Sanders favorability now underwater

[LoverOfLiberty]

a full 30% of Democrats are uncomfortable with him as the potential nominee

https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalDiscussion/comments/4imtmq/bernie_sanders_favorability_is_now_underwater/

[Trust Buster]

1. And the guy hasn't even been the recipient of attack ads. That's why those polls are bunk.

[bvf]

10. All except this one, you mean.

[Maru Kitteh]

73. No, ESPECIALLY this one

As he has not been vetted, attacked, or had any kind of political colonoscopy whatsoever, this poll is only the first pebble to tumble down the hill in the great Sanders slide of 2016.

[bvf]

85. What trash.

The Clinton Machine has not been sleeping, nor would it have hesitated for a second to fling even more crap (if that were even possible) than it already has, were that the case.

What next? A link to Stormfront?

No, wait: a Clinton supporter here on DU already tried that, to no small personal embarrassment.


ETA:

But the crap is certainly being flung right here in this thread, ain't it though?

[Dustlawyer]

103. From your post it would seem that Bernie started way ahead and Hillary came from no where to catch

him.

[seabeyond]

13. Sheeeit, Sanders has not even been vetted. They have see the very least of the man....

and once gotten to know him, reject him. At least with Clinton it is a two and half decade rw smear job, with Sanders jumping in the last handful of months.

[Trust Buster]

19. Trump and his supporting PACS would have had a field day with "their communist friend Bernie" LOL

[seabeyond]

40. I mean. Merely in the history of his adult life. Socialist (communist), the first two decades of

Sanders adult life was totally nonproductive. He didn't have a paying job until forties, vote until he voted for himself. Just not a productive member of society. Wanting the "free" stuff for others to pay for, while he was not contributing. Sure he would want a socialist system. Lol. We all work, while he has health care taken care of and can play in teh academics, in all his privilege. Yet, ... When he does have a paying job? He pays significantly lower taxes than most all of us, as he tells us to pay for the free. Now, I gotta tell you. I can see one hell of a commercial there. As they show the young adult, parent, Sanders without electricity, hooking it up to the landlord and stealing. Right?

[Armstead]

43. Sounding more conservative every day

Unproductive, free stuff, scommie, red menace, awful academics, a public servant and we have to pay for that moocher.......Dirty rotten hippie scum

Get off my lawn you damn pinkos

[seabeyond]

46. Isn't it really nifty he was privilege enough to go 2 decades not being a productive adult...

Steal electricity from others so they had to pay, and get to run as president.

It isn't about conservative but responsible. That is what happens when stepping into adult life. Regardless of party.

[Armstead]

47. Jesus christ the guy was lower middle class

It is about conservative...you're throwing conservative Rush style language at a guy who was named one of the Best Mayors in America, and has served decades in Congresscand wins huge majorities of votes.

I don't give a sweet damn who you prefer, but your criticism sounds like stuff my cranky old conservstive grandfather used to say

[seabeyond]

48. Yes Armstead. You jumped in a sub thread talking about Republican attack ads.

And the first two decades of adulthood he had a degree. He chose to live poor. Again, he had the privilege of living poor while educated, white and male in the 60's and 70's. Now I am suppose to cut him slack for that?

[Armstead]

95. That's ridiculous..."choosing to live poor"

What kind of a life do you lead anyway? Everyone just steps into well paying jobs? Or they decide "Gee I want to be poor and struggle for a while." But I'll only be poor in a privileged way."

Life and people are a little more complicated than that. Circumstances and peoples abilities fon'y work like that.
Stop pounding dumb memes

[woolldog]

97. He was a University of Chicago graduate.

Not some uneducated unskilled guy who fell on hard times. No way he could not have been a productive member of society had he wanted to be. He was lazy.

[Armstead]

100. That's a totally stupid response. I'm sure many college educated people who are struggling would...

appreciate your totally asinine and Conservative dismissal of their problems.

[woolldog]

104. What was the unemployment rate for college degrees white men

in the 60s and 70s? Damn near impossible not to get a job in that situation if you wanted to. He was a lazy bum.

[Armstead]

106. That is a trollish post that i won't dignify with a response

[Maru Kitteh]

143. LOL. You just did.

[Sheepshank]

119. I think Lazy was only a small part of it.

He was always anti establishment, he never wanted to work for someone. He always had narcissistic visions of grandeur, and that he was destined to be more than a working stiff. His low income, low accomplishment lifestyle was self imposed as a grand gesture that he is uncompromising, while looking at everyone else with disdain because in his mind they were conformists. It wasn't until he ran out of petty two bit jobs working for himself did he realize he could be self governing, in politics. He found his cash cow. He found the perpetually filled trough of public funds and laid squarely down in the middle of it with the help of the NRA.

[Maru Kitteh]

145. Getting a job meant contributing to "the system." He is rather immodest about his "modesty."

Talks about it ad nauseum.

Sheepshank, I am sure you've hit the nail on the head here.

[seabeyond]

102. He was the man that slept on the couch, ate the lunchmeat in one sandwich that needed to last a week

Used the shampoo and toothpaste never replacing. We have all had that free loader in our life that wouldn't go out and get a job, just talked about the working drones as he lived off others. Can't get electricity, steal it.

For you to even suggest this degreed white man of all the 60's and 70's simply was on hard times and couldn't find a job is what would be ridiculous. To compare Sanders to the poor struggling truly is offensive. Ya, privilege.

[Armstead]

105. I'm done with you.

There are people who support Clinton and/or who I disagree with, but who at least make valid and debatable points.

But shallow nonsense like this is just not discussable.

I don't care whether you prefer Clinton or not. But to describe someone as "lazy" and shiftless whose adult life has included being a very effective multi-term mayor, and then ascending to a long career marked by continual reelection to Congress by huge margins is beyond the pale.

[seabeyond]

107. Hence me talking about only his first TWO decades of adult life. By the third, he got a paying job

as a mayor. He went from not working, to being a mayor. Thru 20's and 30's not being a productive member of society, to mayor in his 40's. Correct. Again, privilege.

[Armstead]

109. I'm sure many college educated people who are struggling would appreciate your insulting dismissal

[seabeyond]

112. No way Armstead. Those of us with so much less have managed to pay our way. You just can't get

create a woe, poor besotten, pitiful "me" out of this. The best you can do is embrace and say, yea him he got to play, without responsibility for a couple decades in life. And move on.

[Armstead]

114. I'm not biting anymore. Not worth debunking if you really see the world in that way.

[seabeyond]

115. You can't. It is what it is.

[Bluenorthwest]

134. You regularly describe yourself as upper middle class and a stay at home Mom...

You- "i did not know i would be the type of woman that would want to be a stay at home, but after birth, my hubby and i could not see it any other way, and we could afford it. this is more, i think, an upper middle class issue, today. because without a certain pay, parents cannot do this."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025722826#post170

So you seem to allow yourself to be both 'those with so much less' and also to be the upper middle class person boasting about affluence and stating 'we can afford it' when no one asked you. Got to let us know....

[seabeyond]

135. Having a conversation about a family unit, choices made, repercussions with divorce is boasting?

What is your problem and what does that have to do with anything. For those two decades I stayed at home, prior two decades in the work force, and once again in the work force now I am done with my job as a parent, certainly I was working and being productive as a stay at home. Are you arguing otherwise?

[Sheepshank]

120. are you really trying to compare post Bush (losing 600K jobs each month) era

with the 60-70's?

that is the problem, people for ever giving Bernie a pass on the reality of his personal history, because they so want him to be the noble, self sacrificing, concerned person he is trying to portray today.

I've said this up thread, but will repeat it here:

He was always anti establishment, he never wanted to work for someone. He always had narcissistic visions of grandeur, and that he was destined to be more than a working stiff. His low income, low accomplishment lifestyle was self imposed as a grand gesture that he is uncompromising, while looking at everyone else with disdain because in his mind they were conformists. It wasn't until he ran out of petty two bit jobs working for himself did he realize he could be self governing, in politics. He found his cash cow. He found the perpetually filled trough of public funds and laid squarely down in the middle of it with the help of the NRA.

[Armstead]

122. I'm done with you too

I don't give a damn who you support -- but this conservative bashing of a good man simply because he dared to challenge the Democratic Establishment from a slight more liberal place is shameful and not worth arguing about anymore.

You sound like Allen West

[Sheepshank]

124. and you sound like someone who's extreme idealism has completely clouded all sense of reality. n/t

[Armstead]

137. Uh huh....More like a moderate liberal who is pissed

30 years of sell outs,and surrender by conservative Democrats who have moved the center so far to the right that moderate liberalism is branded as extreme by DEMOCRATS tends to be annoying

[seabeyond]

125. Exactly. You said it well. Not fooling anyone. Lol. Nt

[Live and Learn]

108. + a gazillion. You have to wonder why some are even here.

Then again maybe I should question why I am here. Either way, we certainly don't all belong on the same political board.

[seabeyond]

113. Right. Because in the 60's/70's it was that hard for a white man to find a paying job, two decades

of hunting.

[Live and Learn]

146. No idea what you are talking about. nt

[sheshe2]

81. Do you have a link to him being the best Mayor ever?

[Armstead]

96. They don't give awards for "best mayor ever"

But he was listed as one of America's Best Mayors by US News and World Report (hardly a bastion of socialism) and others. I'm sure you'll read all ofthe links below with an open mind, .....but here you are...


http://wqad.com/2015/11/09/political-fact-check-sanders-2-million-ad-campaign/

As Sanders prepares for the Iowa Caucuses, he's releasing a two million dollar ad campaign in Iowa and New Hampshire. The new ad began airing last week. It showcases Sanders as a successful mayor, representative, and senator determined to fight for lower and middle class Americans. News 8 put Sanders to the test; continue reading to learn how his ad stood up to our fact check.

"Real Change" is the title of Sanders' ad. It begins by highlighting the Democratic candidate's political history narrating, "He moved to Vermont and received election and praise as one of America's best mayors."

This claim is true. In 1981, Bernie Sanders was elected Mayor of Burlington, Vermont, the state's largest city. As mayor, both Republicans and Democrats praised his bi-partisan plans. Politicians on both sides of the aisle say he fought to keep corporate taxes low and middle-class wages high.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/26/us/politics/as-mayor-bernie-sanders-was-more-pragmatic-than-socialist.html

Under his watch, Burlington, Vermont’s largest city, cropped up on lists of the best places to live. U.S. News and World Report named him one of the nation’s 20 top mayors in 1987, crediting him with preserving affordable housing, holding the line on property taxes and making a serious push for home rule in a state where cities had little autonomy.

“He learned how to use the levers of local government to improve people’s lives,” said Peter Dreier, a professor of politics and public policy at Occidental College who studied Burlington during Mr. Sanders’s mayoralty.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/10/31/socialist-even-conservative-could-love-burlington-mayor-sanders-was-able-out-republican-republicans/SCmh2TLifXxXRPFKC8NMjO/story.html

http://portside.org/2015-06-05/bernies-burlington-what-kind-mayor-was-bernie-sanders

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/metropolis/2016/01/bernie_sanders_made_burlington_s_land_trust_possible_it_s_still_an_innovative.html

[griffi94]

51. Went to the USSR on his honeymoon

And who knows what he said or who he met with while he was there.

Lol. Those are the kinds of things he'd have to deal with
if he got the nomination.

Not an issue tho since he didn't.

[seabeyond]

52. Not an issue but to be an observer of that race would be interesting.

Position with SAmerican leaders, embracing Cuba and food lines. It would be interesting to watch.

[griffi94]

53. Yes there is all that

He's never been under the fire because he's always
just sat on the sidelines.

The GOP smear machine would ruin him.
Then he'd lose his temper and start ranting in that
incoherent way he does.

Bernie was never ready for the national stage.
That's why Hillary crushed him.

[JDPriestly]

77. He went to a sister city in Russia on his honeymoon.

That is well known. How desperate can Hillary supporters get.

Hillary supporters know that Hillary is not doing well in West Virginia tomorrow or in Oregon or California. It's tough to watch your candidate losing out. Sorry, Hillary supporters. But you have to be good sports about it.

[griffi94]

117. Hahaha

My candidate is losing hahahaha.

Right she only has hundreds more delegates and millions more votes.

Bernie's finished.

Can't wait for the convention when he loses
on the first ballot.

Hillary's got this in the bag.

[wendylaroux]

89. omg!!! the horror!!!!! did he receive food stamps too??!! WHAT are you?

you sound like a tea party,hee haw guy, putting down welfare queens in their Cadillac.

So funny how Bernie has brought out the conservative in many of you people.Disgusting.

[tonyt53]

126. Got that right!

[fun n serious]

71. I am a democrat. He doesn't like democrats so he doesn't like me

Feeling is mutual.

[JDPriestly]

76. Wow! You Hillary supporters must really be scared of Bernie!

This PPP poll sure doesn't reflect what I am finding on the streets of California, one of the states yet to vote in the primary.

[Demsrule86]

99. Are you kidding

He is treated so well...only ones who told the truth about Bernie were the New York media.

[scscholar]

2. He is sowing discord...

when we need unity to win.

[AgingAmerican]

4. lol

Is this your GOTV effort?

[CentralCoaster]

11. The bullshit is going to start getting DEEEEEEEP! reddit. lol.

[sheshe2]

38. Reality

She is a living breathing human being, she touches lives.

[CentralCoaster]

41. I'm sure she's a very nice lady.

I kind of prefer Mr. Sanders résumé.

In the trenches with my brothers and sisters decades ago and all his life.

[sheshe2]

44. Stellar!

[progressoid]

42. So a picture = reality?

?w=560&quality=75&strip=color&h=373

[Joob]

75. Reality

Sacramento - Today. Guess Bernie does too.

[sheshe2]

78. Reality.

She is winning. Actually it is done.

[Joob]

80. lol k, guess those 21,000 people missed that

[sheshe2]

83. What 21k missed that, Joob?

Speak to me, tell me what you are referring to.

Links.

I gotta go. Late here, please leave me a link and some facts.

TIA

[Joob]

84. the people at his rally today

http://fox40.com/2016/05/09/thousands-flock-to-bernie-sanders-rally-at-bonney-field/

Minutes before stepping on stage to greet more than 21,000 people who want to see him in the White House, the Vermont senator defended his agenda.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/05/bernie-sanders-sacramento-california-rally-pictures-bonney-field-ca-photos-pics-how-many/14/

[pinebox]

101. Hillary touches lives?

Yes she does, ask all those families in Honduras, Syria and Iraq.

[bvf]

141. Not to mention 4,000+ American war dead

or thousands of American casualties.

[pacalo]

35. All these new names with low post numbers...

I think I know where they're originating. I hope I'm wrong -- I really do.

[bvf]

58. Yeah, but you're probably not. It's obvious.

The really interesting ones are those that have been around for years, with 98% of their posts made in the last few months.

[pacalo]

62. I agree; this has been on my radar for years but

when it is done for the purpose of creating a false impression, it is cringe-worthy.

Manipulating public perception is all Clinton has -- she is not as popular as she is being portrayed & she is not likeable.

[pdsimdars]

110. It is sad and desperate. . . manipulating public perception is all she has.

She cannot win on the issues, all she can do is lie and smear. Desperation!

[MrMickeysMom]

65. Nah, I'm pretty sure you're right...

This must in part explain why unemployment is still "around 5%"

Go, Bernie!

[pacalo]

69. ...

[MrMickeysMom]

131. Wow!

I think you've got the speed of it JUST right!

[bvf]

142. LOL! n/t

[COLGATE4]

128. No, you're not. I don't bother even

reading them any more. No point.

[pacalo]

140. I'm glad others are noticing, too.

Thanks, Colgate4.

[JDPriestly]

79. And what are Hillary supporters sowing in this thread?

[Hiraeth]

138. I think I detect a hint of sarcasm, maybe ... ?

time will tell ...

[hrmjustin]

3. His own fault.

[left-of-center2012]

12. Hillary's is worse

So it's her own fault too?

[hrmjustin]

14. The emails were a mistake and she is paying for it.

She has her mistakes but she has also had her fair share of unfair attacks against her and she is still standing.

[Armstead]

45. I don't think its the emails

Most people don't give a darn about them

[libdem4life]

82. After 25 or so years, it's called Clinton Fatigue for many of us.

Shady stuff follows both of them around like a lost puppy. I think they thrive on it, however, because it continues.

The Foundation may be the clincher.

[ebayfool]

5. They have two poll questions and neither supports the other. Still looking for methodology to ...

understand why.

[Recursion]

93. You're making an unwarranted assumption that unfavorables matter

It's a mistake for the Democratic party to think that about Trump, too, incidentally. But Americans have proven over and over again they are perfectly willing to vote for somebody they have an unfavorable opinion of.

[lumberjack_jeff]

129. When your unfavorables pass 55% as Clinton's has... surely there are better nominees. n/t

[Vattel]

6. Hillary's smears at work

[riversedge]

15. oh yeah--blame it on Hillary as your group always does. ha ha.

[cherokeeprogressive]

21. LOL your friends are already making excuses for her loss in November.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511931322#post2

[Vattel]

33. I concede that some of her smears didn't work and that it is hard to assess their effectiveness.

[uponit7771]

60. Nah, nothing to do with his GE poll bullshit and telling the dem electorate to fuck off by going...

... after PDs

[Meldread]

7. It's higher than Hillary's at 21%. That's interesting. -nt-

[left-of-center2012]

8. Doesn't tell the whole story

I saw Rachel Maddow mention this PPP poll tonight.
Clinton and Trump have worse "favorability" than Sanders.

[riversedge]

18. What is important to note is that Sanders favorability is going DOWN.

[LenaBaby61]

54. A friend sent me a link to the polling...

And it appears that Bernie Sanders unfavorable numbers are going up, and that's with only a few attacks from Donald Trump, who derogatorily called Bernie Sanders a maniac and communist.
Yet, Trump tried to float his usual garbage out that Bernie Sanders should run 3rd party, and he says he won't so I take him at his word.

Nate Silver gives PPP a B- rating the samples are: R+0.7, so it's not a laughable poll like the Rasmussen poll which showed Trump +2 over Hillary Clinton yet clearly Rasmussen over-sampled Republicans by +2.3.
But then again, it's a bit early for me to call even a poll from PPP conclusive, although I do feel that Hillary Clinton's favorable numbers are underwater, for sure Trump's and Bernie Sanders unfavorable numbers are indeed going up for whatever reason.

[left-of-center2012]

133. "Sanders favorability is going DOWN"

And Hillary's is WORSE!

[bvf]

9. One poll?

Congratulations on the expedition.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/bernie-sanders-favorable-rating

[Seeinghope]

17. If you look hard enough you can find anything I suppose.

[Art_from_Ark]

25. Wow-- talk about an outlier poll

Or should that be "out-liar"?

Or even "out-and-out-liar".

[riversedge]

28. It is what it is--a signal of a continued downward trend for Bernie

[redstateblues]

56. The more I got to know Bernie, the less I liked him

I was OK with Bernie until he started taking Tad Devine's advice and going negative. Bernie's fortunes started going backwards when he started the personal attacks

[pdsimdars]

111. ^^^^^^^^^^^ Amen! ^^^^^^^^^^^

[Luminous Animal]

16. Democrats. LOL

[LoverOfLiberty]

20. Totally agree!

[Luminous Animal]

23. 28% of potential voters.

[Art_from_Ark]

26. And falling

If Hillary gets the nomination, we're headed for the teens.

[bvf]

67. The DNC is probably hoping

to stanch the hemorrhage with Republicans embarrassed by Trump.

After all, the Democratic party leadership today has become indistinguishable from that of the Republican party of Nixon. Hell, Reagan even.

[Art_from_Ark]

68. I'm finding the parallels between Nixon and Hillary to be... interesting

Nixon-- expanded the war in SE Asia
Hillary-- wants to expand the wars in SW Asia

Nixon-- erased 18 1/2 minutes of a critical tape recording
Hillary-- deleted 30,000 e-mails from a private server used for government business

Nixon-- relied on Henry Kissinger as his Secretary of State
Hillary-- considers Kissinger to be her mentor at State

Nixon-- involved with regime change in Chile and elsewhere
Hillary-- involved with regime change in Libya and elsewhere

Nixon-- stonewalled on releasing his tapes
Hillary-- stonewalled on releasing her e-mail server

Nixon-- under investigation by Congressional committees
Hillary-- under investigation by the FBI

Nixon-- "I am not a crook."
Hillary-- "I am not a liar."

[bvf]

86. Very interesting, yes.

But in fairness, I think the actual Clinton quote was something more like a characteristically lawyerly, "Why do I have to keep proving to people that I am not a liar?"

She'll probably tighten that up a bit in the upcoming FBI interview, though.

[Art_from_Ark]

87. Here's what she said

“Well, but, you know, you’re asking me to say, “Have I ever (lied)?” I don’t believe I ever have. I don’t believe I ever have. I don’t believe I ever will. I’m gonna do the best I can to level with the American people.”

Of course, the ability to lie convincingly is a *prerequisite* for a corporate defense lawyer, which Hillary was from 1977 until 1992.

[bvf]

88. Thanks, almost forgot about that one.

Mine came from Snopes, which confirmed it as reported in Washington Post correspondent John F. Harris's book, The Survivor: Bill Clinton in the White House.

Yours is definitely better.

[lumberjack_jeff]

130. Belief is a wondrous thing. n/t

[Sheepshank]

121. you know, there is a similar list to be had comparing Bernie to Christ. Seen it here on DU

I also remember the one that compared Obama to Hitler

Oh, I'm sure that neither of those was word-tortured or contrived at all.

[KingFlorez]

22. Those attacks on Clinton didn't help him

Calling her unqualified was a bad move.

[redstateblues]

57. That's when it started going backwards. Ruined his brand

[KPN]

27. Most likely because at least half of that 30% of all Democrats are

New Democrats/Third Wayers (aka moderate-right Republicans).

[sadoldgirl]

29. The 61% against Trump means that the

fight among the repugs is still going strong, imo.

[oasis]

30. Getting to know you , getting to know all about you

[uponit7771]

61. +1

[Maedhros]

31. Then 30% of Democrats are far too right-wing for me. [n/t]

[Maedhros]

39. Oh, I know. There is no lie small or big enough for the Hillary Campaign not to tell.

Nobody in the Clinton camp is to be trusted, on any issue.

[fun n serious]

72. Join the purity party

The authoritarian zealot purist. I want NO part of that paranoid, everything is corrupt and RIGGED group.

[desmiller]

36. Fear mongering huh? Oh well. Bring it.

[MisterP]

37. glug glug

[SheilaT]

49. As compared to what percentage of voters view Hillary unfavorably?

It's somewhat above 50%, isn't it?

How on god's green earth is a mere 30% "underwater"?

Hillary must be deep into the earth's mantle, maybe all the way into the core.

[Samantha]

50. I point blank do not believe this

Is Mark Penn (the Man in the Middle) messing with the polls again?

Sam

[Jitter65]

55. Oh, no not St. Bernie! It's about time. Demi are finally getting tired of being trashed by an

infiltrator. Helping Donald is not what we want. And Donald has said that he is just using Bernie's talking points about Hillary.

[Autumn]

59. 30% huh? Sounds like Hillary supporters.

[JonLeibowitz]

64. Not to mention the OP is a lie....

See this previous PPP poll: http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/ppp-d-24178

[Sheepshank]

63. Cranky, negative, story telling, thieving, lying....it's finally caught up

When one's runs on a platform of almost godlike perfection and nobility, even a little slip up seems Yuge!

[Sky Masterson]

91. I thought you were talking about Barbara Bush/Hillary Clinton

I confuse the two.

[Sheepshank]

118. seems clear that in the end you figured out who I was talking about....it's becoming obvious

even to BS supporters.

[MrMickeysMom]

66. I'm sure you're shaking hard...

[BlueStater]

70. Still more popular than Hillary and the orange one.

I'd put their favorability ratings around that of testicular cancer.

[Maru Kitteh]

74. K&R

[Sky Masterson]

90. They hate Bernie. Proof from last night in California

?quality=65&strip=all&w=598

[NCTraveler]

92. And he has been treated with kid gloves.

Clinton and the party keep showing him respect while he and Weaver are going around trashing any and everything.

[NurseJackie]

116. And this is WITHOUT his having to deal with nasty smears and attack ads ...

... he's done this ALL BY HIMSELF!!

He's been getting a LOT of bad advice, in my opinion. He chose bad advisors, AND he's unable (apparently, and in my opinion) to discern the difference between good-advice and bad-advice.

Having advisors is a good thing as it allows a candidate (or a president) to hear and evaluate other options and possibilities. But ultimately, the final decision is up to the candidate (or president) after assessing and weighing the choices and calculating the benefits vs risks.

Bernie chose ... poorly.

[jfern]

94. PPP has been a Hillary hack pollster this whole election

They actually took money from Hillary's campaign. They've always had Bernie's favorables under water, while no other pollster has.

[Vinca]

98. Isn't that special? Now he's got something in common with Hillary.

[Orsino]

123. Even I would be uncomfortable with nominating the candidate with fewer votes/delegates. n/t

[lumberjack_jeff]

127. if -30% is "underwater" what is -54%? Maybe she's prospecting for undersea oil?

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

[beedle]

132. -54% means she should run for the president of China. nt.

[arcane1]

136. If his mumbers are underwater, then Clinton's have been drowning for months.

[Hiraeth]

139. I like how your name is spelled: LOL

good one, dude!

[AgingAmerican]

144. Hillary supporters are horrible at projection