(the transcripts) "would be like a bomb going off..."

[amborin]

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/279072-gop-operatives-on-the-prowl-for-secret-clinton-transcripts


Republican operatives are scouring the country for transcripts, notes or secret recordings of Hillary Clinton’s paid speeches to Goldman Sachs in hopes of finding damaging material for the general election.

Clinton has rebuffed calls from Bernie Sanders to release the transcripts of her three speeches to the Wall Street giant, which she delivered in 2013 to the tune of $225,000 per appearance. She has repeatedly said she will release the transcripts of her paid speeches when all the presidential candidates agree to do so.

Republican opposition researchers have taken matters into their own hands, aggressively seeking any information about the speeches, including from Goldman employees who were in the room.

Ian Prior, the communications director for the well-funded Republican group American Crossroads, said information about the Goldman Sachs speeches could prove cataclysmic for the Democratic Party.

Finding and releasing the transcripts “would be a heck of a way to outflank Hillary on her left [in a general election] and stop Bernie’s supporters from voting for her,” he said.

snip

Media outlets have unearthed some tantalizing clues. Politico has reported that, during one of the Goldman speeches, “Clinton offered a message that the collected plutocrats found reassuring, according to accounts offered by several attendees, declaring that the banker-bashing so popular within both political parties was unproductive and indeed foolish.”

In a 2016 Politico story, one attendee recalled that Clinton “was pretty glowing about us” and “sounded more like a Goldman Sachs managing director” than Sanders, her populist foe in the general election race.

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[Actor]

1. Why would repubs care? They are going to accuse her of doing what they worship Trump for doing?

[2cannan]

2. Because it may show she is a hypocrite, liar or flip flopper. nt

[Actor]

4. Repubs worship people like that.

[2cannan]

5. Yes, but some in her base won't and may not vote for her or sit the election out. nt

[Actor]

6. Ahh, but the story is allegedly about REPUBS doing this, and why would you or anyone

who says they are a liberal want the Democratic base to not vote for the Democrat?

did I misread you?

[IdaBriggs]

21. You asked a question "why would they do that" and were given an answer:

because it will make Hillary look bad, which is why the Republicans are going to release them, and Hillary won't.

At that point, when Hillary tries to shore up her base "but I'm really a Democrat who was just being nice to the Republicans" the issue becomes "who to believe, Hillary or your lying eyes?"

To be fair, her supporters don't seem to care about those issues, so it's just the rest of the country who will be so much more disgusted ....

[Actor]

23. So multiple people on this democratic board are promoting anti Hillary stuff in hopes

that if she is the candidate, Trump will win. OK

Just a surprise, is all.

[IdaBriggs]

31. NO. Please go read YOUR POST #1 in this thread.

YOU ASKED --

Why would repubs care? They are going to accuse her of doing what they worship Trump for doing?

And have been answered. No one is happy about it, but it inevitable because it is part of Hillary's baggage. She is a very weak candidate who makes DUMB moves like taking quarter million dollar speaking gigs while everyone is fretting about money and corruption in politics.

[Actor]

32. Not answered. And as bad as she is compared to someone like Bernie, she is that

GOOD compared to Trump

[IdaBriggs]

34. Okay. You didn't like the answer you were given, so let me try again.

YOU ASKED --

Why would repubs care?

Because they want to win, and doing so will help them.

Is that better?

[Actor]

35. They dont CARE, that is the point, it isnt them this is meant for.

[IdaBriggs]

37. You are not making any sense. Of course the Republicans care about winning.

And "things that make Hillary look bad to her base" are tops on the list.

She won't release them, so by definition they are going to make her look bad.

They find/release them, the Democrats find out she was really saying inappropriate things ("I may have to say mean things about you to win, but don't worry because I'll protect you from those nasty regulators" for example), and the rebellion from our ranks escalates.

What is hard to understand about this? It's what happens when a weak, dirty candidate is picked.

[Actor]

39. No, the people this is aimed at is the alleged liberals who hate Hillary.

[IdaBriggs]

40. Yes. The REPUBLICANS are aiming it at ACTUAL Liberals. nt

[Actor]

42. No liberals sit out this election, all real liberals show up and vote Democratic. This is not

debatable.

If you sit it out or vote 3rd, find another label because you are not a liberal if you do that.

[IdaBriggs]

43. That is your opinion. It will also help you

scapegoat every one who disagrees with you and blame them for the inevitable loss while allowing you to feel like a victim.

Yuck.

[Beowulf]

44. Why, when there won't be any liberals on the ticket?

[AgingAmerican]

56. Real Liberals vote their concience

They do not vote the lesser of two evils.

[amborin]

59. +100000

[blackspade]

99. Liberals do not equal Democrats.

Some liberals are Democrats.
Some Democrats are liberals.
Not all liberals are Democrats.
Not all Democrats are liberals.

Hope that helps!

[lagomorph777]

66. This is why Trump hasn't released them already, though he surely has plenty.

"Finding and releasing the transcripts “would be a heck of a way to outflank Hillary on her left and stop Bernie’s supporters from voting for her,” he said."

They are saving this ammo for the GE. Trump Really Really wants to go up against Hillary - she's such an easy target.

[libdem4life]

22. When she goes over to the Dark Side to get money, as of yesterday.

It is folly to think that the monied are not in this together. There is no Red or Blue Party...just Green that unites these folk.

[inchhigh]

28. I do want them to vote for a democrat

and if the speeches say what what many fear they do it will unmask her as a faux democrat. I think the transcripts will kill her candidacy but they won't come out until after she's nominated because there is no similar kryptonite against Bernie.

[Actor]

29. So you do support Hillary if Bernie loses, good

[whatchamacallit]

14. Only their own

[KelleyD]

46. And Bernies Tax returns...hummmmm!

[Demsrule86]

48. How so?

She never denied taking money for speeches. Of course she said nice things...they were paying her...a big who cares.

[EndElectoral]

3. They'll leave no stone unturned to sully Clinton. A lot of stones there.

[libdem4life]

25. Not really. She's done a fine job all on her own. Forget the stones.

Follow the money.

[KelleyD]

47. Follow the money on Bernies paying his family for their"work" on campaign and Mrs Sanders College

give-a-ways for "Woodworking classes". Please explain?

[AgingAmerican]

57. You hang your hopes on that tidbit of nonsense

[libdem4life]

61. Oh my...devastating...not. You going to put that up against the

Clinton Foundation Pay for Play? Shakes head.

[blackspade]

98. To attempt to deprive her of Sanders supporter votes.

They will be devastating.

[rhett o rick]

7. Well we can probably figure out what she said. Certainly didn't say, "I think it's important for

Wall Street to share their wealth and help eradicate poverty."

Her and Bill must have quite a message to have gained them $150,000,000 in 15 years.

[KelleyD]

49. Bernies taxes my showl their family ripping off Burlington College.

[rhett o rick]

60. Wow, you guys just keep coming.

Bob-bye

[Yupster]

87. Yes, corporations hire big name speakers

to their Regional and National meetings to raise morale among their key employees. It's the same reason they spend lavishly at their meetings on entertainment.

Many corporations have sales forces which make their companies profitable and those key salespeople are recruited every week to jump to another company. Goldman Sachs for instance may have thousands of Series Seven brokers who are recruited every week. The company spends lavishly to keep these key employees happily employed. At the meetings a lot of the entertainment is aimed at the spouses and kids as a way to keep the key employees from moving to competitors.

So, having been to a lot of these events, I can say for certainty that Hillary's speeches were glowing toward the history and contributions through history of Goldman Sachs. She was probably also very complimentary of the leadership.

You just don't pay someone $ 250,000 to make your key employees feel better and then have her insult them. That just wouldn't happen. I'm shocked that there aren't videos, or at least cell phone videos of her appearances.

[rhett o rick]

93. The top executives of Goldman-Sachs, for instance, are the ones that contribute

to Hillary's campaign and personal fortune. So she probably says things to assure them that she is a fellow capitalist. She will hold down wages (min wage for example), subsidize corps moving factories overseas, offer tax "intensives", provide prison (slave) labor from her Prisons For Profits, etc.

There is an estimated $2.5 trillion dollars of corporate profits sitting overseas, free from taxes, waiting for a favorable president to give a temporary tax forgivance to allow corps to bring that wealth back tax free. For our own good of course. Would Hillary be that President? I believe so. The move would stimulate the economy (and make the wealthy 1% even wealthier).

[pdsimdars]

8. But, if the GOP finds the transcripts, do you think they'll release them now?

I don't, I think they are smarter than that. They'll wait until she is the nominee and then release them. Releasing them now would only help Bernie not them.

[GreenPartyVoter]

16. Agreed. She should have just released them and gotten ahead of it all way back when.

[pdsimdars]

41. I think it would have ended her campiagn. . . like the Romney 47% comment. Game over.

[libdem4life]

30. Same here. It was rumored that Cruz' wife, who was at one of the speeches

as a Goldman Sacs Board Member recorded it. Who knows...then he drops out. But a lot of people heard her blabbing about how sacrosanct they were.

[Demsrule86]

50. they are desperate to help Bernie

Hillary can beat Trump...they have attacked her for years...no one cares except Bernie supporter and GOP types...but Bernie wouldh be swiftboated so badly some of you would not vote for him...lots of dirt out there that no one knows about I am sure.

[laundry_queen]

54. I think you underestimate them

I think the establishment repubs are going to keep this under wraps for the election, IMO. They (the establishment republicans) secretly want Hillary. They are absolutely apoplectic about Trump. No, they will wait until Hillary wins the presidency, then they will spend the entire time trying to tear her down. It works better for them that way than dealing with a rogue idiot like Trump who will turn everyone against Republicans for a generation. Republicans always have patience for the long game.

[lagomorph777]

68. The establishment pubs have already lost this election. However, Trump will release this

right after the convention. Right after it's too late to nominate a viable Dem.

[randome]

9. From Fitzmas to OWS to Assange to Snowden to emails to transcripts.

I don't understand how anyone can pin their hopes on such amorphous ideas time after time again.
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[Fumesucker]

18. Anything beats pinning your hopes on someone who already sold you out

At this point I'm totally convinced that job zero in any potential Clinton administration will be making absolutely, positively damn sure that no left populist ever again gets the chance to scare the bejabbers out of the establishment.

[farleftlib]

20. You got that right

They probably laughed their asses off thinking how easily HRC would be crowned queen.
Sanders and O'Malley? How quaint.

Now they're not laughing anymore but there will be no surprises like this anymore.
I've heard HRC talk about grassroots populists and their people-powered campaigns.
Hell, she even hates moveon.org even tho they saved her hubby's butt. This is our
last chance. Gulp.

[Codeine]

10. Loser says what? nt

[MisterP]

11. I like this comment

that is the way she rolls. Her first instinct is ALWAYS to hide. Her lack of transparency has dictated her behavior for decades

[DebbieCDC]

24. Nixon in a pantsuit n/t

[NCTraveler]

12. It has done little to hurt Clinton compared to the resources looking into it.

Have fun looking.

[Sheepshank]

13. Damn her for complimenting any employee for their work n/t

[cali]

84. Yeah. That's the problem. Not.

[silvershadow]

15. Damn the media for not forgetting.

[KelleyD]

51. I would like the media to look into Jane Sanders history of ripping off 2 Colleges.

[cali]

85. Go to vtdigger. Thorough. You, poor dear, will be disappointed

There is evidence that she wasn't a very good administrator. That's it. It's not like us Vermonters don't pay attention.

Now step flinging dishonest shit.

[uponit7771]

17. Cause the right wing says so?! They've caused enough noise about Clinton and no on trust them

... or the other guys wishing to find something in the transcripts either.

[1StrongBlackMan]

38. This is beyond ridiculous ...

what could there possibly be about the speeches that Politico described as “was pretty glowing about us” and “sounded more like a Goldman Sachs managing director' could hurt HRC with republicans in the general election?

Unless the gop wants the transcripts to affect votes on the left ... which would mean the stupid on the left would have been fucking played ... AGAIN!

[lagomorph777]

69. She will get zero Pub votes, no matter how closely she aligns with their positions.

This will obviously (as clearly stated in the article) be used to discourage Dems and liberal independents from voting. When it becomes clear that the choices are two people from the 0.1% who want to continue the upward transfer of wealth to Wall Street, why bother?

[1StrongBlackMan]

71. This will not discourage Democrats, as Democrats don't care about the transcripts ...

and I doubt they will have much affect on liberal Independents for the same reason.

And, that's not even considering that "The Transcripts" thing is the "Birth Certificate" thing of the Left.

I find it hard to believe anyone really thinks that in this post-Romney 47% age, where EVERYBODY knows that EVERYBODY has a recording device, the transcripts of the speeches would reveal something.

But then, again, I wouldn't have believe much of what has come from the left, this primary season.

[Logical]

78. I want to know what she told them, any dem should. Maybe you are so....

Starry eyed about her that it does not matter to you.

If Hillary is the nominee I will vote for her, but I want to know what she told Wall Street.

[1StrongBlackMan]

80. It has nothing to do with being "starry eyed" ...

And everything to do with living in the real world,

[Kelvin Mace]

19. Those transcripts will show up in October when they can do the most damage

and will be leaked by conservatives.

[libdem4life]

33. This is my take, as well. They have the power to take down the

rank and file Democratic Party. They'll not spill those beans prematurely. Maybe that's how she's getting the Republicans (the Jeb Bush wing) to donate money. You know there is a Grand Bargain in there somewhere.

[Yupster]

90. Remember Bush's drunk driving conviction?

He should have released that before the primaries started. He didn't and they were released the weekend before the election when they would hurt the most.

Stepped on Ross Perot's tv endorsement which they planned out so carefully.

[onecaliberal]

26. I have no idea why in the world she would think they wouldn't see the light of day.

Like republicans are going to allow her to skate away from that. They will wait until the 11th hour and then blow her campaign completely out of the water. They don't have to worry about Bernie voters, most of which wouldn't dream of voting for her already.

[CharlotteVale]

27. Well, they didn't pay her to tell them to cut it out.

[1StrongBlackMan]

36. Really ... LOL ... The left is about to be play, yet AGAIN ...

Please think about it ... what could there possibly be about the speeches that Politico described as “was pretty glowing about us” and “sounded more like a Goldman Sachs managing director' could hurt HRC with republicans in the general election?

Or, do you believe the gop is doing the left a favor?

[senz]

64. Isn't it fun to find yourself on the Right, lecturing "the Left?"

Kind of like putting on a nice well-tailored suit with "Republican" written all over it. Now you know how your candidate feels. Republicans aren't so bad after all, are they, 1SBM?

Someday. Someday.

[1StrongBlackMan]

65. What are you talking about?

[senz]

67. I'm talking about your gloating attitude toward "the left."

[1StrongBlackMan]

70. Oh ... Okay.

[PufPuf23]

86. You are diminishing many Democrats from the right from a more typically GOP perspective.

Last edited Wed May 11, 2016, 02:45 PM - Edit history (1)

Seems very popular among some Democrats at present.

edit: oops left an "I" out of title

[1StrongBlackMan]

89. Please tell me how I am diminsihing Democrats ...

from the right from a more typically GOP perspective.

Not buying into this "Produce The Transcripts" nonsense is exactly what the Left used to do. Remember the "Produce The Birth Certificate" nonsense?

But you are correct, it seems posting rw talking points from rw sources is very popular among some Democrats, at present.

[PufPuf23]

91. To quote, "Really ... LOL ... The left is about to be play, yet AGAIN ..."

I rather doubt that the transcripts will ever be produced and they have been a dead issue to me for months.

To quote again, "Not buying into this "Produce The Transcripts" nonsense is exactly what the Left used to do. Remember the "Produce The Birth Certificate" nonsense?"

Recall that the Hillary Clinton started the "birther" nonsense by hint in campaign 2008 and birtherism was subsequently taken to extremes by teabaggers, Trump, and other whackos.

Most Clinton supporters at DU seem to be in denial or disingenuous by the fact that Hillary Clinton is criticized from the left for actions post 2000 by many long term committed Democrats and is defended by right wing talking points from the neo-liberal wing of the Democratic party.

It appears that many in the GOP establishment prefer Hillary Clinton over Trump as POTUS. What a club!

The person in this clip is not suited to be POTUS or CIC.

[1StrongBlackMan]

92. The Left IS being played, again.

To quote again, "Not buying into this "Produce The Transcripts" nonsense is exactly what the Left used to do. Remember the "Produce The Birth Certificate" nonsense?"

Recall that the Hillary Clinton started the "birther" nonsense by hint in campaign 2008 and birtherism was subsequently taken to extremes by teabaggers, Trump, and other whackos.

Okay. Accepting that HRC "started the 'birther' nonsense", why are you so comfortable with the Left chasing a non-issue ... just like the teabaggers, Trump, and other whackos?

The rest of your post is irrelevant to the matter being discussed.

[PufPuf23]

94. Note I stated, "I rather doubt that the transcripts will ever be produced and they have been a dead

issue to me for months."

Why do you think Hillary Clinton dodges release of the transcripts of speeches to the banks for $200,000 plus each?

If it was a non-issue or put her in favorable light, Clinton would release transcripts.

Simple.

I don't think that accusing long term liberal Democrats of right wing talking points by the neo-liberal and right wing tending wing of the Democratic party is irrelevant as it is a common practice and essentially gas lighting.

[1StrongBlackMan]

95. Why ... for the same reason President Obama dodged releasing his B/C ...

I don't think that accusing long term liberal Democrats of right wing talking points by the neo-liberal and right wing tending wing of the Democratic party is irrelevant as it is a common practice and essentially gas lighting.

See ... that's where you are off the mark. The most demanding of DUers ... the one's using the right wing talking points, will readily tell you they are not Democrats ... they are progressives or greens or Socialist (with or without the Democratic prefix), or they used to, before they needed the Democratic Party.

[PufPuf23]

97. Membership in the Democratic party as percent of voters or population

has been on a decline with several small upward movements since 1968.

Many Democrats left for the GOP during Reagan.

Some came back to the Democratic party under Bill Clinton.

Most of those progressives or greens or socialists were once comfortable under the tent of the Democratic party.

Folks that have left the Democratic party then and now are because the Democratic establishment adopted the rhetoric and policy of the GOP; I would presume this was because of their money and power backers and the idea that they could win more elections in the short term, the future be damned.

Now is America 2016.

The neo-liberals control the Democratic party and aided and abetted by the media mock the remaining anti-war liberals.

Many are leaving. Look at how many long term liberal posters have left DU. Look again at DU at how many folks say that they are leaving the Democratic party.

The neo-liberals needed the Democratic party as a vehicle after Reagan left the GOP essentially a train wreck. So we get a party that favors the cultural and social issues long dear to Democrats but favor economic and foreign policies once solely sponsored by the GOP. Everything can be monetized and financialized; everything is a business opportunity.

You are wrong about the left leaning Democrats. We have been marginalized and the current party establishment seeks to demonize the anti-war liberals and have us quit or force us out of the party. This has gone on for decades to the degree that it has fundamentally changed the nation and our reputation in the world community.

[KelleyD]

45. Bernies Tax returns would be like a bomb going off!!!!!n/t

[Trust Buster]

53. It's just sour grapes. Their egos can't handle their defeat. Quoting Republicans is all they have

left. Sad and pathetic actually.

[Jitter65]

52. Banker bashing and any other "bashing" is "unproductive" to solve problems you need to talk

to the stakeholders on all sides and work toward a resolution.

[frylock]

58. lol @ banker bashing.

Won't somebody PLEASE think of the poor bankers?

[Vote2016]

55. The cover up is always worse than the original transgression.

[senz]

62. Yup, she should have respected the American people and come clean.

Instead she acts like we don't deserve to know how she made her living and gets very mysterious and secretive about the whole thing.

Now she's got the Republicans going after her. It would have been so much smarter just to share, graciously and openly.

[Vote2016]

63. There is a strong distain for the people and the rules that "other people" must follow

[1StrongBlackMan]

72. What do you think these transcripts will reveal?

[Vote2016]

73. That Hillary blamed the economic collapse on consumers financially overextending themselves and Wall

Street has been unfairly scapegoated.

[1StrongBlackMan]

75. LOL ... Okay. That's a good one.

[Vote2016]

77. It's so sweet that she doesn't trust you to know what she said but you still think it was benign!

[1StrongBlackMan]

79. Yes. I do think what she said was benign ...

After all, I live in the real world, where everyone knows that everyone carries a recording device.

[Vote2016]

81. In your "real world" do politicians get into fights to cover up transcripts of benign statements?

[1StrongBlackMan]

83. Yes ... (See: "the Birth Certificate" to do) ...

But that said, there is no politician fighting. There is, however, a politician ignoring the nonsense.

[EndElectoral]

74. My guess is Repubs have those transcripts and are waiting for the GE.

[brewens]

76. They would just love a Robmy like 47% comment or Hillary telling the fat cats she has their back

on class warfare.

So evidently they are coming around to electing tRUMP? I wasn't buying the bullshit that many Republicans would vote for Hillary anyway. If they think sabotaging Hillary is going to help them, it'll blow up in their faces.

[George II]

82. Where is Sanders' FEDERALLY MANDATED Personal Financial Disclosure? Any bombs in that one or...

...his still unreleased (even though promised three weeks ago) tax returns?

[lumberjack_jeff]

88. And Clinton supporters will be surprised and blame Sanders.

Slow motion train wreck.

[Orsino]

96. Good Democrats know that there are no transcripts.

Kindly update your history books.