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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:08 AM May 2016

The Reason Why Dozens of Lobbyists Will Be Democratic Presidential Delegates

There is a rational argument to be made for having officeholders involved (not that I agree with it), but LOBBYISTS!!?!?!

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/reason-dozens-lobbyists-democratic-presidential-delegates/story?id=37289507

But this group, which consists of 21 governors, 40 senators and 193 representatives, only makes up about a third of the superdelegates. Many of the remaining 463 convention delegates are establishment insiders who get their status after years of donations and service to the party. Dozens of the 437 delegates in the DNC member category are registered federal and state lobbyists, according to an ABC News analysis.

In fact, when you remove elected officials from the superdelegate pool, at least one in seven of the rest are former or current lobbyists registered on the federal and state level, according to lobbying disclosure records.

That’s at least 67 lobbyists who will attend the convention as superdelegates. A majority of them have already committed to supporting Hillary Clinton for the nomination.

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The Reason Why Dozens of Lobbyists Will Be Democratic Presidential Delegates (Original Post) eridani May 2016 OP
Corruption of the highest order. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #1
Is this 'rigging'? dmosh42 May 2016 #2
Something naive people think is only found on sailing ships. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #67
FYI... MrMickeysMom May 2016 #87
The Human Rights Campaign is a lobby. So is Greenpeace Recursion May 2016 #3
Does it matter if they're evil? A Little Weird May 2016 #4
^^THIS. nt nc4bo May 2016 #5
Because they do the work that keeps the party going? Recursion May 2016 #8
They aren't the only ones A Little Weird May 2016 #10
Sure they do, particularly in caucus states Recursion May 2016 #13
Bullshit n/t A Little Weird May 2016 #15
Bullshit, I'm active and am always called to help. I get my one vote, no more. TheKentuckian May 2016 #44
Do you go to your local & state party meetings? (nt) Recursion May 2016 #45
Irrelevant. snowy owl May 2016 #63
Not even close to irrelevant. That's how the party gets built Recursion May 2016 #75
And did you actually bring up Gephardt, Daschle, and Dodd? Recursion May 2016 #9
Of course I'm aware of who they are A Little Weird May 2016 #11
Why not? You say that as if it's obvious. Recursion May 2016 #12
A primary election for the Democratic Party A Little Weird May 2016 #14
Recursion will spin . . . he/she makes no sense whatsoever. snowy owl May 2016 #65
I noticed A Little Weird May 2016 #66
Revolving door government is disgusting enough... Peace Patriot May 2016 #42
Gephardt is the epitome of the problem Armstead May 2016 #89
So you are not against Eko May 2016 #40
I'm against superdelegates in general and especially lobbyists being superdelegates A Little Weird May 2016 #43
You said it. Eko May 2016 #48
And you're ok with it A Little Weird May 2016 #49
Naw, thats not what you said. Eko May 2016 #50
The lobbyists are given power that regular people aren't given A Little Weird May 2016 #52
Not true at all. Eko May 2016 #53
I'm going to try to use small words A Little Weird May 2016 #56
So you especially are against lobbyists Eko May 2016 #54
Someone running for the office of the presidency should definitely not be a superdelegate A Little Weird May 2016 #57
But the candidates are always superdelegates (nt) Recursion May 2016 #78
What if not only one of the people running for the office of the presidency Eko May 2016 #55
Nope A Little Weird May 2016 #58
So are you going Eko May 2016 #59
I'm going to call on Sanders to abolish superdelegates A Little Weird May 2016 #60
Cool. Eko May 2016 #61
Really? Are you going to try that tactic? A Little Weird May 2016 #64
anybody reading eco's responses know what he is. T****. snowy owl May 2016 #68
I know A Little Weird May 2016 #69
Please, Eko May 2016 #74
No, you dont. Eko May 2016 #73
I'm not the one who thinks this about superdelegates Eko May 2016 #71
Oh, I know!!!! Eko May 2016 #72
So HRC and Greenpeace are superdelegates? Since when? n/t eridani May 2016 #16
Sure. Have you looked at the list of what these "evil lobbyists" lobby for? Recursion May 2016 #17
No lobbyist should EVER be involved in candidate selection, period. eridani May 2016 #18
Why on earth not? (nt) Recursion May 2016 #19
Being paid to influence public officials disqualifies them n/t eridani May 2016 #20
Why? You keep just saying stuff like that but not actually arguing for it. Recursion May 2016 #21
Because the people who vote and/or caucus don't get paid for it. n/t eridani May 2016 #22
And? Recursion May 2016 #23
It certasinly does not disqualify them as voters. It disqualifies them as potential eridani May 2016 #24
And still no "why"? Recursion May 2016 #25
Why Citizens Unted? n/t eridani May 2016 #27
Because a filmmaker should probably be able to release a documentary about a candidate during an Recursion May 2016 #28
Being a member of the DNC is fine, but being a superdelegate is not n/t eridani May 2016 #30
That's the same thing. DNC members are unpledged delegates. Recursion May 2016 #31
The purpost of superdelegates is to override the popular vote eridani May 2016 #32
Why shouldn't people who are paid to push for political change be allowed? Recursion May 2016 #33
Being paid is a corrupting factor, always n/t eridani May 2016 #34
You're saying she was corrupted by the LGBT advocacy groups she's worked for? Recursion May 2016 #35
I am saying tht salaried lobbyists should have no more influence than their individual vote n/t eridani May 2016 #36
Umm... OK. Any other professions you would exclude? Recursion May 2016 #37
No one who gets paid to influence the political process, regardless of actual profession. n/t eridani May 2016 #38
Weird. OK, though, that's how you feel Recursion May 2016 #39
I think you missed the point. snowy owl May 2016 #62
Why should your vote be equal to theirs? They literally do the work of the party Recursion May 2016 #77
Like the banks, "fraud as a business model". Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #6
My neighborhood has a lobbyist, he helped sort through Gov. grants & we got a new road. Sunlei May 2016 #7
Here's a perfect example of the dumbing down of America. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #70
several million dollars of stimulus money, couple years of road projects/plans and 'jobs'. Sunlei May 2016 #76
I don't like Corporations intruding into our electoral process by gaining voting rights. nt silvershadow May 2016 #26
Sorry, what "corporations" are you saying will vote in the convention? (nt) Recursion May 2016 #29
You are fighting the good fight, Eko May 2016 #41
Ask Hillary. B Calm May 2016 #79
Which "corporations" do they lobby for? Recursion May 2016 #80
Ask Hillary. B Calm May 2016 #82
So, nothing? Recursion May 2016 #83
So, never question her. My guess is Wall Street Banksters. B Calm May 2016 #84
So it's really the "Democratic" Party. Vinca May 2016 #46
Hillary = Unbridled Predatory Capitalism B Calm May 2016 #47
Ridiculous apcalc May 2016 #51
Just mentioning the words predatory capitalism get Hillary supporters panties B Calm May 2016 #81
That is a sexist reply. apcalc May 2016 #85
It is? Wow, my panties get in a wad and never in my wildest dreams did I ever think of sex. B Calm May 2016 #86
Best Democracy Money Can Buy Octafish May 2016 #88

MrMickeysMom

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Fri May 13, 2016, 06:59 AM
May 2016

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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
3. The Human Rights Campaign is a lobby. So is Greenpeace
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:17 AM
May 2016

So is the Brady Campaign.

Or, sorry, was I supposed to just see the word "lobbyist" in bold and infer that these people are evil?

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
4. Does it matter if they're evil?
Tue May 10, 2016, 07:28 AM
May 2016

Frankly, I don't care whether they are lobbyists for Greenpeace or Goldman-Sachs, their vote shouldn't count more than mine.

But here are some other superdelegates. They may still not be evil but they certainly do have an agenda. Helps explain why universal health care will "never, ever happen".


Superdelegates Jill Alper, Minyon Moore, and Maria Cardona are officials at Dewey Square Group, a lobbying firm that is closely affiliated with the Clinton campaign and retained by the Clinton-supporting Super PACs Priorities USA Action and Correct the Record. Alper and Moore are Clinton advisers who have raised over $100,000 for her campaign. Dewey Square Group, as we’ve reported, was retained by the health insurance industry to undermine health reform efforts in 2009, including proposals to change Medicare Advantage. The firm has previously worked to influence policy on behalf of Enron, Countrywide, Citigroup, Coca-Cola, the U.S. Telecom Association and News Corporation.

Emily Giske, also a lobbyist in New York City, is registered to work on behalf of Airbnb, Yum Brands (the parent company of Taco Bell), Pfizer, and the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association, a trade group for Wall Street firms such as Goldman Sachs, Fidelity, and Bank of America.

Dick Gephardt, a Hillary-supporting superdelegate, is a lobbyist for the government of Taiwan & Peabody Coal.

Tom Daschle, a Hillary-supporting superdelegate, is a lobbyist for the governments of Taiwan & Japan.

Chris Dodd, a Hillary-supporting superdelegate, is the top lobbyist for the MPAA, the movie industry group that backs SOPA, TPP, etc.

https://theintercept.com/2016/02/17/voters-be-damned/

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
10. They aren't the only ones
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:52 PM
May 2016

But when regular folks volunteer and do the things that keep the party going they don't get extra voting power.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
13. Sure they do, particularly in caucus states
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:31 PM
May 2016

But people who volunteer for their local chapters definitely get extra say in what the party does, because they're the ones actually doing it.

TheKentuckian

(25,302 posts)
44. Bullshit, I'm active and am always called to help. I get my one vote, no more.
Thu May 12, 2016, 07:01 AM
May 2016

I might be at the convention center or hotel for victory/concession speeches. Might even get to an occasional after party but there is no influence or extra votes that's a fantasy.

This influence is bought and that's that. It is wrong and it is certainly undemocratic.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
75. Not even close to irrelevant. That's how the party gets built
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:58 AM
May 2016

That's how you elect (or, if you put enough time in, become) a super delegate.

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
11. Of course I'm aware of who they are
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:54 PM
May 2016

Their votes still shouldn't count more than anyone else's.

One person, one vote. It's not a difficult concept.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
12. Why not? You say that as if it's obvious.
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:31 PM
May 2016
One person, one vote. It's not a difficult concept.

And it makes sense in an election. Are you confusing party primaries with elections?

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
14. A primary election for the Democratic Party
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:38 PM
May 2016

Should be democratic. If it isn't then maybe they should change their name.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
42. Revolving door government is disgusting enough...
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:35 AM
May 2016

...but that these former office holders are now lobbyists for a coal company, for foreign governments, etc., and then get extra power at our convention is anti-democratic and should be forbidden.

Let them get goddamn honest jobs after they hold office! Lobbyists! Peeuu! And if they don't go straight, then they can make the effort to be chosen as ordinary delegates like everybody else. I wouldn't strip them from the Democratic voting rolls like somebody did to 126,000 Democrats in Brooklyn! They can still be Democrats, despite the wretched government practice of the "revolving door." But they can't be lords and ladies of the convention.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
89. Gephardt is the epitome of the problem
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:52 AM
May 2016

The revolving door -- and shifting to getting big bucks to represent the interests he was supposed to be restraining in Congress, and fighting to stop the things he was supposed to be advancing.


That's the Democratic Party leadership these days.

http://www.thenation.com/article/dick-gephardts-spectacular-sellout/

In March, months after the government gave an unprecedented $85 billion to AIG, the insurance giant released a list of counterparties, exposing some of the world’s top financial institutions as the real recipients of the bailout. First among its peers, Goldman Sachs got a whopping $12.9 billion, despite having claimed in September to be insulated from AIG’s troubles. Based on these revelations, Maryland Democratic Congressman Elijah Cummings, who had dogged the financial industry since the crisis began, told his staff to prepare a letter calling for an investigation.

Two Congressional staffers familiar with the matter told The Nation that a draft was circulated to House members on March 23. Within hours, Cummings’s office had received a phone call from a lobbying firm hired by Goldman Sachs, making an “insistent but polite” request for a meeting. Cummings, intending to send the letter regardless, granted the audience, and so it was that top Goldman executives like president Gary Cohn and CFO David Viniar arrived the next day. They brought someone else too, a big-name Democratic politician with serious populist credibility: Dick Gephardt.

While Gephardt spent most of his twenty-eight years in national Democratic politics quietly promoting and voting with establishment interests, he is best known for his friendship with labor and advocacy for universal healthcare during two presidential runs. In 2003 he harshly condemned corporate crime, which he said “ruined people’s lives for selfishness and greed,” and launched his candidacy claiming, “Every proposal I’m making, every idea I’m advancing has a single, central purpose: to revive a failing economy and give working Americans the help and security they need.” So why, six years later, was he on Capitol Hill representing one of the biggest players in the largest economic crisis since the Great Depression? And further, why was he recently working for Visa to kill credit card reform, helping Peabody Energy stymie climate change legislation and consulting for UnitedHealth Group alongside Tom Daschle to block meaningful healthcare reform?..................

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
43. I'm against superdelegates in general and especially lobbyists being superdelegates
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:52 AM
May 2016

Let's stay on topic - there are a lot of problems with lobbyists too, but that's not what this thread is about.

Being a lobbyist is a job. Many of them get paid well for it - they shouldn't also be given extra voting power.

If a lobbyist's job is to get politicians of both parties to vote for the agenda of an insurance company, for example, do you think that as a superdelegate his choice won't be influenced by that? Of course it will, he will choose the candidate who is in favor of the positions he is lobbying for. So if a presidential candidate wants the insurance lobbyist/superdelegate's vote, he might say something like "universal healthcare will never, ever happen". Don't you think that's a conflict?? A lobbying firm gets to hugely influence what they want regardless of will of the voters. The lobbyist should certainly have a vote but the influence of his vote shouldn't be amplified above that of the average person.

I'm really kind of shocked to see anyone defending this. Can you explain to me why you think it's ok for lobbyists to be superdelegates??

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
49. And you're ok with it
Thu May 12, 2016, 07:20 PM
May 2016

He won't choose based on the will of the people. Not for what's best for the country or even what's best for the party but instead will choose for what's best for his pocketbook. "Democracy" sold to the highest bidder.

Eko

(7,851 posts)
50. Naw, thats not what you said.
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:26 PM
May 2016

"he will choose the candidate who is in favor of the positions he is lobbying for. " Not best for his pocketbook, but what the candidates positions are already on. There are lobbyists who represent unions, Sanders is very pro union, those lobbyists would gravitate to him because of his positions. Alphabet Inc is the parent company of Google, they are the top contributor to Sanders, they have 84 lobbyists. Machinists/Aerospace Workers Union is Sanders 3rd biggest contributor, they have 4 lobbyists. I could keep going but I think you get the point. Is Sanders for sale? Is that what you think?

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
52. The lobbyists are given power that regular people aren't given
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:56 PM
May 2016

So whether the lobbyists represent a noble cause like labor or a not so noble cause like Monsanto, their voice is amplified and it will favor whatever they are paid to represent. Why is this so fucking difficult for you to understand? It doesn't matter what Sanders or Clinton think about it - by giving lobbyists "superdelegate" power, they are given more voice than regular people. It isn't the candidates that put them there but the party leadership.



Eko

(7,851 posts)
53. Not true at all.
Thu May 12, 2016, 11:17 PM
May 2016

Lobbyists aren't given power that regular people aren't given, there are regular people who Superdelegates. Why is this so hard to understand? You are just against superdelegates in the first place, it could be ghandi and you would still have the same opinion, you just want to beat up on lobbyists because of that fad now.

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
56. I'm going to try to use small words
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:14 AM
May 2016

Yes I am against superdelegates. I am even more against paid lobbyists being superdelegates. Regular people, let's call them peons, get to cast a regular vote. Superdelegates are people who get to cast a super vote that can equal that of thousands of peons.

For example, Sanders won New Hampshire by a 22% margin (56,857 more peons voted for him than for her) but they ended up with an equal number of delegates. Looking only at the peon vote, he got 15 delegates and she got 9. But all 6 powerful superdelegates said they didn't give a shit how the peons voted and they were going to support Clinton anyway. So Clinton and Sanders will have 15 delegates each. Does it seem democratic that 6 superdelegates should be able to counterbalance 56,857 peons? I don't think it does.

So this illustrates how superdelegates have more power than peons. Now, "lobbyist" is defined as a person who tries to influence legislation on behalf of a special interest. So a lobbyist is not someone who acts in the public interest or even in the interest of the Democratic party but someone who represents a special interest. So by giving lobbyists superdelegate powers, the party is giving extra power to the special interests that the lobbyist represents.

Now let's look at the definition of "democratic". Democratic is defined as: "pertaining to or characterized by the principle of political or social equality for all".

When power rests with a "privileged class" of superdelegates (some of whom represent special interests), then we do not have democratic process. I understand that this is the primary not the general, but the "Democratic Party" should, in my opinion, behave in a democratic way.

I hope you can understand now. I don't think I can explain it in any simpler terms.

Eko

(7,851 posts)
54. So you especially are against lobbyists
Thu May 12, 2016, 11:25 PM
May 2016

being super delegates because they can influence politicians, should someone who actually writes legislation be able to be a super delegate?A judge? God forbid there might even be people who are running for the office of the presidency who are also superdelegates? Should they resign that position, that seems the height of corruption being a superdelegate where you can vote for yourself and your vote counts way more than normal people.

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
57. Someone running for the office of the presidency should definitely not be a superdelegate
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:18 AM
May 2016

You've got it!

Should someone who writes legislation or a judge be a superdelegate? No, because superdelegates should not exist.

Eko

(7,851 posts)
55. What if not only one of the people running for the office of the presidency
Thu May 12, 2016, 11:32 PM
May 2016

is a superdelegate but one of their top advisors in that campaign is a superdelegate.

Eko

(7,851 posts)
59. So are you going
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:23 AM
May 2016

to call on Sanders to renounce his superdelegate status and to make one of his advisors do the same or fire them?

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
60. I'm going to call on Sanders to abolish superdelegates
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:26 AM
May 2016

And yes, I think he and any of his advisors that are superdelegates should step down as should anyone associated with the Clinton campaign. Not that it makes any difference what I say, I'm just a peon.

Eko

(7,851 posts)
61. Cool.
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:34 AM
May 2016

Im glad we agree that Sanders is using such a anti-democratic means to try to win the election and he shouldn't be. How can we trust someone like that to be president?

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
64. Really? Are you going to try that tactic?
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:44 AM
May 2016

If you can't trust Sanders to be president because he's working within the corrupt system of the Democratic Party then it stands to reason that you can't trust Clinton either. In fact, I guess that means you can't vote for any democratic presidential candidate until they clean up the system.

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
69. I know
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:54 AM
May 2016

And I know better than to engage with them but sometimes it just bugs me when something completely idiotic is posted and not refuted. But I'm letting it go...for now anyway.

Eko

(7,851 posts)
74. Please,
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:18 AM
May 2016

dont let it go. Call me what you really want to. Of course it would be so much nicer for you to answer why you support someone who (according to you) is trying to win so undemocratically. Why you think the means to an end justifies acting so against democracy.

Eko

(7,851 posts)
73. No, you dont.
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:15 AM
May 2016

You are welcome to think whatever you want. I really don't freaking care. But to just clear that up, I think we should have Sanders as the president, I think that Clinton would do fine but that Sanders is really what this country needs. I think Clinton is a career politician and her stances shift with the political wind a bit more than I want. Her judgement is really not all that good mainly because she follows the prevailing stance on a lot of issues and she is more mainstream than not because of that. Other than that you can go take a hike. Into the ocean. Maybe grow a spine also and say what you really think.

Eko

(7,851 posts)
71. I'm not the one who thinks this about superdelegates
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:55 AM
May 2016

"A primary election for the Democratic Party Should be democratic. If it isn't then maybe they should change their name." that's you buddy, word for word. You are saying that using super delegates is not democratic. Sanders himself and one of his top advisors are super delegates, he is wanting super delegates to win. He needs them. His whole campaign from here on out is relying on ,according to you, an anti-democratic tactic. How can you support him?

Eko

(7,851 posts)
72. Oh, I know!!!!
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:02 AM
May 2016

Its a necessary evil for him, but only him, not for anyone else. Do you see the absolute hypocrisy that you are pushing? Oh, I used a big word, see, I'm learning. Here is another one,you are a idealogue, a hypocritical idealogue to be precise. What is an idealogue? Its when someone can totally overlook their side from doing the same thing they are calling out the other side for doing.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
17. Sure. Have you looked at the list of what these "evil lobbyists" lobby for?
Wed May 11, 2016, 02:25 AM
May 2016

Steven K. Alari represents public employees in California
Stewart Applebaum lobbies for the Retail Wholesale and Department Store Employees Union
Dennis Archer lobbies for public and green transportation
Phil Bartlett both lobbies and litigates for workers injured on the job
Van Beechler lobbies literally for the Human Rights Campaign as well as a ton of other LGBTQ groups

That's just part-way through the "B's" of the list.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
18. No lobbyist should EVER be involved in candidate selection, period.
Wed May 11, 2016, 03:37 AM
May 2016

No matter the nature of the cause.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
21. Why? You keep just saying stuff like that but not actually arguing for it.
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:11 AM
May 2016

These are people who have spent careers building constituencies and influence on issues they care about, like public transit or gun control or LGBTQ rights, and they use those constituencies and that influence to try to make change for the better.

As a side result, they tend to wind up doing a lot of yoeman work in actually running the Democratic party. Why does the fact that they made the change they care about their career disqualify them from being convention delegates?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
23. And?
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:43 AM
May 2016

What's your actual argument here? You've said "they get paid", which I agree with. You seem to expect it to be obvious that that somehow disqualifies them, but I can't see why.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
24. It certasinly does not disqualify them as voters. It disqualifies them as potential
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:42 AM
May 2016

--overturners of primary and caucus results--which is why superdelegates were introduced in the first place.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
25. And still no "why"?
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:48 AM
May 2016
Why would that disqualify them as unpledged delegates? You keep just saying that and never argue for it.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
28. Because a filmmaker should probably be able to release a documentary about a candidate during an
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:56 AM
May 2016

election, rather than having the FEC shut down his screenings (that was the court's reasoning, at least).

What does the right of filmmakers to show their movies have to do with why somebody who's made a career out of working for the public good shouldn't, in your opinion, be a voting member of the DNC?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
31. That's the same thing. DNC members are unpledged delegates.
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:00 AM
May 2016

The 438 elected members of the national DNC, which includes each of the state parties' chair and vice-chair, are all given a nomination vote. Do you want DNC members to stop having a nomination vote? Or only the ones who are lobbyists? Are you just saying you want to end the super delegate system?

eridani

(51,907 posts)
32. The purpost of superdelegates is to override the popular vote
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:05 AM
May 2016

Bad enough as it is, but paid influencers shouldn't be allowed. After all, the first post-superdelegate nominee was the establishment-approved Mondale, and he got creamed.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
33. Why shouldn't people who are paid to push for political change be allowed?
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:07 AM
May 2016

Again, a dozen replies and you've never actually stated what principle you're making that claim on. Why should Van Beechler of Idaho, who has lobbied for the HRC and several other LGBT groups as part of a lifetime of LGBT advocacy, not be allowed to vote as a DNC member for the Presidential nomination?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
37. Umm... OK. Any other professions you would exclude?
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:14 AM
May 2016

Or just the one that tends to attract the sort of people who care the most about making government work better for people? I know a lot of very liberal lobbyists. I find this whole thread kind of weird.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
39. Weird. OK, though, that's how you feel
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:17 AM
May 2016

Start working with your local party chapter to change your state party's rules, then.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
62. I think you missed the point.
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:41 AM
May 2016

My vote should be equal to theirs. But it's not. We have a plutocracy.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
77. Why should your vote be equal to theirs? They literally do the work of the party
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:17 AM
May 2016

These are the people who actually make the party run.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
6. Like the banks, "fraud as a business model".
Tue May 10, 2016, 07:37 AM
May 2016

We've got institutionalized fraud everywhere we look, but there's nothing to worry about. It's all a nothingburger. It's a lot like that movie, "Alien", with the mama alien and all the lesser ones running around...

And that Dem President honoring Kissinger thing, that didn't indicate anything either. I'm sure the next war we're in will have nothing to do with it... him... them.

Candidates above the law? Not a problem. We Dems have it all under control, so we're told. Pay-to-play in the State Department? I can't hear you. Didn't they used to call that graft in the olden days?

Voting irregularities? That's just an artful smear.

But we're out there "fighting for YOU" every day! So it's all good!!!!!

Yay!

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
7. My neighborhood has a lobbyist, he helped sort through Gov. grants & we got a new road.
Tue May 10, 2016, 07:50 AM
May 2016

I think it was Obama who upgraded 'lobbyists' registration system and named on the visitors list every time they met-up with Gov. officials.

Republicans have Justice Thomas's wife as a Delegate. I guess she 'lobbies' for 'free gov. money' for the 'republican charities' she manages?

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
70. Here's a perfect example of the dumbing down of America.
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:55 AM
May 2016

Your neighborhood got a new road because of a "lobbyist".

Did someone own the land the road was built on and lose said land through Eminent Domain? Or did a local activist get a road repaved?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
76. several million dollars of stimulus money, couple years of road projects/plans and 'jobs'.
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:03 AM
May 2016

Two lanes wider existing road, expand storm drainage system, sidewalks, paid all home owners used EDomain .

Expanded into more road upgrades for cross streets, wider with storm drainage, sidewalks, more 'jobs'. Increased home values, more traffic passing through, local businesses increased income, safer walk to school for kids with sidewalks, less 'climate change' flooding with storm drains.

Thanks Obama for stimulus, thanks lobbyist for helping us, you were worth hiring.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
79. Ask Hillary.
Fri May 13, 2016, 04:57 AM
May 2016

Dozens of the 437 delegates in the DNC member category are registered federal and state lobbyists, according to an ABC News analysis.

Vinca

(50,484 posts)
46. So it's really the "Democratic" Party.
Thu May 12, 2016, 07:26 AM
May 2016

And it's business as usual. Rich get richer. Poor get screwed.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
88. Best Democracy Money Can Buy
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:37 AM
May 2016

The individuals and organizations they represent hired the DJ, so they get to determine the playlist.

Thank you for an outstanding OP and thread, eridani.

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