state victory. But it could help Clinton win more states. Voters who are otherwise either so unmotivated by the options that they stay home OR are so oriented toward anti-establishment that they reluctantly swing to Trump over Clinton may actually "hold their noses" and vote Clinton if Sanders is on the ticket. Sanders' die-hard supporters will come out to vote for him in the only way they can, and that could swing some states to her. Possibly more than any other "strategic" pick.
And it's not a cynical or "sell-out" move for Bernie either, as some suggest. As I said in one of the many related threads, he could get some concessions from her in exchange for being on the ticket, so it could actually be a policy victory as well. Better to get something than nothing. And if Hillary ever has to step down, he becomes President. Assuming he does not get the nomination, it's the only shot he's got.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Dan Choi and other LGBT who dared to challenge Obama policy. I generally can't stand him and I think this ticket is not very logical but I also think he's right, it would cause a huge landslide for the Democratic ticket.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)the Berniestans would turn against Sanders in a split-second if he made any deal with Hillary.
Bernie4VP
(2 posts)A Hillary/Bernie ticket would reunite the party! Bernie on the ticket would reassure his followers that she is serious about moving left, and save us from the nightmare of a Trump presidency; He's got the nomination in the bag, so it's real now! We have to stop kidding ourselves that it's going to be someone like Ted Cruz
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Clinton will go for a much younger VEEP from a swing state. She needs to build a wall, if she wants to win. And I will add, a neo liberal Why the Castro brothers keep getting floated. I am almost betting somebody from the Mid West.
In another reality this would be a unity ticket, that is not the way the Clintons think.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Not by 50 states, but the outlook is good.