POLITICO: Pagliano's Missing Emails Were Not Because He Didn't Use His .GOV Account

[berni_mccoy]

Oh My.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/05/hillary-clinton-texts-bryan-pagliano-emails-222973

The State Department maintains that it cannot find any text messages sent to or from former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and cannot locate any emails received or sent by a key information technology staffer during her tenure, lawyers for the Republican Party said in a court filing Monday.
However, a State spokeswoman said Monday the agency has located some emails belonging to the computer specialist, Bryan Pagliano, although the messages were found in other people's accounts.

We also know today that State has no emails from Pagliano, which means he deleted them all on his side. We also know that there were none found in the released emails (that were not deleted) from her server.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511929154

It's looking more and more like Hillary deleted Pagliano's emails...

We also know that Russian hackers knew of the server as (and made attacks on it) as early as 2011, predating Guccifer's attack and refuting the unnamed sources that her server contained no signs of hacking.

It's looking more like Hillary's guilty of obstruction which is a charge that was also raised today ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511928297 )

[Bob41213]

1. Is it possible they can't be released because of the FBI investigation?

[berni_mccoy]

3. They would say that then. They wouldn't say they can't find them while finding his emails

in other peoples accounts.

[NWCorona]

25. Truthfully that is something I haven't thought of.

We must remember that the FBI investigation was supposedly was going on much earlier that first thought and came through seizing all kinds of stuff.

Still doubtful but definitely something to think about.

Thanks!

[tonyt53]

2. No, it looks more like desperation from Bernie's and Trumps supporters.

[oasis]

12. Lighten up. DU is fortunate to have such a devoted "E-mail" progress

reporter. We will be getting up to the minute details of every aspect of the "investigation" right up to the day Bernie finally gives his concession speech.

[Peace Patriot]

14. Trumpers should fear Bernie...

Bernie is way ahead of Clinton beating Trump in all polls.

[oasis]

20. Oh, so now we're to accept the accuracy of polling?

[Peace Patriot]

42. All polls, for 4 to 5 monrhs now.

Clinton even loses one recent poll to Trump (Rasmussen)! Bernie demolishes Trump!

[oasis]

43. Rasmussen? Are they still in business?

[Arneoker]

59. How long must I post this?

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/04/polls_say_bernie_is_more_electable_than_hillary_don_t_believe_them.html
Short story, Bernie hasn't been vetted nearly as much as Hillary in the media (people will really be interested in other things than the size of his rallies) but will be, and there will be plenty to attack him on. Ads would practically write themselves. "Bernie Sanders will raise your taxes and..."

[CorporatistNation]

60. Not Hearing THAT From The Clinton N"News" Network Or Ms. NBC!

Fascism on the march here!

[libdem4life]

17. Yep, it's a CT against HRC, no doubt about it. Those Bernie/Trump folk got to the State Department.

LOL.

The State Department maintains that it cannot find any text messages sent to or from former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and cannot locate any emails received or sent by a key information technology staffer during her tenure, lawyers for the Republican Party said in a court filing Monday.
However, a State spokeswoman said Monday the agency has located some emails belonging to the computer specialist, Bryan Pagliano, although the messages were found in other people's accounts.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/05/hillary-clinton-texts-bryan-pagliano-emails-222973#ixzz48C8zKtSY
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

[global1]

35. Exactly What Here Looks Like Desperation From Bernie's & Trump's Supporters?.....

What was reported was coming right from the State Dept.

[berni_mccoy]

5. As much as you wish, I'm not GOP.

I'm a life-long Democrat with blue collar roots.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

6. I dont know who you are, I do know that the right wing conspiracy to destroy Hillary Clinton

is all over this message board.

[berni_mccoy]

9. Hillary is doing that all by herself.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

10. All day long here...My favorite meme is how she is doing it herself. Well written right wing talkin

point

[frylock]

15. Who set up the mail server?

[Ned_Devine]

32. I think it was the right wing that set up the mail server

[frylock]

34. VRWCIT

[Ned_Devine]

37. I see you've heard of them

I heard that group used to to cattle futures contracts in Arkansas back in the late '70's.

[2cannan]

44. Today I had this idea for a political cartoon.

There is an almost empty cookie jar on a counter near a very young Chelsea and Hillary. Chelsea's hands have chocolate all over them and she also has some around her mouth. Hillary asks Chelsea who took the cookies from the cookie jar and Chelsea says, "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy, Mommy!"

[mindwalker_i]

48. *snort*

[Kittycat]

56. For the win.

[haikugal]

54. She did. Who deleted emails? She did. Etc. etc.

[frylock]

61. Damn you, VRWC!

:shakesfist:

[HooptieWagon]

8. Hillary is destroying herself with her bad judgement and poor decisions.

No need for help from anyone else.

[frylock]

13. Get some new material already.

[CoffeeCat]

23. Why don't you just STOP!

This is an issue that could upend our entire Democratic Party!

You gives a flying fuck about the Republicans?!?

Our Democratic nominee and the use of her unsecure, private server has been under FBI investigation for a year. Clinton doesn't have to be indicted for her to be out of the race. If the FBI finds evidence of criminal activity--she's done.

What then? Is it still a "right-wing" or a "Reoublican" problem then?

Are good Democrats supposed to sit around--not discussing this? Not asking questions when our frontrunner could be indicted as soon as June?

What exactly ARE you talking about?

This is a serious problem within the Democratic Party that could cause unprecedented chaos for our party and our election. We have the right to discuss this and to wonder what in the hell is going to happen.

Stop with the nonsense!

[Matariki]

27. If we don't talk about it, it won't be real

If we don't talk about it the Republicans will never know...

[CoffeeCat]

33. So...the people who don't want to talk about

our frontrunner and the FBI investigation that surrounds her--while we're in the throes of a Presidential election--are also the same people who started 150 threads about Bernie's trip to the Vatican?

Do I have that right?

Our party may be in peril and our frontrunner may be indicted before our Democratic Convention =


Bernie's Vatican trip =

[wendylaroux]

7. if they were erased,any way to bring them back?

[libdem4life]

19. No, she threw out her kitchen towel. Ha. She's toast. Just a matter of when.

[Kentonio]

29. Completely depends on how they were deleted

And whether there were any backup processes that could have retained a copy. There was some talk about a cloud backup, but I don't know for sure.

[wendylaroux]

31. so there is a way to make things disappear forever,yes,she would have

needed someone to do that for her.

[Kentonio]

58. Theoretically sure.

The problem with email tends to come with it being sent AND received. If you dig deeply enough on both sides, you of course have double the chance that one or the other will have gone through a backup process somewhere along the line even if the original source has been cleared.

[Land of Enchantment]

11. Oh what a wicked web we weave,

when first we practice to deceive...

[Blue Meany]

16. It could be that he didn't want to put their communications in writing.

He could have communicated by phone or face-to-face communication or even using paper documents, which are not as easy to search. It does suggest some concern for discretion about this, though not necessarily criminal intent. Lot's of people in the business world avoid putting things in writing and only keep emails for a short time because this is the first things lawyers look for in discovery for litigation.

[HooptieWagon]

18. Looks like more Clinton lies.

Kendall should tell her to shut up and plead the 5th, before she adds perjury to the other charges.

[libdem4life]

22. She's a fighter. She's gotten past all the other sleazy events, so there is

immense hubris. The more guilty they are, the less common sense they exhibit. This is true of all who flaunt the law...in one way or the other.

[Sheepshank]

21. A new conjecture that didn't match with the last conjecture

can you sort of get the story straight before posting all this stupid shit?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1929154

[libdem4life]

24. I think that is up to the investigators. None of us are the culprits

or the investigators. But we can read, deduce and make our own decisions. And this has as many tentacles as an octopus that even the Clinton Suffle can't hold out forever.

[LonePirate]

26. How does one make this leap in logic?

It's looking more and more like Hillary deleted Pagliano's emails...

I don't think Hillary the Luddite would even know to purge them from the server, let alone know how to purge them.

[berni_mccoy]

39. It's a fact that she deleted 30 thousand emails on her private server

Don't worry though the FBI has recovered them.

[LonePirate]

53. She didn't do it herself. She's not tech savvy enough.

There is no way she did it herself. The question is if she was aware they were deleted by either asking someone to delete them or being told after the fact without her knowledge.

[FlatBaroque]

28. It is time to focus on Trump

let Hillary sort out her legal matters.

[berni_mccoy]

30. It's time to prevent an epic fuck-up.

[amborin]

47. it's time to

ensure Bernie wins the remaining primaries!

[HereSince1628]

36. I'm not sure this means they were deleted by Pagliano, it means State doesn't have copies

That's no different from State not having Clinton emails because Clinton didn't use email through a State Dept computer.

I don't see why the guy who set up and maintained Clinton's private server and its email service and archive wouldn't also have almost all his stuff stuck on that private server.

[berni_mccoy]

38. If you read closer...

The state department can't find the PST file containing the emails from Clintons tenure as SoS. But the found emails from him to other users. That can really only mean one thing.

[HereSince1628]

45. If we can trust State Dept, it really means one thing...State doesn't have them

I'm not sure what one thing you think this -really- means. I don't know what it means beyond the obvious... State doesn't have emails to Clinton from Pagliano on the "PST" file they thought they should have. Means little to me as I don't know what the content of a PST file should be.

The concept of a missing record I think I understand. And I don't understand why the absence couldn't mean Pagliano never communicated with Clinton via email using a system that would generate a record in a State Dept PST file.

[AgerolanAmerican]

55. A PST file is an individual's mailbox in Microsoft exchange

If there's evidence the address was used, and the PST is not in the archives, it was removed by someone.

[Zynx]

40. You just keep jumping to conclusions, don't you?

[Babel_17]

41. And now the AP goes with it as well

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-05-09/state-dept-says-it-has-no-emails-from-ex-clinton-staffer?

The State Department says in a new court filing that it can find no emails to or from a former Hillary Clinton aide who worked for the agency and also managed Clinton's private computer server during her stint as secretary of state

May 9, 2016, at 3:35 p.m.

By STEPHEN BRAUN, Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) — The State Department can find no emails to or from a former Hillary Clinton aide who worked for the agency and also managed Clinton's private computer server while she served as secretary of state, the government said in a new court filing on Monday.

The government said as much in U.S. District Court in Washington in answer to a lawsuit by the Republican National Committee. The committee had sued over its public records request for all work-related emails sent to or received by Clinton's former aide, Bryan Pagliano, between 2009 and 2013, the years of Clinton's tenure. The lawsuit also pressed for other State Department records from the Clinton era.

The RNC's filing said lawyers for the agency had informed them in discussions that, "the State Department has represented that no responsive records exist" for any Pagliano emails. Pagliano was hired at the agency after reportedly setting up Clinton's server in 2009, but the lack of any official State Department emails raises the question whether he limited his email traffic using a private account, much like Clinton did during her four years as secretary, or whether his government emails were deleted.

[amborin]

46. obstruction, etc....

[EndElectoral]

49. Yeah. looks that way.

[Babel_17]

50. Now ABC gives its rundown

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/emails-found-hillary-clintons-senior-staffer-state-department/story?id=38989504

Emails From Hillary Clinton’s IT Director at State Department Appear to Be Missing

By JUSTIN FISHEL

May 9, 2016, 4:05 PM ET

The State Department said today it can’t find any of Bryan Pagliano’s emails from the time he served as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s senior information technology staffer during her tenure there.

Pagliano would have been required to turn over any official communications from his work account before he left the government. State Department officials say he had an official email account, but that they can't find any of those records and continue to search for them.

“The Department has searched for Mr. Pagliano’s email pst file and has not located one that covers the time period of Secretary Clinton’s tenure,” State Department spokesman Elizabeth Trudeau said today, referencing a file format that holds email.

“To be clear, the Department does have records related to Mr. Pagliano and we are working with Congress and [Freedom of Information Act] requesters to provide relevant material. The Department has located a pst from Mr. Pagliano’s recent work at the Department as a contractor, but the files are from after Secretary Clinton left the Department," Trudeau added.

Edit: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/09/vanished-emails-from-hillary-s-top-geek-are-m-i-a.html

Gone, Girl 05.09.16 4:33 PM ET
Mystery: Emails From Hillary’s Top Geek Are M.I.A.
You’d think the man who set up Clinton’s private server might have sent Hillary an email while they were in government together. But that’s not what the court documents show.

[silvershadow]

51. Wow. This thing doesn't just have legs, it has tentacles. nt

[GreenPartyVoter]

52. Many of them!

[ProgressiveEconomist]

57. Tech Support emails

Do you save all of them?

The OP is carrying water for the RNC, IMO.