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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Mon May 9, 2016, 06:00 PM May 2016

Compelling evidence suggests the Democratic Primaries are rigged... against Hillary Clinton.

The conventional wisdom regarding the 2016 Democratic primary seems suggest that the system has been hopelessly rigged in favor of Hillary Clinton. Bernie Sanders himself has repeatedly encouraged this viewpoint, arguing that the DNC has been unfair to his campaign by holding closed primaries, scheduling weekend debates, punishing him for improperly accessing Clinton campaign data, and by involving superdelegates in the nomination process. Just the other day his campaign complained that the Democratic National Convention drafting committee won’t include an equal number of representatives from each campaign (side note: why on earth should the losing and winning campaigns have an equal say in the party’s platform?)

In reality, the Democratic nomination process has favored Sanders from day one, as the Sanders campaign took advantage of low-turnout caucuses to inflate his pledged delegate total relative to his share of the actual popular vote. Indeed, Bernie Sanders currently holds 45.47% of the pledged delegates awarded so far despite winning only 42.26% of the popular vote. In contrast Hillary Clinton holds 54.53% of the pledged delegates despite winning 56.19% of the popular vote.

Sanders has benefited from this discrepancy because caucuses allow very few voters to award a large number of pledged delegates. Lets take a look at how each state voted. Specifically, lets look at how many voters are represented by a single pledged delegate in each state. Please note that I am estimating the turnout in a number of the caucus states which didn't report vote counts. There are numerous estimates of turnout in these states, and I always used the largest estimate AND rounded up in an attempt to be fair to Sanders (with the exception of Iowa where Clinton won and I used the lowest estimate I could find). I can’t find any turnout info. for Nevada.

Read more: http://www.dailykos.com/stories/1524415

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Compelling evidence suggests the Democratic Primaries are rigged... against Hillary Clinton. (Original Post) Cali_Democrat May 2016 OP
good one! wendylaroux May 2016 #1
The laffs keep coming. immoderate May 2016 #5
Ha! wendylaroux May 2016 #13
Come on, you know the DNC identified Sanders supporters and removed them from the rolls or Hoyt May 2016 #2
The caucus results were proof of that KingFlorez May 2016 #3
Is it our turn to whine? Oh wait, we are the adults, that see it as it is, and move forward. Nt seabeyond May 2016 #4
the numbers rigged against Hillary...and still she is winning ;) Sheepshank May 2016 #6
Ha Ha Ha Perogie May 2016 #7
Actually, Bernie benefits from low voter turnout. JaneyVee May 2016 #14
obviously you missed the point Perogie May 2016 #15
I see your Hillary propaganda machine is on full blast today ... and everyday. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #8
Oh I needed that belly laugh. The Great Coast to Coast Disenfranchisement Tour, along silvershadow May 2016 #9
On the contrary TheFarseer May 2016 #10
Popular votes aren't used to nominate people Cali_Democrat May 2016 #11
That's so backwards Hovind could have written it. hellofromreddit May 2016 #12
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. Come on, you know the DNC identified Sanders supporters and removed them from the rolls or
Mon May 9, 2016, 06:13 PM
May 2016

switched their parties. Not sure how they figured all that out and got into the voter files, but that's what folks have been saying.

Perogie

(687 posts)
7. Ha Ha Ha
Mon May 9, 2016, 06:21 PM
May 2016

You make it sound like 100% of the people voted in ballot primaries.

Less than 20% turnout in NY. I would say Hillary took advantage of the low voter turn out especially since there is evidence of voter suppression.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/04/new-york-primary-voter-purge

You can twist whatever you want into a pretzel to fit your narrative, but that doesn't make it the truth.


Voter turnout 2016 Primary
http://www.electproject.org/2016P

Caucuses are just like ballot elections. They are based on voter turnout. Those that show up get to vote.


 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
14. Actually, Bernie benefits from low voter turnout.
Mon May 9, 2016, 08:40 PM
May 2016

Hillary won 17 of 21 states with the highest voter turnout.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
9. Oh I needed that belly laugh. The Great Coast to Coast Disenfranchisement Tour, along
Mon May 9, 2016, 07:53 PM
May 2016

with Debbie-gate (the collusion between the DLC and HRC campaign) precede her. (I say DLC because it would appear we have no functioning DNC at the moment).

TheFarseer

(9,319 posts)
10. On the contrary
Mon May 9, 2016, 08:00 PM
May 2016

Bernies vote totals are depressed because states like Nebraska that he mopped the floor in had caucuses. If they had a primary, he would have gotten about the same percentage of a larger vote total, thus pumping up his total votes.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
11. Popular votes aren't used to nominate people
Mon May 9, 2016, 08:02 PM
May 2016

Delegates are.

In reality, the Democratic nomination process has favored Sanders from day one, as the Sanders campaign took advantage of low-turnout caucuses to inflate his pledged delegate total relative to his share of the actual popular vote. Indeed, Bernie Sanders currently holds 45.47% of the pledged delegates awarded so far despite winning only 42.26% of the popular vote. In contrast Hillary Clinton holds 54.53% of the pledged delegates despite winning 56.19% of the popular vote.

Sanders has benefited from this discrepancy because caucuses allow very few voters to award a large number of pledged delegates.

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